Terrorism - the definition (108)
bestbefore: You are nitpicking as usual. Everyone has an opinion, and, as such, are entitled.One man's definition of terrorism is maybe not how another would interpret the word.
One man? I gave you the head of the UN and one of the world's leading authorities on terrorism. You pull your definition out of where and, what exactly is it?
bestbefore: One thread has already been locked ,so what are you trying to achieve with this one ?
Define terrorism for this board on a realistic level rather than simply a case by case emotional play.
What is your widely accepted definition Best? Please quote it as I have rather than invent it to fit your emotions.
bestbefore: I know you love to dissect,and get YOUR point across, so I'll leave you to it.
Thanks. This proves he was a murderer rather than a terrorist as he was intent on killing people with no attempt to garner a political change.
"" Mr. Breivik's "manifesto" revealed he was a militantly right-wing Christian who felt it was his duty to kill these people because they were promoting multiculturalism. ""
A terrorist is not intent on killing people as an end but rather as a message that more can - and will be killed if the government does not change. He is unable to 'change' anything where he is at is he?
Now please, address the OP and provide your definition of terrorism that is widely accepted rather than obfuscate this issue.
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robplum: no just my thoughts, something i've often wondered about, the VC won
Some people think that enemies should stand out in the open and get themselves killed, think terrorists think better to ensure a high price is paid
Some people think that enemies should stand out in the open and get themselves killed, think terrorists think better to ensure a high price is paid
Did you read what Koffi said in his definition Rob?
""intended to cause death or serious bodily harm to civilians or non-combatants with the purpose of intimidating a population or compelling a government or an international organization to do or abstain from doing any act. ""
Key word is civilians.
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For the same reason,police or arm forces,serve political masters,to fighr back the terrorists.
Albertaghost: A terrorist is s soldier of sorts as he or she serves a political master same as legitimate troops.
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chris27292729: For the same reason,police or arm forces,serve political masters,to fighr back the terrorists.
Holy Crap!
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chris27292729: For the same reason,police or arm forces,serve political masters,to fighr back the terrorists.
so there is no difference in your Book between legitimate Law-Enforcement and Terrorism? 
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chris27292729: For the same reason,police or arm forces,serve political masters,to fighr back the terrorists.
Nope. Police and soldiers are usually in tune with humanity while those who employ terrorism have to conditioned to conduct inhuman acts.
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Then you better train B52 Bombers to target the oceans
You talking to the wrong bloke Albert I'v stood watching Napalm burn a whole shanty town full of people in 1968, your having alone of your self if you think western forces don't kill lots and lots of civilians, they killed easily more civilians in Iraq than any one did
You talking to the wrong bloke Albert I'v stood watching Napalm burn a whole shanty town full of people in 1968, your having alone of your self if you think western forces don't kill lots and lots of civilians, they killed easily more civilians in Iraq than any one did
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robplum: Then you better train B52 Bombers to target the oceans
You talking to the wrong bloke Albert I'v stood watching Napalm burn a whole shanty town full of people in 1968, your having alone of your self if you think western forces don't kill lots and lots of civilians, they killed easily more civilians in Iraq than any one did
You talking to the wrong bloke Albert I'v stood watching Napalm burn a whole shanty town full of people in 1968, your having alone of your self if you think western forces don't kill lots and lots of civilians, they killed easily more civilians in Iraq than any one did
And they did that to intimidating a government into changing when the government already had huh? Sounds more like a military gone wrong rather than a policy of deliberately killing civilians in order for the civilians to pressure the government to change.
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Anyhow Rob, enough of the sidetracking. Have ou an actual widely accepted definition terrorism or just a rant?
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Go and tell to Afghani village,that their people were killed for humanitarian reasons by the lone American soldier.-
Albertaghost: Nope. Police and soldiers are usually in tune with humanity while those who employ terrorism have to conditioned to conduct inhuman acts.
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it happens in most wars, civilians end up paying the biggest price in most wars. Millions of them died in Vietnam over the hundred or so years westerners tried to wrestle for the minds of the people, tis the stupidity of mankind, even animals don't do that
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Conrad73: added this to My Documents in January!
The UN in 2004 said """criminal acts, including against civilians, committed with the intent to cause death or serious bodily injury, or taking of hostages, with the purpose to provoke a state of terror in the general public or in a group of persons or particular persons, intimidate a population or compel a government or an international organization to do or to abstain from doing any act, which constitute offences within the scope of and as defined in the international conventions and protocols relating to terrorism, are under no circumstances justifiable by considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or other similar nature,"""
Those with military power do not need to intimidate as they can force, a military does not need to create a state of terror as they can force the desired action and the key is 'criminal action' which is no such when it is approved by a Status of Forces Agreement but is not when the insurgents are using the above actions against a civilian population.Still think Breivik ought to be prosecuted as a common Murderer!
Would deprive him of the Circus he's turning his Trial into!
The UN in 2004 said """criminal acts, including against civilians, committed with the intent to cause death or serious bodily injury, or taking of hostages, with the purpose to provoke a state of terror in the general public or in a group of persons or particular persons, intimidate a population or compel a government or an international organization to do or to abstain from doing any act, which constitute offences within the scope of and as defined in the international conventions and protocols relating to terrorism, are under no circumstances justifiable by considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or other similar nature,"""
Those with military power do not need to intimidate as they can force, a military does not need to create a state of terror as they can force the desired action and the key is 'criminal action' which is no such when it is approved by a Status of Forces Agreement but is not when the insurgents are using the above actions against a civilian population.Still think Breivik ought to be prosecuted as a common Murderer!
Would deprive him of the Circus he's turning his Trial into!
Good post Conrad! Least somebody has a definition rather than a rant.
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Albertaghost: Anyhow Rob, enough of the sidetracking. Have ou an actual widely accepted definition terrorism or just a rant?
you cheeky sod i already gave you my opinion, why don't you grow up, instead of trying to push your stupidity on other in every thread you post, your not debating your expressing like for your misunderstanding and dislike for every one else s views that's not debating its bloody insulting trying to lower the mentality of others down to your crazy christian bias
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robplum: it happens in most wars, civilians end up paying the biggest price in most wars. Millions of them died in Vietnam over the hundred or so years westerners tried to wrestle for the minds of the people, tis the stupidity of mankind, even animals don't do that
You really need to start your own thread on Vietnam as it has little to do with terrorism and, I see the need for you to open up.
Think we need one Rob?
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robplum: you cheeky sod i already gave you my opinion, why don't you grow up, instead of trying to push your stupidity on other in every thread you post, your not debating your expressing like for your misunderstanding and dislike for every one else s views that's not debating its bloody insulting trying to lower the mentality of others down to your crazy christian bias
Wasn't asking for your opinion Rob. Asked for your widely accepted definition of terrorism.
Please read the posts and then respond within the parameters.
I suppose this is where I would call you an old has been LEG but I won't as I've grown to respect others who served before me.
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You really take the biscuit Alberta.
I understand you go by the FBI definition of terrorism. Thankfully they don't rule the world. Breivek has been charged with Terrorism
terrorism
Pronunciation: /'t?r?r?z?m/
noun
[mass noun]
the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims:
the fight against terrorism
international terrorism
terrorist
Pronunciation: /'t?r?r?st/
noun
a person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims:
[as modifier]:
a terrorist organization
Oxford English Dictionary
I understand you would like to see the definition changed and you like to use proposed definitions to suit your agenda, but fortunately most people live in the real world and use the definition that applies now.
As I said to you yesterday one does not have to have a towel on their head and a beard to be a terrorist.
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robplum: that was the first response you received in this thread and it is my
"Asked for your widely accepted definition of terrorism"
"Asked for your widely accepted definition of terrorism"
I looked around over the net and could not find this definition anywhere used by any official country or organization so unless you can show me where it is used and by whom it sadly does not qualify for 'a widely accepted definition of terrorism.'
This definition was found where Rob?
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gleneagle: I like your definition. Its a nice departure from the definitions carefully crafted by citizens from countries that demonize those whom they oppose and are having difficulty intimidating.
I think the actions of the Syria regime might require a rewriting of the UN or other world powers definition of terrorism. I always thought carpet or phosphorous bombing to be a form of terrorism.
I think the actions of the Syria regime might require a rewriting of the UN or other world powers definition of terrorism. I always thought carpet or phosphorous bombing to be a form of terrorism.
Ya that Koffi Annan is one shifty sort indeed! Heck, instead of using anything official, let's just make our own definitions.
Gleneagle is a terrorist cause he posts emotional hubris!
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ttom500: He acted alone,
Seems what is missing is ...
""designed to have far-reaching psychological repercussions beyond the immediate victim or target
- conducted by an organization with an identifiable chain of command or conspiratorial cell structure (whose members wear no uniform or identifying insignia) and
- perpetrated by a subnational group or non-state entit""
Acted alone huh? No support, no financing other than himself, no approvals from supporting units or groups just him .. in a cell. Which means ...
""the purpose of intimidating a population or compelling a government or an international organization to do or abstain from doing any act. ""
is out as is ...
""designed to have far-reaching psychological repercussions beyond the immediate victim or target""
The guy is a murderer plain and simple.
""Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."" - Freud
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""an organization with an identifiable chain of command or conspiratorial cell structure (whose members wear no uniform or identifying insignia) and
- perpetrated by a subnational group or non-state entity""
Hmmm. Sounds like it was a one man show and the guy is now in jail getting his cheeks spread by guards looking for contraband. Not much of a threat to the government is he?
So much for Annan's definition of conducting for ""the purpose of intimidating a population or compelling a government or an international organization to do or abstain from doing any act. ""
You are nitpicking as usual. Everyone has an opinion, and, as such, are entitled.One man's definition of terrorism is maybe not how another would interpret the word.
One thread has already been locked ,so what are you trying to achieve with this one ?
I know you love to dissect,and get YOUR point across, so I'll leave you to it.