Whats the difference here? A person must be logical..... Say my lover says he will fetch me at a certain time from somewhere, and I stand out in the cold waiting, he doesnt arrive. Logic says he should phone me and tell me why he is not coming. Emotion says "I'm gonna kill the sod when I see him"... eventually he arrives, 2 hrs late, I'm tired and frozen, he says "But baby my mate came to visit and I couldnt just leave him". Logic still says he could have phoned. Emotion says, "First get home, then kill him". The next day emotion says "Why did you leave me out in the cold for so long without even phoning?" His logic says "I told you why". Emotion says "I should be more understanding". Logic says "He keeps doing this, he aint gonna change". Emotion says "But I love him". Logic says "But can you trust him".
And that is going to be the story of life.....Logic versus Emotion
I would say, if Logic was important... he would have loaded the buddy and fetched me, if I was important enough. Emotion was what he went with, enjoying the buddy while I got tired and frozen.
Yes your paradigm was very good. You know smoky, people always fall in situations like the one you described...When there is a conflict between logic and emotion. Alas... The answer is never simple...I mean when it comes to be with someone, one of the two, (or both) do not understand that making a relationship demands SACRIFICE. The word "personal sacrifice" is lacking from the vocabulary of many people...I don't know why. Maybe because you must have guts to make a sacrifice. I would really like your opinion on that.
Never fear... when Smoky is near! She provides the answers to Life's Problems. PERSONAL SACRIFICE: Imagine being in love with someone who doesnt believe in THAT. Its a luxury to just climb out the bath and leave the dirty ring around it, huh? Grotty to have to take cleaning fluid and bend down and mess up your nice clean smelling hands and clean your grot from the bath and then rinse it out and then dry it nice and clean and shiny... for the next person.... Thats Personal Sacrifice. Imagine... going to take your bath, theres this grot stuck around the high water mark and grot along the bottom of the bath, the soaps all gooey from lying in water, the bathmat is scrunched up and wet, hairs stuck all over the place, towels lying in a heap, toilet not flushed....... Thats NOT Personal Sacrifice..... Thats Selfishness. (my opinion anyway) Scenario No 2.... You got the day off. Your partner is late for work. You dash down to the underground garage, extricate the auto and park it ready in front of the house for a quick get-away..... THATS Personal Sacrifice (you could have stayed buried under the duvet). In return, your partner drops off your library books for you after work, making them about half an hour late getting home, so you can have an un-interupted day off. THATS how Personal Sacrifice works.... Give a little, Take a little... all the way down the line.
What you think about that? To have a relationship that works, can only work on that principle? Otherwise you gonna have gross selfishness, with one person being the doormat, and the other wiping their feet!
Yes smoky i get your point... We had a talk with a friend two days ago and he told me the same. Give little, take little and work it out. Problem is that when i meet a person, i give EVERYTHING from the start and then, when the other gives me a little i get dissapointed. I know it's wrong but... I get excited when it comes to meet new people...
Hello my Cyber son! You such a clever person..... and now Aunty Smoky is going to give you some homework to do.........
Next time you meet someone you like.... take a BIG breath, LEAN BACK, RELAX, and wait for THEM to make an impression on YOU. Be cool, calm, and think "James Bond 007".
OR ... Look for Freeze's Thread on Tips for Men..... its the same thing actually... mine's just a bit shorter and easier to remember.
And then dont forget to let me know how it worked out.... okay?
Hi smoky,first thanks for sharing your experience.I like this forum but my work keep me busy.,that is why just poping in and out.cant stay away complete cause some of the school of thought here touches my daily life.Bear with me and thanks again for your advice
A long term relationship is a joint commitment, which includes sacrifices. No-one can "offer your sacrifices"... that is an illogical thought-wave...a sacrifice is something that is willingly offered by a person and that which affects the sacrifice donor, it cannot be offered by someone else.
If you had a partner who "offered your sacrifices".... do tell, how did this work? Did she tell people "I'm offering to do your laundry for you" and then call you "Mostdesired! you gotta go do Mrs Smith's laundry!" and you toddled along and did it? And you let this sort of thing go on and on? giving everything that she offered freely to others? If that was the scenario, no wonder you got a wasp up your butt now!
Commitment is not "forcibly reaching an agreement". If you go into business together with someone, you make commitments to your arrangement.... I do this, and you do that. Sacrifices work when you have commitment in your heart... its not a grudge bearing excercise.
May I make a suggestion here? Try reading right thru the threads before doing your postings.... because the way you go round in circles is a bit mind-numbing, and takes the fun out of this Forum.
Dear Smoky: Read slowly, breath seven times and reread again please. there is something which is called "irony". And there's also other thing called "sarcasm". So when i said for example that the only sacrifices she was willing to offer were mines i was saying in a funny and sarcastic way that the only one who was supposed to do sacrifices according to her point of view was me. I never said anything about actually having agreed to that nor having let that sort of thing going on. I am not that polite (that polite, for example, goes with enough sarcasm as to make the Moon land here on Geneva Lake) as you are, so i will not ask you if i may make a suggestion and then doing it without waiting for the answer... i will do it straight. you must know by now i don't like double messages nor hipocresy, right sweetheart? so next time if you don't want to play the ridicule, read my posting before expressing your opinion lady...or you will be giving all the fun back, looking so smart.
Dear Master of the Universe, Now YOU read slowly, preferably give up breathing altogether, and understand something here.... there is an art, ART, to being able to write with IRONY and SARCASM... and you do not have this ability. You are coming over as pathetic. I do not know what your mother-language is, but if you are attempting to write in English as a foster language, do not attempt Irony or Sarcasm, it is not possible without a full understanding of a language, because you have not the style to accomplish this. You are only making a fool of yourself.
So now I am "playing the ridicule" (?), have read your posting, expressed my opinion, and am now "giving all the fun back" to you... and Yes, I am looking smart too.... whatever that is supposed to mean.
And seeing that you want to refer to me as "Sweetheart"... try reading some of "Bigbossboom"s postings.... there was a MAN (I am assuming you ARE a man?... or at least a sort of a man?) who could use that word as it is supposed to be used. I am afraid that you have not the ability to use that word either, so suggest you leave that out of your vituperative vocabulary at the moment, it is not appreciated. I have words \I would like to use as endearments to you too... but this is a decent Forum, so will refrain from it... for now anyway.
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