Poll On Instate Tuition For Illegal Immigrants (74)
mustbnutz: I refer to those folks as "line jumpers"......Did you ever stand in line to buy a ticket for an event and witness someone going to the front of the line without waiting....and even worse than that they did not pay after they jumped the line.....That really pisses me off....
Exactly, must, and a good analogy.
I dont care if they let Minnie Mouse be the head of the CIA, or Olive Oil the First Lady, as long as they make one rule for all. As long as a law is active if should be followed. At the moment, there seems to be one rule for one and one for others.
Only the other day, I heard of an ENGLISH person being caught trying to cross the border into the US over the St. Lawrence; they were deported immediately. Makes no difference to me what nationality they are - illegals are illegals, and if me and mine have to suffer financially and emotionally in order for me to not have to spend the rest of my live looking over my shoulder, then so be it.
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It's all part of that wonderful "redistribution of wealth" that Obama brags about. US wealth (what little there is left) is being redistributed to the illegal aliens.
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tampa1: It's pretty simple. Right is right and wrong is wrong.
Where you been?
That sort of thinking is obsolete now.
Nowadays right is wrong.
Anything right requires wrongification.
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RayfromUSA: Where you been?
That sort of thinking is obsolete now.
Nowadays right is wrong.
Anything right requires wrongification.
gray areas now.That sort of thinking is obsolete now.
Nowadays right is wrong.
Anything right requires wrongification.
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freesparrow: So illegals ARE actually paying the school taxes, unless they are homeless.
I'm from Texas myself and I can state that many illegals don't pay any taxes because they are housed in sheds, trailers, spare rooms, etc etc. They often don't have the money to afford renting a place and there is a whole parallel economy around housing the illegals.
Some neighbors of mine in rural Central Texas were harboring about twenty illegals, charging them rent to live in sheds without electricity, without heating and without toilets.
They had one outhouse and one water faucet that they all had to share. They were so broke that they sometimes stole food from gardens (including mine). I saw one girl walk into my neighbor's house and steal food. And I caught her walking right into my house too when she thought nobody was home.
Some illegals who have been working for a long time may manage to actually rent a place. But many of them are living in extremely marginal conditions. They certainly aren't paying enough taxes to justify any sort of in-state tuition advantage.
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BebeII: http://blogs.investors.com/capitalhill/index.php/home/35-politicsinvesting/5357-69-oppose-in-state-tuition-illegal-immigrants-perry-romney-cain A new poll on voters take of illegal immigrants receiving in-state tuition.
Since illegal immigrats come here anyway, it seems like a good idea to educate them so that we are not just allowing factory owners to lure them in so that we can keep them as a sub class of human beings who exist to serve us. I think the US should have been having free English lessons for years.
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jac379:
Why is it that we have countless threads on the subject of tax payers money being spent on the education of "illegal aliens" who are our own brothers and sisters (and so a sensible investment), but not on tax payers money being spent on that which we have no idea if it may have a profitable return?
Could it be because we regard some of ourselves as more worthy of knowledge and investment than others? What is the criteria for this worthiness?
Why is it that we have countless threads on the subject of tax payers money being spent on the education of "illegal aliens" who are our own brothers and sisters (and so a sensible investment), but not on tax payers money being spent on that which we have no idea if it may have a profitable return?
Could it be because we regard some of ourselves as more worthy of knowledge and investment than others? What is the criteria for this worthiness?
Not necessarily inherently more worthy.
I don't think anybody is saying that illegal aliens are less worthy of being educated. But it comes down to finances. Taxpayers pay for the schools, so taxpayers and their families should be the ones who benefit from them, not illegal aliens. It's not that they are unworthy. It's just that they are aliens with no right to impose the cost of their children's education on a society where they are illegal.
I benefit from some of the social programs here in France. But I also paid into those programs for 15 years. If I had been working illegally I would not now have the right legally or morally to demand any sort of aid.
I do agree with you that a lot of tax money has been wasted on totally ridiculous things like wars and weapons and space junk. Maybe if we learned to be more sensible the cost of education would be a lot more affordable for everybody.
But it's all academic now anyway. We're sliding into a total economic meltdown. Soon people with college degrees will be lining up for hours to try to get a job at McDonald's.
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Witchaywoman: Since illegal immigrats come here anyway, it seems like a good idea to educate them so that we are not just allowing factory owners to lure them in so that we can keep them as a sub class of human beings who exist to serve us. I think the US should have been having free English lessons for years.
Now that´s one of the most sensible posts on this thread.
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So now let's blame it on the illegal immigrants?
Think again... or maybe just for once think about putting most of the blame, for just about anything these days... exactly where it belongs, well him and his ilk anyway:
Witchay
Think again... or maybe just for once think about putting most of the blame, for just about anything these days... exactly where it belongs, well him and his ilk anyway:
Witchay
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Witchaywoman: Since illegal immigrats come here anyway, it seems like a good idea to educate them so that we are not just allowing factory owners to lure them in so that we can keep them as a sub class of human beings who exist to serve us. I think the US should have been having free English lessons for years.
Ok, that sounds cool.
Lets do that...And at the same time, the DHS can waiver all fees for us poor people who are paying through the nose to do it legally.
That sounds fair to me.
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Bodeciea: ....For all those who want "amnesty" for illegals, of ANY nationality, try paying for someone to go down the legal route see how much it costs to do it, both in financial and emotional terms, and then, when you have paid for all that, see how you feel about people who duck this route getting free education, or free anything...
I can assure you, you MAY feel slightly differently.
I can assure you, you MAY feel slightly differently.
That is terrible Bodecia (now Bodeciea).
Either they charge too much or you make too little.
Either way is unfair.
Again: I do not favor illegal immigration.
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lifeisadream: That is terrible Bodecia (now Bodeciea).
Either they charge too much or you make too little.
Either way is unfair.
Again: I do not favor illegal immigration.
Either they charge too much or you make too little.
Either way is unfair.
Again: I do not favor illegal immigration.
I am all in favor of people bettering themselves, Life, and the English lesson idea is a good one. The employers who take on these souls are the ones that should be penalized, and much more heavily than they are right now.
As regards the immigration fees, it makes no difference what you earn, and that is irrelevant really; its the principle of the matter. One rule for all, it should be.
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Bodeciea: I am all in favor of people bettering themselves, Life, and the English lesson idea is a good one. The employers who take on these souls are the ones that should be penalized, and much more heavily than they are right now.
As regards the immigration fees, it makes no difference what you earn, and that is irrelevant really; its the principle of the matter. One rule for all, it should be.
As regards the immigration fees, it makes no difference what you earn, and that is irrelevant really; its the principle of the matter. One rule for all, it should be.
Exactly!
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Having just spent yet another large sum of money to complete my immigration, which basically took two weeks of my hard-earned cash for a one-page form, it makes me seethe that anyone who has not gone down the legal route should get ANYTHING, to be honest. For all those who want "amnesty" for illegals, of ANY nationality, try paying for someone to go down the legal route see how much it costs to do it, both in financial and emotional terms, and then, when you have paid for all that, see how you feel about people who duck this route getting free education, or free anything...
I can assure you, you MAY feel slightly differently.
I refer to those folks as "line jumpers"......Did you ever stand in line to buy a ticket for an event and witness someone going to the front of the line without waiting....and even worse than that they did not pay after they jumped the line.....That really pisses me off....