people today is the day, what will they do with saddam? surely they will not sentance him to death, iraq would explode if they did, any sentance wont be good things may be bad over there in the next couple of decades or did i mean weeks? myself i know the man was a evil person not the fella you wanted to cross and the be found out, blood on his hands yeah for sure his hands are stained, will this conclude our business in iraq? i doubt it, i think this is just the begining of what i dont know, one thing i know is i feel uneasy and i am in london. i suppose saddam will be sleeping easy in his bed right now because whatever the verdict he dont lose....
He loses nothing. The ones who have are his own people, and the blood running down the streets, of their family members and loved ones.
No sentence is going to really make a difference. There is no question of guilt...just how the guilty would pay for their sins. We can kill him...but there is a greater power who will make the punishment for him...eternal. That is my own belief.
They're imposing a shoot-on-sight curfew in all the provinces of Iraq except Anbar province which is controlled by the insurgents. We have lost 10 soldiers so far this month and it's only the 4th. I wonder if George Bush will sleep soundly tonight.
If you think Bush is any less evil than Saddam Hussein checkout this site that lists Iraqi civilian casualties as a direct result of American military action:
Does the one who owns the domain for the URL you posted like to stir the pot? Citing:
"The British prime minister is in a state of wilful denial about Iraq."
(His typo, not mine)
How can the British PM be in denial about Iraq? They are an active part of what's happening just like a few other countries are. I have yet to see where the PM has said or done anything to reflect Sloboda's statement, in any form.
I didn't see that quote but it's not difficult to comprehend. Blair is in denial about Iraq as in the war is going well; the war was justified; we had to act to save the world from Iraq's WMDs; we're doing the right thing; we'd do it all again if we had to.
That quote comes from another site he posts on, Opendemocracy - comprehension wasn't the issue with that, I'm aware of what was inferred. I'm going to say that Iraq does infact have the capability of delivering WMD, citing de-classified information regarding their projects:
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"Iraq's nuclear weapons programme, as planned in 1988, foresaw the production of the first weapon in 1991. However, the nuclear weapon in the mid-1988 conceptual design was deemed to be far too heavy to be delivered by missile. Consequently the PC-3 Fourth Group (Weapon development) had been advised to modify the design "with a view to reducing the total weight of the projectile (payload) to about one ton or less". It appears that three delivery vehicle options were pursued: [GC 40-13]
* The longer term plan was for a delivery vehicle based on the engine that was being developed to power the second stage of the Al Abid satellite launcher. This vehicle would have had a payload chamber of 1.25 meter diameter and the capability to deliver a warhead of at least one ton to a range of almost 1,200 km. Practical work on this engine did not start until April 1989 and according to Iraq, this nuclear weapon delivery vehicle option would not have been complete until 1993 - two years after the first nuclear weapon was supposed to have been produced. * The fall-back option was to use an essentially unmodified Al Hussein missile and to accept a range limitation of 300 km. * Although discounted as impracticable by Iraqis, it seems reasonable to suppose that the shorter term - crash programme - option was the attempt, stated to have been initiated in August/September 1990, to produce a derivative of the Al Hussein/Al Abbas missile designed to deliver a warhead of one tonne up to 650 km and to accommodate a nuclear package of 80 cm diameter. "
where much other information on the exacts of their programs are detailed. Something else you may find quite interesting, all of the facilities with full GPS coordinates and the like, as well as icons to show what each plant does.
There's a big difference in intentions and capability. We went to war telling our respective populations that the world was in IMMINENT DANGER from Iraq's WMDs. The truth was that the UN regime of sanctions and inspections were working. George Bush and his cabal couldn't wait to rush into this war. Does anyone remember that idiot, Paul Wolfowitz (now the President of the World Bank -- God help us!), saying that we would be welcomed with open arms and that Iraq's oil revenue would be enough to rebuild the country with some left over for good measure?
Today we find out that one of the architect of the war, Richard Perelman says in hind sight the war was a disaster, especially the way it was conducted by our administration. And--this should come as no surprise--a former speech writer for Bush has said that the president made all those speeches without really comprehending their contents.
Checked on this information... Following organizations have something to do with this. Peoples Kifah (an Iraqi political organization) and Aljazeera (We all know who they are).
the sources that are quoted in the reference url DISPUTE the findings of the IBC. Following is a synopsys of their disputes ...Article in question lists ALL deaths in Iraq not diferentiat between natural causes and combat related causes. Deaths attributed to colition military activity included beheading and other civilian deaths resulting from actions by insergents as well as deaths due to inadequate medical care and poor sanitation. IBC uses civilian casuality numbers that used death of Iraqi police officers and ENEMY Combantants. IBC claims a high number of female and children casualitys (50%) but the actual numbers are 87.1% male 90% adult.
Your can learn a lot by finding out who runs a web site and then investigating those organizations.
If their findings are so poorly spelled you'd have to wonder about their competence. Al Jazeera is a fine organization. It's the CNN of the Middle East so don't knock something that you know little about.
I did not Copy the article and paste it because it is full of tables and graphs that have nothing to do with what you are claiming.
I spent the time typing it myself that is why I called it a synopsys.
Now...
I have checked out the site you listed. I have followed the links and checked on the organizations the were used for the source material for the IBC claims. I have presented that information back to this thread. Anyone who wants can investigate this information as I did or blindly listen to you.
I have friends that came out of Iran about 5 years ago. They are survivors of a death hunt committed by that country against a group of people that were not muslim and therefore where killed in mass groups. Should I deni they exist because it does not fit your view of the world.
What you are here for is beyond me...
I am going back to the sane threads and continue my search for a suitable mate.
DarkhorsemanGladstonia ... it's a strange, Queensland Australia1,304 posts
That's a good point about George Dubya and Saddam spending eternity together ... unfortunately neither believe that they will have to put up with each other's company.
Dubya's father George Hubert was much brighter than his son. He could see what would happen if Stormin' Norman Swartzkoff went all the way to Baghdad. Exactly what has happened. Even if you don't care about Iraqi civilian cassualties ... nearly 3000 young United States citizens killed. Some things even the World's strongest ecconomy can't fix.
It isn't a question of whether you can type or not. It's how you spell. The inability to spell immediately makes you loose credibility. And what's the rant about Iran? What does that have to do with LiteraryLass' comment? Did she defend Iran or even mention Iran?
P.S: It's regards not "reguards" an eight year old should manage it.
We know you aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer. The thing about wikipedia is that any idiot can edit any page they desire. You will find opposing views and complete rubbish. For instance your silly rant on Iran can be posted on a wikipedia article about Iran in a minute and then some yahoo can come along and claim it as gospel.
I can't see why people want to not accept the Iraqi civilian casualties? Don't they read the news or at least watch it on TV? Everyday almost a 100 people are killed and that's a direct result of our presence.
Al Jazeera DISPUTES The findings of the IBC also. Stating that some of the numbers included in the body count were actually deaths by natural causes.
I did not disparage Al Jezeera I merely mentioned them in connection with the referenced web site. I fully believe that as a news organization they are far more ethical than CNN which has tendency to report news as fact before it is verified as do most world news organizations.
"Checked on this information... Following organizations have something to do with this. Peoples Kifah (an Iraqi political organization) and Aljazeera (We all know who they are)."
And naturally I took the "we all know who they are" comment as negative. In any case my apologies if you thought I was being rude. Not my intention.
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