The Crucifixion....Fact Or Fiction? (64)
AtwoZ: Easter´s here,and time to celebrate and remember,-and we´re all familiar with the reason for it...But that very reason,can it be questioned and looked at from a different way than we´re taught..........We´ll never find out,just food for thought......
It is a matter of faith but what I find important is what do we do with that faith.
Each year Catholics celebrate lent and the "resurrección" of Christ but what do we do different in a positive way?
Mostly nothing relevant.
Happy Easter for you.
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lifeisadream: It is a matter of faith but what I find important is what do we do with that faith.
Each year Catholics celebrate lent and the "resurrección" of Christ but what do we do different in a positive way?
Mostly nothing relevant.
Happy Easter for you.
Thank´s..and same to you.....Each year Catholics celebrate lent and the "resurrección" of Christ but what do we do different in a positive way?
Mostly nothing relevant.
Happy Easter for you.
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The Crucifixion....Fact Or Fiction?
Both! It was a means of torturing someone to death. I guess people back then felt it wasn't enough to simply kill a criminal rather he/she had to pay for the crime with more than their life.
Was Jesus crucified? No!
How can you crucify someone who never even existed? So this is the fictional part of the story.
Both! It was a means of torturing someone to death. I guess people back then felt it wasn't enough to simply kill a criminal rather he/she had to pay for the crime with more than their life.
Was Jesus crucified? No!
How can you crucify someone who never even existed? So this is the fictional part of the story.
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ooby_dooby: The Crucifixion....Fact Or Fiction?
Both! It was a means of torturing someone to death. I guess people back then felt it wasn't enough to simply kill a criminal rather he/she had to pay for the crime with more than their life.
Was Jesus crucified? No!
How can you crucify someone who never even existed? So this is the fictional part of the story.
Both! It was a means of torturing someone to death. I guess people back then felt it wasn't enough to simply kill a criminal rather he/she had to pay for the crime with more than their life.
Was Jesus crucified? No!
How can you crucify someone who never even existed? So this is the fictional part of the story.
Happy Easter to you too.
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AtwoZ: Easter´s here,and time to celebrate and remember,-and we´re all familiar with the reason for it...But that very reason,can it be questioned and looked at from a different way than we´re taught..
In my opinion,many thing´s aren´t what they seem,and it has kept my mind busy,-looking "behind",so to speak...
Translating from Swedish,so excuse me,if the words may seem incorrect or confusing,but I´ll do my best....."And they crucified him on the 3d hour.....
...and by the 9th hour,Jesus calls with a high voice,"Eloi,Eloi,-lema sabachtani"....with a high voice,Jesus stops breathing.... May be he was in a coma (very shallow breathing)
6 hrs!When,according to scientists and ancient scripts,-the "normal" time for someone crucified would last for days...,as that was the purpose,-to suffer as much as possible.
According to Markus,-he makes it completely clear,that even Pontius Pilatus was surprised,that Jesus "already had died"...
Johannes tells us about the soldier who put his spear in Jesus side,and because of this,-it "opened up",and caused loss of blood&water...Quite odd,-since there couldn´t be so much blood coming out,after all,-heart had stopped pumping...
If he was in a coma, there would still be bleedingOriginal Greek word,-"Enuxen",-for this very thing,can be explained that Jesus received a "stick",-not "opened up"...
Johannes tells us more:"Josef(Arimataia),-took down the body and Nikodemus also got there"To do what?
Bringing along myrrh and aloe,in great quantaties,-as a matter of fact,-a mixture of it...
But why?
Egyptians used while embalm,but Jews didn´t do that..But,-myrrh and aloe where wellknown for it´s healing capacity in the ancient world,-to treat wounds and infections,and to repair damaged tissues...
But why treat a dead man´s tissues?
But they´re weren´t the only one´s,-Maria of Magdala and Maria,"Jakobs mother",-bought spices and oil,to smear on Jesus,-even though he was buried!
Or was he dead&buried?
We also get to know,that Jesus was wrapped in linen bandage,-and again,this wasn´t common in the Jewish funeral rituals,so why Jesus?
Johannes also makes a point,when he wtites,that:"He saw the bandages in there,(cave,tomb),-as well as the linen cloth that had covered his head,but they didn´t lie at the same place"....
Irrelevant maybe,but maybe not...
Could it be,-that the reason for this is simple,-Jesus was wrapped up in linen bandage and myrrh&aloe,-but he´s head was "left free",-so he could breathe?
Just small details,and of course,there´s much more to this,-but it would take to much time to write down everything...
My point is,-doesn´t it seem strange,-the fast death,no knees smashed while crucified,capable of talking and shouting seconds before dying....We´ll never find out,just food for thought......
In my opinion,many thing´s aren´t what they seem,and it has kept my mind busy,-looking "behind",so to speak...
Translating from Swedish,so excuse me,if the words may seem incorrect or confusing,but I´ll do my best....."And they crucified him on the 3d hour.....
...and by the 9th hour,Jesus calls with a high voice,"Eloi,Eloi,-lema sabachtani"....with a high voice,Jesus stops breathing.... May be he was in a coma (very shallow breathing)
6 hrs!When,according to scientists and ancient scripts,-the "normal" time for someone crucified would last for days...,as that was the purpose,-to suffer as much as possible.
According to Markus,-he makes it completely clear,that even Pontius Pilatus was surprised,that Jesus "already had died"...
Johannes tells us about the soldier who put his spear in Jesus side,and because of this,-it "opened up",and caused loss of blood&water...Quite odd,-since there couldn´t be so much blood coming out,after all,-heart had stopped pumping...
If he was in a coma, there would still be bleedingOriginal Greek word,-"Enuxen",-for this very thing,can be explained that Jesus received a "stick",-not "opened up"...
Johannes tells us more:"Josef(Arimataia),-took down the body and Nikodemus also got there"To do what?
Bringing along myrrh and aloe,in great quantaties,-as a matter of fact,-a mixture of it...
But why?
Egyptians used while embalm,but Jews didn´t do that..But,-myrrh and aloe where wellknown for it´s healing capacity in the ancient world,-to treat wounds and infections,and to repair damaged tissues...
But why treat a dead man´s tissues?
But they´re weren´t the only one´s,-Maria of Magdala and Maria,"Jakobs mother",-bought spices and oil,to smear on Jesus,-even though he was buried!
Or was he dead&buried?
We also get to know,that Jesus was wrapped in linen bandage,-and again,this wasn´t common in the Jewish funeral rituals,so why Jesus?
Johannes also makes a point,when he wtites,that:"He saw the bandages in there,(cave,tomb),-as well as the linen cloth that had covered his head,but they didn´t lie at the same place"....
Irrelevant maybe,but maybe not...
Could it be,-that the reason for this is simple,-Jesus was wrapped up in linen bandage and myrrh&aloe,-but he´s head was "left free",-so he could breathe?
Just small details,and of course,there´s much more to this,-but it would take to much time to write down everything...
My point is,-doesn´t it seem strange,-the fast death,no knees smashed while crucified,capable of talking and shouting seconds before dying....We´ll never find out,just food for thought......
May be THEY all knew he'd only passed out instead of dying. It would explain WHY the healing herbs and bandages etc...
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EagleWoman: May be THEY all knew he'd only passed out instead of dying. It would explain WHY the healing herbs and bandages etc.te]May be THEY all knew he'd only passed out instead of dying. It would explain WHY the healing herbs and bandages etc...
Exactly,that´s my point....Did Jesus really die?So much is uncertain,and I could raise many more questions...
Was Jesus in fact a Roman citizen?Was he´s father a highranked Roman officer?And much more.....
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There has always been much mystery. Too many things dont add up. Together with the fact that events were recorded long after they happened, by uneducated, basically illiterate people. Also take into consideration, how many times the bible has been rewritten, edited and entire books disgarded for political purposes. Your left with a muddled mess 
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venusenvy: There has always been much mystery. Too many things dont add up. Together with the fact that events were recorded long after they happened, by uneducated, basically illiterate people. Also take into consideration, how many times the bible has been rewritten, edited and entire books disgarded for political purposes. Your left with a muddled mess
Yes VE....and scrapping on the surface,leads to alot of questions...Too many to mention here,but you´re right...There´s reasons for everything.....
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Maybe some folk had a panic about actually bumping off someone who might be the son of god and cut him down at the earliest opportunity.
Perhaps the resurrection was the most cunning and opportunistic "my dog ate my homework" story ever.
Perhaps the resurrection was the most cunning and opportunistic "my dog ate my homework" story ever.
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jac379: Maybe some folk had a panic about actually bumping off someone who might be the son of god and cut him down at the earliest opportunity.
Perhaps the resurrection was the most cunning and opportunistic "my dog ate my homework" story ever.
Perhaps the resurrection was the most cunning and opportunistic "my dog ate my homework" story ever.
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Nail them up !!
Nail some sense into them !!
Monty Python's Life Of Brian !!
Nail some sense into them !!
Monty Python's Life Of Brian !!
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Why was he given bitter herbs when he asked for water? Was it something that " put him out " so that it seemed he died ?
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Wether he lived or not, or wether he did all the things atributed to him realy is not important . The message that he was sending is a social as well as a religious one . The christianity or the Jesus we hear and read about was actually fomulated in the third century ( A D ) . You also don't have to believe in any of the divinity to be a good christian . This is something that got lost in transltion many centries ago . Who he realy was ( if ever ) isn't important. What he said about how we treat each other is important . Yes I know this type of thinking doesn't make billions, or start wars, or controle peoples hears and minds, but then again maby I'm just a true christian . . . . .
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does it matter?They killed the guy more then 2000 years ago?
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Sorry, I meant sour wine, not bitter herbs. Will sour wine quench thirst ?
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ooby_dooby: The Crucifixion....Fact Or Fiction?
Both! It was a means of torturing someone to death. I guess people back then felt it wasn't enough to simply kill a criminal rather he/she had to pay for the crime with more than their life.
Was Jesus crucified? No!
How can you crucify someone who never even existed? So this is the fictional part of the story.
Both! It was a means of torturing someone to death. I guess people back then felt it wasn't enough to simply kill a criminal rather he/she had to pay for the crime with more than their life.
Was Jesus crucified? No!
How can you crucify someone who never even existed? So this is the fictional part of the story.
What he said.
Thanks saved me typing it.
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Frankinstien: Wether he lived or not, or wether he did all the things atributed to him realy is not important . The message that he was sending is a social as well as a religious one . The christianity or the Jesus we hear and read about was actually fomulated in the third century ( A D ) . You also don't have to believe in any of the divinity to be a good christian . This is something that got lost in transltion many centries ago . Who he realy was ( if ever ) isn't important. What he said about how we treat each other is important . Yes I know this type of thinking doesn't make billions, or start wars, or controle peoples hears and minds, but then again maby I'm just a true christian . . . . .
You hit the nail on the head, its not so much the messenger but the message and whether it is lived out by us that counts
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Most people are now, I believe aware, that christian holidays, ie Christmas, Easter, even Halloween etc are in fact derived from pagan origins.
When the Romans conquered, they did not take kindly to pagan beliefs.
Very cleverly, rather than just waltz in and totally change everything they sought to amalgamate the two beliefs..therefore the winter solstice celebration became Christmas..Im breaking it down into real basics here.........look at the origins of mistletoe and holly.
Likewise, Easter was another pagan festival, that given due credence was adopted into a "christian" theme.
It occurs near the equinox and the name is derived from the pagan goddess Eostre..
So not wanting to shatter anyones belief in the bible...look a little bit further back!
When the Romans conquered, they did not take kindly to pagan beliefs.
Very cleverly, rather than just waltz in and totally change everything they sought to amalgamate the two beliefs..therefore the winter solstice celebration became Christmas..Im breaking it down into real basics here.........look at the origins of mistletoe and holly.
Likewise, Easter was another pagan festival, that given due credence was adopted into a "christian" theme.
It occurs near the equinox and the name is derived from the pagan goddess Eostre..
So not wanting to shatter anyones belief in the bible...look a little bit further back!
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On the 3th day he rised from the dead and walked out of the cave, and if he see's his shadow we have 3 more weeks of winter.
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In my opinion,many thing´s aren´t what they seem,and it has kept my mind busy,-looking "behind",so to speak...
Translating from Swedish,so excuse me,if the words may seem incorrect or confusing,but I´ll do my best.....
"And they crucified him on the 3d hour.....
...and by the 9th hour,Jesus calls with a high voice,"Eloi,Eloi,-lema sabachtani"....with a high voice,Jesus stops breathing....
6 hrs!When,according to scientists and ancient scripts,-the "normal" time for someone crucified would last for days...,as that was the purpose,-to suffer as much as possible.
According to Markus,-he makes it completely clear,that even Pontius Pilatus was surprised,that Jesus "already had died"...
Johannes tells us about the soldier who put his spear in Jesus side,and because of this,-it "opened up",and caused loss of blood&water...Quite odd,-since there couldn´t be so much blood coming out,after all,-heart had stopped pumping...
Original Greek word,-"Enuxen",-for this very thing,can be explained that Jesus received a "stick",-not "opened up"...
Johannes tells us more:"Josef(Arimataia),-took down the body and Nikodemus also got there"To do what?
Bringing along myrrh and aloe,in great quantaties,-as a matter of fact,-a mixture of it...
But why?
Egyptians used while embalm,but Jews didn´t do that..But,-myrrh and aloe where wellknown for it´s healing capacity in the ancient world,-to treat wounds and infections,and to repair damaged tissues...
But why treat a dead man´s tissues?
But they´re weren´t the only one´s,-Maria of Magdala and Maria,"Jakobs mother",-bought spices and oil,to smear on Jesus,-even though he was buried!
Or was he dead&buried?
We also get to know,that Jesus was wrapped in linen bandage,-and again,this wasn´t common in the Jewish funeral rituals,so why Jesus?
Johannes also makes a point,when he wtites,that:"He saw the bandages in there,(cave,tomb),-as well as the linen cloth that had covered his head,but they didn´t lie at the same place"....
Irrelevant maybe,but maybe not...
Could it be,-that the reason for this is simple,-Jesus was wrapped up in linen bandage and myrrh&aloe,-but he´s head was "left free",-so he could breathe?
Just small details,and of course,there´s much more to this,-but it would take to much time to write down everything...
My point is,-doesn´t it seem strange,-the fast death,no knees smashed while crucified,capable of talking and shouting seconds before dying....
We´ll never find out,just food for thought......