Anti-Israelism/Judaism....,A "normal" state of thing´s....? ( Archived) (914)

Feb 22, 2011 6:05 PM CST Anti-Israelism/Judaism....,A "normal" state of thing´s....?
emmaline
emmalineemmalineatlanta, Georgia USA6 Threads 1,685 Posts
Wow_Factor: What do you mean?


an apartheid state
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Feb 22, 2011 6:08 PM CST Anti-Israelism/Judaism....,A "normal" state of thing´s....?
Wow_Factor
Wow_FactorWow_FactorLondon, Greater London, England UK45 Threads 3,698 Posts
emmaline: an apartheid state


Well I will ask the question - (hope I get an answer but I won't hold my breath).

How is Israel an apartheid state?
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Feb 22, 2011 6:10 PM CST Anti-Israelism/Judaism....,A "normal" state of thing´s....?
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
patmac: truth (true??)

— n
1. the quality of being true, genuine, actual, or factual: the truth of his statement was attested
2. something that is true as opposed to false: you did not tell me the truth
3. a proven or verified principle or statement; fact: the truths of astronomy
4. ( usually plural ) a system of concepts purporting to represent some aspect of the world: the truths of ancient religions
5. fidelity to a required standard or law
6. faithful reproduction or portrayal: the truth of a portrait
7. an obvious fact; truism; platitude
8. honesty, reliability, or veracity: the truth of her nature
9. accuracy, as in the setting, adjustment, or position of something, such as a mechanical instrument
10. the state or quality of being faithful; allegiance

Never sure of what she is saying but the above is TRUE.


Statement number 5 renders all the others potentially false, depending upon what the law says or what G-D allegedly said..
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Feb 22, 2011 6:11 PM CST Anti-Israelism/Judaism....,A "normal" state of thing´s....?
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
Paldi5:
It's becoming more OK to be critical and to question that so called "special relationship" America has had with Israel.
Is that a bad thing?



No it's a good thing.
A step in the right direction.
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Feb 22, 2011 6:14 PM CST Anti-Israelism/Judaism....,A "normal" state of thing´s....?
emmaline
emmalineemmalineatlanta, Georgia USA6 Threads 1,685 Posts
emmaline: an apartheid state


In 1973 the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid (ICSPCA) was adopted by the United Nations General Assembly. The ICSPCA defines the crime of apartheid as "inhuman acts committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group ... over another racial group ... and systematically oppressing them." In 2002 the crime of apartheid was further defined by Article 7 of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court as encompassing inhumane acts such as torture, murder, forcible transfer, imprisonment, or persecution of an identifiable group on political, racial, national, ethnic, cultural, religious, or other grounds, "committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime."
In a 2007 report, United Nations Special Rapporteur for Palestine John Dugard stated that "elements of the Israeli occupation constitute forms of colonialism and of apartheid, which are contrary to international law" and suggested that the "legal consequences of a prolonged occupation with features of colonialism and apartheid" be put to the International Court of Justice. South Africa's statutory research agency the Human Sciences Research Council (HSRC) stated in a 2009 report that "the State of Israel exercises control in the [Occupied Palestinian Territories] with the purpose of maintaining a system of domination by Jews over Palestinians and that this system constitutes a breach of the prohibition of apartheid." In 2010 United Nations Special Rapporteur for Palestine Richard A. Falk reported that criminal apartheid features of the Israeli occupation had been entrenched in the three years since the report of his predecessor, John Dugard.

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Feb 22, 2011 6:14 PM CST Anti-Israelism/Judaism....,A "normal" state of thing´s....?
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
Wow_Factor: Well I will ask the question - (hope I get an answer but I won't hold my breath).

How is Israel an apartheid state?




I'm going out for my Tuesday night piano bar and pub meetup with some friends. No time to post a lot of stuff, but the point is it's not only Emmaline and a few other posters here that disagree with you on that.

Peace,

Fred
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Feb 22, 2011 6:16 PM CST Anti-Israelism/Judaism....,A "normal" state of thing´s....?
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
(I didn't want you to turn blue from breatholding Wow :)
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Feb 22, 2011 6:17 PM CST Anti-Israelism/Judaism....,A "normal" state of thing´s....?
Wow_Factor
Wow_FactorWow_FactorLondon, Greater London, England UK45 Threads 3,698 Posts
Paldi5: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Apartheid_Week

I'm going out for my Tuesday night piano bar and pub meetup with some friends. No time to post a lot of stuff, but the point is it's not only Emmaline and a few other posters here that disagree with you on that.

Peace,

Fred


It would be great to be informed of their proof. I really want to know. Bed-time now - when I log in in 7 hours I hope to be reliably informed of Israel being an apartheid state.
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Feb 22, 2011 6:18 PM CST Anti-Israelism/Judaism....,A "normal" state of thing´s....?
Wow_Factor
Wow_FactorWow_FactorLondon, Greater London, England UK45 Threads 3,698 Posts
Paldi5: (I didn't want you to turn blue from breatholding Wow :)


rolling on the floor laughing Don't worry - I don't really hold my breath. I know these people can't come up with true proof of their ridiculous claims against Israel.
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Feb 22, 2011 6:20 PM CST Anti-Israelism/Judaism....,A "normal" state of thing´s....?
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
Wow_Factor: Well I will ask the question - (hope I get an answer but I won't hold my breath).

How is Israel an apartheid state?


Apartheid was an Afrikaner word and it literally means "apartness".

Broadly speaking, an Apartheid state is one that seeks to physically separate minority ethnic groups living within its borders and under its authority from the majority population, and which applies a different set of laws and rights to each group.

Israel is very clearly an Apartheid state, every bit as much as South Africa ever was.
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Feb 22, 2011 6:22 PM CST Anti-Israelism/Judaism....,A "normal" state of thing´s....?
Actractorguy
ActractorguyActractorguyTims Ford Lake, Tennessee USA26 Threads 7 Polls 2,089 Posts
Wow_Factor: Don't worry - I don't really hold my breath. I know these people can't come up with true proof of their ridiculous claims against Israel.


I see the proof on tv every episode of NCIS. rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Feb 22, 2011 6:23 PM CST Anti-Israelism/Judaism....,A "normal" state of thing´s....?
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
RayfromUSA: Apartheid was an Afrikaner word and it literally means "apartness".

Broadly speaking, an Apartheid state is one that seeks to physically separate minority ethnic groups living within its borders and under its authority from the majority population, and which applies a different set of laws and rights to each group.

Israel is very clearly an Apartheid state, every bit as much as South Africa ever was.


Used Ray by the USA .......long before South Africa, and the Israeli answer is in the same Link see my post earlier.

grin cheers
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Feb 22, 2011 6:24 PM CST Anti-Israelism/Judaism....,A "normal" state of thing´s....?
Wow_Factor
Wow_FactorWow_FactorLondon, Greater London, England UK45 Threads 3,698 Posts
RayfromUSA: Apartheid was an Afrikaner word and it literally means "apartness".

Broadly speaking, an Apartheid state is one that seeks to physically separate minority ethnic groups living within its borders and under its authority from the majority population, and which applies a different set of laws and rights to each group.

Israel is very clearly an Apartheid state, every bit as much as South Africa ever was.


No, you are wrong. You must be confusing those living under PA rule to Israeli rule. As I said, show me proof that Israel is an apartheid state.
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Feb 22, 2011 6:25 PM CST Anti-Israelism/Judaism....,A "normal" state of thing´s....?
Wow_Factor
Wow_FactorWow_FactorLondon, Greater London, England UK45 Threads 3,698 Posts
Actractorguy: I see the proof on tv every episode of NCIS.


I don't know what NCIS is. Is it a soap?
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Feb 22, 2011 6:25 PM CST Anti-Israelism/Judaism....,A "normal" state of thing´s....?
emmaline
emmalineemmalineatlanta, Georgia USA6 Threads 1,685 Posts
Wow_Factor: Well I will ask the question - (hope I get an answer but I won't hold my breath).

How is Israel an apartheid state?


land, marriages, births, movement

please i say this not as an emotive argument, by defined by laws against palestinian peoples
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Feb 22, 2011 6:26 PM CST Anti-Israelism/Judaism....,A "normal" state of thing´s....?
Actractorguy
ActractorguyActractorguyTims Ford Lake, Tennessee USA26 Threads 7 Polls 2,089 Posts
Wow_Factor: I don't know what NCIS is. Is it a soap?


Nope here you go.
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Feb 22, 2011 6:28 PM CST Anti-Israelism/Judaism....,A "normal" state of thing´s....?
Wow_Factor
Wow_FactorWow_FactorLondon, Greater London, England UK45 Threads 3,698 Posts
emmaline: land, marriages, births, movement

please i say this not as an emotive argument, by defined by laws against palestinian peoples


I need more information please. You mentioned you are a Jew so if you want to prove to another one that Israel practices apartheid, I need to know EXACTLY what you mean. Proof rather than hatch, match and dispatch.
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Feb 22, 2011 6:29 PM CST Anti-Israelism/Judaism....,A "normal" state of thing´s....?
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
Actractorguy: Nope here you go.


And just how does Jethro get that boat out of his basement ??

grin cheers
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Feb 22, 2011 6:29 PM CST Anti-Israelism/Judaism....,A "normal" state of thing´s....?
Wow_Factor
Wow_FactorWow_FactorLondon, Greater London, England UK45 Threads 3,698 Posts
emmaline: of course their are opponents to the analogy.

so your saying palestinians have exactly the same rights as jews?


Under Jewish control yes. Under PA control no.
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Feb 22, 2011 6:30 PM CST Anti-Israelism/Judaism....,A "normal" state of thing´s....?
Actractorguy
ActractorguyActractorguyTims Ford Lake, Tennessee USA26 Threads 7 Polls 2,089 Posts
patmac: And just how does Jethro get that boat out of his basement ??


I don't know. But we'll find out one of these days. cheers rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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