Understanding The True Nature Of Politics And Its Finality (852)
gininitaly: Wellll... how about... we clean everybody out of Washington, return to the constitution as written, give a set amount of money to those wanting political office depending on how high and a certain measured media time, eliminate lobbyists and at the first whiff of any payola... out they go?
Bloodless but effective.
Bloodless but effective.
Sounds wonderful Gin..care to tell us just how you go about it?
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gininitaly: Mornin' P.
Ok... so everbody wants to be a success... and a few become successful which is measured by money, the money makes them greedier for more (even tho they have more than they could spend), so lets see... a group of the same find each other so they can pool their advantage and manipulate the money and makes it possible to buy governments to make it easier to make more money, so then the control of the governments makes them exponentially more powerful.. and even greedier until they eat everything all up.... have I got it?
And after that?
Ok... so everbody wants to be a success... and a few become successful which is measured by money, the money makes them greedier for more (even tho they have more than they could spend), so lets see... a group of the same find each other so they can pool their advantage and manipulate the money and makes it possible to buy governments to make it easier to make more money, so then the control of the governments makes them exponentially more powerful.. and even greedier until they eat everything all up.... have I got it?
And after that?
The 2nd coming?
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emmaline: lobotomizing is not essential to brainwash people.
look at china. they are generally a very happy peoples.
look at china. they are generally a very happy peoples.
Ummmmm...I think perhaps you assume too much...lobotomizing would be essential in most cases would be my guess...just a guess Em....
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Conrad73: Or starve them into submission.
Joe StalinSo what is new?
Joe StalinSo what is new?
Ok Con, so give us your idea of a perfect world.
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Conrad73: Or starve them into submission.
Joe StalinSo what is new?
Joe StalinSo what is new?
i know conrad. just makin a point here. anyway to get them to submit uh.
someone gave me an analogy of obesity/take away food.
it is much easier to keep telling us how we, as good citizens have to do more to watch our wieght, than get the companies to make their products safer.
why? because it is easier to lay it on 'personal responsibility', than have to deal with multi national takeaway food franchises who pay lobbyists and bankroll politicians to get them to act responsible and modify their products to make them healthier
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Albertaghost: As I said;
"I don't think anybody was vilifying the messenger or the message"
"I don't think anybody was vilifying the messenger or the message"
"Albertaghost (First post!) says,..How come every conspiracy theorist can only post you tube stuff. Don't their sources know how to read, write, post studies and facts along with explanations or is this just something where people who still live in their mothers basements patch some vids together and let fly?"
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Paldi5: The 2nd coming?
Wasn't following your toons scenario, just thinking out loud.
But whatever... nothing much but token BS gets scattered around here anyway.. I'm still waiting to hear Cons version of a perfect world.
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gininitaly: Ok Con, so give us your idea of a perfect world.
Laissez nous faire!Stay away from me with all those "For The Greater Good" Shellgames!
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emmaline: i know conrad. just makin a point here. anyway to get them to submit uh.
someone gave me an analogy of obesity/take away food.
it is much easier to keep telling us how we, as good citizens have to do more to watch our wieght, than get the companies to make their products safer.
why? because it is easier to lay it on 'personal responsibility', than have to deal with multi national takeaway food franchises who pay lobbyists and bankroll politicians to get them to act responsible and modify their products to make them healthier
someone gave me an analogy of obesity/take away food.
it is much easier to keep telling us how we, as good citizens have to do more to watch our wieght, than get the companies to make their products safer.
why? because it is easier to lay it on 'personal responsibility', than have to deal with multi national takeaway food franchises who pay lobbyists and bankroll politicians to get them to act responsible and modify their products to make them healthier
May I ask a question Em?....In your opinion, is there anything other than money that corrupts?
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jjwinner: since i am not here long anyway, that is most blockheaded thing i have read, how many are getting locked up and killed for speaking out, oh but the people at the Chinese restaurant always smiling
With words like that you might not be here long.
I think you missed her point entirely which was (I think) that the Chinease people being controlled by their government and don't dare speak out against it. The worry is that the hidden powers of evil or whatever you want to call them (if indeed they exest) want to have the same control everywhere in the world. (Even in America.)
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gininitaly: Wasn't following your toons scenario, just thinking out loud.
But whatever... nothing much but token BS gets scattered around here anyway.. I'm still waiting to hear Cons version of a perfect world.
Haven't heard you all's yet!But whatever... nothing much but token BS gets scattered around here anyway.. I'm still waiting to hear Cons version of a perfect world.
All I seen is SOS!
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gininitaly: Wellll... how about... we clean everybody out of Washington, return to the constitution as written, give a set amount of money to those wanting political office depending on how high and a certain measured media time, eliminate lobbyists and at the first whiff of any payola... out they go?
Bloodless but effective.
Bloodless but effective.
HOW? whose going to allow you to step forward and force this change?
are you going to put it to a vote?
The people haven't the will to change, The powers that be ensured this through their systematic enforcement policies.
what voice shall free the people?
logically the only way to free up the system is to eradicate the hidden problems within, and before you even know it the pressure subsides and you can see the light on the other side of the tunnel instead of the oppressing side of the funnel
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Paldi5: With words like that you might not be here long.
I think you missed her point entirely which was (I think) that the Chinease people being controlled by their government and don't dare speak out against it. The worry is that the hidden powers of evil or whatever you want to call them (if indeed they exest) want to have the same control everywhere in the world. (Even in America.)
He is never here long!I think you missed her point entirely which was (I think) that the Chinease people being controlled by their government and don't dare speak out against it. The worry is that the hidden powers of evil or whatever you want to call them (if indeed they exest) want to have the same control everywhere in the world. (Even in America.)
The Mods have an Immense dislike for him,regardless in which Incarnation he shows up!
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gininitaly: Indeed I do believe that change happens, faster now than ever... but your arguments pretty much say what counts is the details and this IS the acceptable status quo??? Not the intent and direction of where we are NOW? Not the reality of the situation or knowledge or information or education or even.... having the facts so people can make honest decisions?
I guess I'm just naive enough to think change can happen for good reasons as well as bad ones... and that we are at a major global shift as to what is 'normal' as we've known it since the industrial age. That it's important to take a position one way or another, because it matters to have a code of conduct and a belief system that you can live with... instead of just living as an observer chuckling at the convolutions of the ignorant masses.
JMHO
I guess I'm just naive enough to think change can happen for good reasons as well as bad ones... and that we are at a major global shift as to what is 'normal' as we've known it since the industrial age. That it's important to take a position one way or another, because it matters to have a code of conduct and a belief system that you can live with... instead of just living as an observer chuckling at the convolutions of the ignorant masses.
JMHO
I certainly agree Gin however, as I stated, change is going to occur, there will be factions or parties that will control so, to suddenly come out and point a finger at some group, real or imaginary and state they are controlling is ludicrous as there will always be some group or faction in greater control than another.
As the OP said;
"The message is deny ignorance and be aware that all political parties are one in the same, no matter which way you want to slice the deck. the agenda will always play out as it was originally planned by the real powers that be, beyond any ones control."
THE REAL POWERS THAT BE.
The ones that don't agree with one another, have different agendas, vote against each other in the UN, differ on what wars they support if any. Seems if they were working together they would at least be able to sit down and concur with one another on some issues.------ This thread is Archived ------
gininitaly: Ok Con, so give us your idea of a perfect world.
This I gotta here.------ This thread is Archived ------
Conrad73: Laissez nous faire!Stay away from me with all those "For The Greater Good" Shellgames!
For those who don't speak french that means "Let US take care of it."
Well you have been dear.
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SilverBirch: This I gotta here.
Feeling anymore secure SB?
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Conrad73: Laissez nous faire!Stay away from me with all those "For The Greater Good" Shellgames!
SHELLGAMES! Stealing MY material Conrad!------ This thread is Archived ------
SilverBirch: "Albertaghost (First post!) says,..How come every conspiracy theorist can only post you tube stuff. Don't their sources know how to read, write, post studies and facts along with explanations or is this just something where people who still live in their mothers basements patch some vids together and let fly?"
Indeed. Sort of the same thing I wonder of you when you post page long entire book excerpts with no indication as to what portion we are to read or what it is you are trying to say.
It's always the same, I read it a bit then ask you a qu3estion and you spend the entire remainder of the thread avoiding answering the questions.
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Well thx SB