China (36)
pedro27: its unfair, and brutle , no human rights
Really?? By what standard do you measure your opinion by? Have you been to China? experienced how the average Chinese person lives? Try it, you may be very very surprised.
Yes the laws are tough, brutal even, but this is a huge country with the biggest population, it needs a firm control in order to grow successfully, Here in Anhui province, we live a pretty free and enjoyable life, amazing food, great entertainment and wonderful friendly people, surrounded by one of the worlds greatest and oldest histories.
Don't knock it till you've tied it!!
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rizlared: Really?? By what standard do you measure your opinion by? Have you been to China? experienced how the average Chinese person lives? Try it, you may be very very surprised.
Yes the laws are tough, brutal even, but this is a huge country with the biggest population, it needs a firm control in order to grow successfully, Here in Anhui province, we live a pretty free and enjoyable life, amazing food, great entertainment and wonderful friendly people, surrounded by one of the worlds greatest and oldest histories.
Don't knock it till you've tied it!!
Yes the laws are tough, brutal even, but this is a huge country with the biggest population, it needs a firm control in order to grow successfully, Here in Anhui province, we live a pretty free and enjoyable life, amazing food, great entertainment and wonderful friendly people, surrounded by one of the worlds greatest and oldest histories.
Don't knock it till you've tied it!!
are you only allowed have one child there?
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So,when you buy their cheap products,their human rights comes in your mind????
pedro27: its unfair, and brutle , no human rights
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rizlared: Really?? By what standard do you measure your opinion by? Have you been to China? experienced how the average Chinese person lives? Try it, you may be very very surprised.
Yes the laws are tough, brutal even, but this is a huge country with the biggest population, it needs a firm control in order to grow successfully, Here in Anhui province, we live a pretty free and enjoyable life, amazing food, great entertainment and wonderful friendly people, surrounded by one of the worlds greatest and oldest histories.
Don't knock it till you've tied it!!
Yes the laws are tough, brutal even, but this is a huge country with the biggest population, it needs a firm control in order to grow successfully, Here in Anhui province, we live a pretty free and enjoyable life, amazing food, great entertainment and wonderful friendly people, surrounded by one of the worlds greatest and oldest histories.
Don't knock it till you've tied it!!
i mean it depends if you have a baby boy, its ok, but if you have a baby girl the laws say it forbidden?
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pedro27: ok the programme on tv was BS because it stated that some of chinas workers were working for there dinner, any way whats the human rights like over there?
The human rights here are not good, but, compared to what other "Civilised" countries have done, I would suggest, small in comparison, again the rest of the world has to understand Chinese culture, which is basically, if they don't like it, they throw it away, politically, the CPC is under pressure, they know their life span is dwindling as fast as China is growing, which is why they now class themselves as socialists, when the leader elections take place a major shake up will happen, Mao is no longer the revered man he used to be, only by the older generation, but the new generations want to live like the west, while continuing to hold on to their traditions, whether this is possible, I have no answer, but nothing surprises me about China, it is a truly amazing country in which to live, and always an adventure!!
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chris27292729: So,when you buy their cheap products,their human rights comes in your mind????
they are cheap products because there not getting paid enough for producing them, this is 2012 there should be a civilised world for most people .
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pedro27: i mean it depends if you have a baby boy, its ok, but if you have a baby girl the laws say it forbidden?
The "One Child Policy" is flexible, depending on where you live, if you are in a large city, Shanghai, Beijing etc, then only one child is allowed, male or female. If you live in the countryside or small city, then the rule is adjusted, so some people have 3 daughters and then a son, traditionally a son is preferable as they could earn more money, but time are changing, women can earn the same as men now, so it is becoming less important, however, farmers still want sons, as they need the strength to work the land.
I often ask my students to discuss the OCP, with interesting results, most agree with it, although they want two children, boy/girl, but understand that the population has to be controlled due to the amount of food available, It is interesting that in my province water and food are readily available in large quantities, but the students know and understand that in western provinces, this is not so true, so they try to help y agreeing to the OCP, which in turn can help those areas struggling with a lack of water and food.
With regards to sterilisation, this is voluntary, but financial help is given to those who become sterilised, as it makes for a smaller population, forced sterilisation can happen, but usually on those who have broken the laws and have had 3 or more children and usually only in the very poorest of regions where the local government cannot afford to feed extra mouths.
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rizlared: Um wrong, China has a minimum wage policy, which varies from province to province, in my province, which is one of the poorer ones, the min is around 20 euro a week which is enough to live on, those are people like street sweepers,while factory workers get >100 per week. While some illegal companies still have poor pay/conditions, as soon as they are found the local police do act, fast, and close them down, the owners go to jail!! China is not perfect, but where is??????
Chinese people are not stupid in fact the opposite, they want better goods, and are willing to save and buy them, But buy Chinese rather than foreign as they believe it helps their economy.
Those that still believe that Chinese goods are rubbish should maybe take a look at their own household items, supposedly made in US, Japan or Europe, and most, if not all will have some connection with Chinese manufacturing, the quality of exported goods from China is far far better than most actually realise, and with the advancing of technology, soon they will be supplying goods traditionally made elsewhere with equal or better quality.
Example, Apple use China for almost all their products, are they rubbish?? Hardly as Apple is the richest company in the world.
Chinese people are not stupid in fact the opposite, they want better goods, and are willing to save and buy them, But buy Chinese rather than foreign as they believe it helps their economy.
Those that still believe that Chinese goods are rubbish should maybe take a look at their own household items, supposedly made in US, Japan or Europe, and most, if not all will have some connection with Chinese manufacturing, the quality of exported goods from China is far far better than most actually realise, and with the advancing of technology, soon they will be supplying goods traditionally made elsewhere with equal or better quality.
Example, Apple use China for almost all their products, are they rubbish?? Hardly as Apple is the richest company in the world.
I agree and If you look at the breakdown of products sold worldwide by china, example clothing, shoes etc. It kind of blows away the old theory of inferior goods.
Also many countries in the world including the West have their stories of underpaid employees, and bad working conditions.
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RDM59: Fear ... .... how about viewing it as a future opportunity ?
China's workers are growing richer by the day and want to buy quality western goods.
Look how well Germany is doing for example, selling them high quality engineering products, such as cars for example.
China's workers are growing richer by the day and want to buy quality western goods.
Look how well Germany is doing for example, selling them high quality engineering products, such as cars for example.
I personally don't see another country trying to better themselves a problem - however, I do have a problem (and I am speaking in layman's terms) - that the trade agreements that have been adopted by most countries, seems to be harmful to the markets in their own country... Example Australians buying fruit (oranges) from overseas, yet, where I used to live, orange orchards were using tippers to dispose of their fruit, because they couldn't sell them, and these were A grade products... and yet I would question the supermarket manager why 5mins away, oranges were being dumped and here you are advertising Oranges from USA.. I don't disagree with the importing and exporting of products, but I do find it hard to understand the cost to our own backyard... When younger, it was with national pride that our country could sustain itself, now... it's a different story...
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Iseek: As far as I am aware even in electronic banking the exchange rate would still apply, In other words the cost of changing Yuan/Yen to Dollar and in reverse.
Sure does. Now if you are paying for goods in a currency you already hold and never bothered converting after a previous trade then it would not apply. Or, if you are paying with an agreed upon currency that needs no conversion then that too would need no conversion.
As for your figure of China saving three billion dollars per year out of a total of twelve trillion the phrase 'drop in a bucket' comes to mind.
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The production of many products have move to Asian countries,simply coz the cost of producing is much cheaper than the so called WEST. The result is, the work force in the West to loose jobs and the unemployment rate sky rocketing particularly in EUzone and the US.Who's the beneficiary of the current situation???? Few are the beneficiaries in my opinion. The members on the board of the big corporations and their share holders,as well the Golden Boys.
bubbles2012: I personally don't see another country trying to better themselves a problem - however, I do have a problem (and I am speaking in layman's terms) - that the trade agreements that have been adopted by most countries, seems to be harmful to the markets in their own country... Example Australians buying fruit (oranges) from overseas, yet, where I used to live, orange orchards were using tippers to dispose of their fruit, because they couldn't sell them, and these were A grade products... and yet I would question the supermarket manager why 5mins away, oranges were being dumped and here you are advertising Oranges from USA.. I don't disagree with the importing and exporting of products, but I do find it hard to understand the cost to our own backyard... When younger, it was with national pride that our country could sustain itself, now... it's a different story...
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chris27292729: The production of many products have move to Asian countries,simply coz the cost of producing is much cheaper than the so called WEST. The result is, the work force in the West to loose jobs and the unemployment rate sky rocketing particularly in EUzone and the US.Who's the beneficiary of the current situation???? Few are the beneficiaries in my opinion. The members on the board of the big corporations and their share holders,as well the Golden Boys.
Isn't that the same throughout the world tho.....
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Albertaghost: Sure does. Now if you are paying for goods in a currency you already hold and never bothered converting after a previous trade then it would not apply. Or, if you are paying with an agreed upon currency that needs no conversion then that too would need no conversion.
As for your figure of China saving three billion dollars per year out of a total of twelve trillion the phrase 'drop in a bucket' comes to mind.
As for your figure of China saving three billion dollars per year out of a total of twelve trillion the phrase 'drop in a bucket' comes to mind.
Yes, and if we were all Chinese there would be no need for exchange rates/charges, Isn't that just tilling over old ground.
Perhaps, Maybe it's not the $3 billion! Maybe it's personal preference of Japan and China...
Who knows..
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Iseek: Yes, and if we were all Chinese there would be no need for exchange rates/charges, Isn't that just tilling over old ground.
Not really as today is a new age where electronic transactions are the norm. This is a relatively new phenomena.
Iseek: Perhaps, Maybe it's not the $3 billion! Maybe it's personal preference of Japan and China...
Who knows..
Who knows..
Or maybe they just trade a lot and this makes perfect sense for both of them. In any case, three billion for the second and third largest economies on the planet is hardly a reason to consider as harmful to anybody or noteworthy but rather makes things a lot easier for both of them.
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Albertaghost: Not really as today is a new age where electronic transactions are the norm. This is a relatively new phenomena.
Agree
Albertaghost:
Or maybe they just trade a lot and this makes perfect sense for both of them. In any case, three billion for the second and third largest economies on the planet is hardly a reason to consider as harmful to anybody or noteworthy but rather makes things a lot easier for both of them.
Or maybe they just trade a lot and this makes perfect sense for both of them. In any case, three billion for the second and third largest economies on the planet is hardly a reason to consider as harmful to anybody or noteworthy but rather makes things a lot easier for both of them.
Yep correct..
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Chinese people are not stupid in fact the opposite, they want better goods, and are willing to save and buy them, But buy Chinese rather than foreign as they believe it helps their economy.
Those that still believe that Chinese goods are rubbish should maybe take a look at their own household items, supposedly made in US, Japan or Europe, and most, if not all will have some connection with Chinese manufacturing, the quality of exported goods from China is far far better than most actually realise, and with the advancing of technology, soon they will be supplying goods traditionally made elsewhere with equal or better quality.
Example, Apple use China for almost all their products, are they rubbish?? Hardly as Apple is the richest company in the world.
ok the programme on tv was BS because it stated that some of chinas workers were working for there dinner, any way whats the human rights like over there?