Macho vs. feminine attitude ( Archived) (20)

Feb 4, 2012 7:35 PM CST Macho vs. feminine attitude
leonardo5
leonardo5leonardo5Central region, Santa Fe Argentina33 Threads 8 Polls 284 Posts
I’ve noticed there’re some things that are valorized more by the people than the other way around.
One of them is for those persons able to endure the cold climate. They are generally seen as braves; but…what about those able to endure the hot temperatures? I’ve never heard they deserve the same admiration.
But the point is essentially about ‘macho vs. feminine’ behavior. I’ve noticed the machismo is seen as a quality. Even for women. A woman who has a male behavior is frequently seen as brave and many times even admired. All the opposite for the feminine behavior for a guy.
I wonder if this unbalance is something rather local or if it is something that happens in every culture.
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Feb 4, 2012 7:55 PM CST Macho vs. feminine attitude
joyaepace
joyaepacejoyaepaceGalway, Ireland11 Threads 2 Polls 958 Posts
leonardo5: I’ve noticed there’re some things that are valorized more by the people than the other way around.
One of them is for those persons able to endure the cold climate. They are generally seen as braves; but…what about those able to endure the hot temperatures? I’ve never heard they deserve the same admiration.
But the point is essentially about ‘macho vs. feminine’ behavior. I’ve noticed the machismo is seen as a quality. Even for women. A woman who has a male behavior is frequently seen as brave and many times even admired. All the opposite for the feminine behavior for a guy.
I wonder if this unbalance is something rather local or if it is something that happens in every culture.


Guy would be seen as weak if he acted feminine. Even weird. But women kind of are expected now to act like that. Women mistakenly think that they need to try hard to be 'equal' to men so they emulate men's behaviour. It looks also weird in fact. We don't need to try hard, we are equal already and may be even better, just we are constantly told that we aren't.
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Feb 4, 2012 8:02 PM CST Macho vs. feminine attitude
jono7
jono7jono7Out West, British Columbia Canada3 Threads 8,017 Posts
"A woman who has a male behavior is frequently seen as brave and many times even admired."

i don't think bravery has anything to do with being male or female.

are you saying that if a women demonstrates bravery..that is somehow construed as a male quality?
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Feb 4, 2012 8:29 PM CST Macho vs. feminine attitude
leonardo5
leonardo5leonardo5Central region, Santa Fe Argentina33 Threads 8 Polls 284 Posts
jono7: "A woman who has a male behavior is frequently seen as brave and many times even admired."

i don't think bravery has anything to do with being male or female.

are you saying that if a women demonstrates bravery..that is somehow construed as a male quality?

Maybe I’m suffering the language barrier effect; but in Spanish at least ‘bravura’ is frequently associated with ‘machismo’.
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Feb 4, 2012 8:41 PM CST Macho vs. feminine attitude
jono7
jono7jono7Out West, British Columbia Canada3 Threads 8,017 Posts
leonardo5: Maybe I’m suffering the language barrier effect; but in Spanish at least ‘bravura’ is frequently associated with ‘machismo’.


mmmm....maybe a cultural thing?
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Feb 5, 2012 9:09 AM CST Macho vs. feminine attitude
leonardo5
leonardo5leonardo5Central region, Santa Fe Argentina33 Threads 8 Polls 284 Posts
Another thing that is unbalanced to me and that is probably linked with the original topic:
According what I see surrounding, most men think it’s disgusting to see 2 men making love.
But find amusing and even exciting if that situation is from 2 women.
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Feb 5, 2012 11:33 AM CST Macho vs. feminine attitude
RedSpaceDuck
RedSpaceDuckRedSpaceDuckUmbongo Land, Greater Manchester, England UK1 Threads 61 Posts
leonardo5: I’ve noticed there’re some things that are valorized more by the people than the other way around.
One of them is for those persons able to endure the cold climate. They are generally seen as braves; but…what about those able to endure the hot temperatures? I’ve never heard they deserve the same admiration.
But the point is essentially about ‘macho vs. feminine’ behavior. I’ve noticed the machismo is seen as a quality. Even for women. A woman who has a male behavior is frequently seen as brave and many times even admired. All the opposite for the feminine behavior for a guy.
I wonder if this unbalance is something rather local or if it is something that happens in every culture.


You could say being able to endure is manly and is a good quality to have. But then there's plenty of feminine qualities which are in themselves seen as positives, such as nurturing.

I don't see our society as something that particularly favours macho qualities; Bluntness is usually frowned upon in favour of sophistry, and violence is completely discredited by the bourgeois classes to the point where society is generally divided into thugs and wimps, and I don't think it has always been this way - the traditional gentleman doesn't conjur images of a wimp, but the modern Man does.

The problem isn't Women as I see it, many "tough" Women around that I see still do have the feminine qualities, they just have masculine qualities as well. Whereas many modern Men do a good job of emulating a Woman, yet they completely lack the qualities of a real Man.
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Feb 6, 2012 7:30 PM CST Macho vs. feminine attitude
leonardo5
leonardo5leonardo5Central region, Santa Fe Argentina33 Threads 8 Polls 284 Posts
RedSpaceDuck: You could say being able to endure is manly


mmm...no sure really.
I think women are more capable to endure than men. That is probable the reason God chose them to birth babies.
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Jul 22, 2014 8:43 PM CST Macho vs. feminine attitude
Echo_17
Echo_17Echo_17Saint Vicent, Buenos Aires Argentina40 Posts
leonardo5: I’ve noticed there’re some things that are valorized more by the people than the other way around.
One of them is for those persons able to endure the cold climate. They are generally seen as braves; but…what about those able to endure the hot temperatures? I’ve never heard they deserve the same admiration.
But the point is essentially about ‘macho vs. feminine’ behavior. I’ve noticed the machismo is seen as a quality. Even for women. A woman who has a male behavior is frequently seen as brave and many times even admired. All the opposite for the feminine behavior for a guy.
I wonder if this unbalance is something rather local or if it is something that happens in every culture.




Some women like a man who is 'sensitive', and some like a 'bad boy'
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Jul 23, 2014 6:10 AM CST Macho vs. feminine attitude
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
leonardo5: I’ve noticed there’re some things that are valorized more by the people than the other way around.
One of them is for those persons able to endure the cold climate. They are generally seen as braves; but…what about those able to endure the hot temperatures? I’ve never heard they deserve the same admiration.
But the point is essentially about ‘macho vs. feminine’ behavior. I’ve noticed the machismo is seen as a quality. Even for women. A woman who has a male behavior is frequently seen as brave and many times even admired. All the opposite for the feminine behavior for a guy.
I wonder if this unbalance is something rather local or if it is something that happens in every culture.


Masculinity suggests a kind of physical bravery and resilience. But there are other ways to be brave.

I consider the feminine to be of warmth, sensitivity and caprice. And I consider the masculine to be of dominance, order and vigilance. And in the late-stage civilisation of the West the feminine is the popular, prized and conformist spirit whilst masculinity is villainised by the gatekeepers: Being apathetic, laid-back and liberal is not only boring, it also has no balls.

Anyway, I'd say it's essential for both genders to have elements of the opposite because unlike cultural, racial or social difference the survival of the species depends on working the differences out between men and women - A society could experience class war or race war, but the idea of a gender war is absurd - However, the majority of men are not happy to be like a woman, and the majority of women are not happy to be like a man. This is the nature of things.
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Jul 23, 2014 6:22 AM CST Macho vs. feminine attitude
Obstinance_Works: Masculinity suggests a kind of physical bravery and resilience. But there are other ways to be brave.

I consider the feminine to be of warmth, sensitivity and caprice. And I consider the masculine to be of dominance, order and vigilance. And in the late-stage civilisation of the West the feminine is the popular, prized and conformist spirit whilst masculinity is villainised by the gatekeepers: Being apathetic, laid-back and liberal is not only boring, it also has no balls.

Anyway, I'd say it's essential for both genders to have elements of the opposite because unlike cultural, racial or social difference the survival of the species depends on working the differences out between men and women - A society could experience class war or race war, but the idea of a gender war is absurd - However, the majority of men are not happy to be like a woman, and the majority of women are not happy to be like a man. This is the nature of things.

Hi Obs. I see your new pic.... musing despondently outside the Cathedral of Enclaved White Liberalism, SWPL and Misplaced Empathy.
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Jul 23, 2014 7:49 AM CST Macho vs. feminine attitude
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
leonardo5: I’ve noticed there’re some things that are valorized more by the people than the other way around.
One of them is for those persons able to endure the cold climate. They are generally seen as braves; but…what about those able to endure the hot temperatures? I’ve never heard they deserve the same admiration.
But the point is essentially about ‘macho vs. feminine’ behavior. I’ve noticed the machismo is seen as a quality. Even for women. A woman who has a male behavior is frequently seen as brave and many times even admired. All the opposite for the feminine behavior for a guy.
I wonder if this unbalance is something rather local or if it is something that happens in every culture.


The only time anyone living in a cold climate is when they have to go to the bathroom outside. Otherwise, one can always dress for the cold; unlike a really hot climate... IMO
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Jul 23, 2014 7:54 AM CST Macho vs. feminine attitude
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
The only time anyone living in a cold climate is brave is when they have to go to the bathroom outside. Otherwise, one can always dress for the cold; unlike a really hot climate... IMO
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Jul 23, 2014 7:54 AM CST Macho vs. feminine attitude
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
The only time anyone living in a cold climate is brave is when they have to go to the bathroom outside. Otherwise, one can always dress for the cold; unlike a really hot climate... IMO
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Jul 23, 2014 7:58 AM CST Macho vs. feminine attitude
professor Bravery - is that truly a masculine thing?

Bravery for a woman is bearing a child - most women have the capacity to feel that extreme pain. What man could ever imagine that?


The saying is - if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen - just where did that saying come from? dunno
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Jul 23, 2014 8:12 AM CST Macho vs. feminine attitude
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
JeanKimberley: Bravery - is that truly a masculine thing?

Bravery for a woman is bearing a child - most women have the capacity to feel that extreme pain. What man could ever imagine that?The saying is - if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen - just where did that saying come from?


I think they fake it...tongue


rolling on the floor laughing
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Jul 23, 2014 8:14 AM CST Macho vs. feminine attitude
bungallow55
bungallow55bungallow55Lakeland, Florida USA238 Threads 10 Polls 3,837 Posts
Ok, I'm from Puerto Rico, for us a macho or machismo is a man that likes to go home and beat his wife and sometimes his kids.

This is what a macho is, an abuser.boxing
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Jul 23, 2014 8:16 AM CST Macho vs. feminine attitude
galrads: I think they fake it...


the birth or the pain? giggle flex
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Jul 23, 2014 8:37 AM CST Macho vs. feminine attitude
leonardo5: I’ve noticed there’re some things that are valorized more by the people than the other way around.
One of them is for those persons able to endure the cold climate. They are generally seen as braves; but…what about those able to endure the hot temperatures? I’ve never heard they deserve the same admiration.
But the point is essentially about ‘macho vs. feminine’ behavior. I’ve noticed the machismo is seen as a quality. Even for women. A woman who has a male behavior is frequently seen as brave and many times even admired. All the opposite for the feminine behavior for a guy.
I wonder if this unbalance is something rather local or if it is something that happens in every culture.


I am far from being masculine, but I am very brave....I don't need a man to protect me...but I would like a man to love me flirty
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Jul 23, 2014 8:40 AM CST Macho vs. feminine attitude
bungallow55
bungallow55bungallow55Lakeland, Florida USA238 Threads 10 Polls 3,837 Posts
Hollywood was the one who gave the 'macho' word

a new meaning...I mean, macho equal hero.

How false is this.very mad
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