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venere08: As one foreigner speaking to another, here I go again explaining something you have managed to convolute so well...
When I say 'up the road', I mean just that. We have many high quality large medical centres that bulk bill 12 hrs a day, 7 days a week in metropolitan areas, so high quality medical care at-no-cost-on-the-day (see, I didn't use 'free' - other than annual levy at income tax time, a dirty word in the U.S. I know - but then you're in Canada...)is available in these centres to EVERYONE regardless of income level. All you need to present is your Medicare card.
When I say 'up the road', I mean just that. We have many high quality large medical centres that bulk bill 12 hrs a day, 7 days a week in metropolitan areas, so high quality medical care at-no-cost-on-the-day (see, I didn't use 'free' - other than annual levy at income tax time, a dirty word in the U.S. I know - but then you're in Canada...)is available in these centres to EVERYONE regardless of income level. All you need to present is your Medicare card.
As I said, 'up the road' is not nearby when you have a large country with a half million miles of roads and a doctor shortage.
venere08:
As for the millions of miles of roads, along the way, even in the Red Centre, smack bang in the middle of the Aussie desert, you will find high quality medical care, and again, bulk-billing is the norm for low income earners especially.
As for the millions of miles of roads, along the way, even in the Red Centre, smack bang in the middle of the Aussie desert, you will find high quality medical care, and again, bulk-billing is the norm for low income earners especially.
""according to a 2010 survey by RDAA, 62% of rural Australians are experiencing a significant shortage of health professionals in their area; 52% of rural Australians are waiting one or more weeks for a routine appointment with their GP; 18% are waiting more than three weeks to see a GP; and, 63% were not able to receive a variety of health services in the past year because of a shortage or absence of health professionals in their area;""
venere08: Yes, I still maintain it is a storm in a teacup, by the way. Relatively speaking, looking at the broader picture, taking a long term view, thinking of the higher good, yadda yadda...
A trillion dollars is nothing to you?
As for higher good inciting doctor shortages, substandard services and higher costs, enriching corrupt officials by providing more tiers of control and reducing services is better huh.
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daggyone: I agree with bohemian as what did your original post have to do with Obamacare?
A response to your off topic thread killing comment which was designed to shut your contention down in order to get this thread back on track.
Now may we please?
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Oh... that wasn't you trolling in at post 201.. 
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bohemianjack: Oh... that wasn't you trolling in at post 201..
Sometimes life's Hell. But hey! Whatever gets the marshmallows toasty. ~J. Andrew Helt
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Nope. It was in direct reply to a poster who stated that simply because a government policy was in effect it was alright.
Now, about your non productive venture here on this thread with no other objective other than to attack a poster and not contribute subjectwise I hope this has clarified your error.
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Albertaghost: As I said, 'up the road' is not nearby when you have a large country with a half million miles of roads and a doctor shortage.
""according to a 2010 survey by RDAA, 62% of rural Australians are experiencing a significant shortage of health professionals in their area; 52% of rural Australians are waiting one or more weeks for a routine appointment with their GP; 18% are waiting more than three weeks to see a GP; and, 63% were not able to receive a variety of health services in the past year because of a shortage or absence of health professionals in their area;""
A trillion dollars is nothing to you?
As for higher good inciting doctor shortages, substandard services and higher costs, enriching corrupt officials by providing more tiers of control and reducing services is better huh.
""according to a 2010 survey by RDAA, 62% of rural Australians are experiencing a significant shortage of health professionals in their area; 52% of rural Australians are waiting one or more weeks for a routine appointment with their GP; 18% are waiting more than three weeks to see a GP; and, 63% were not able to receive a variety of health services in the past year because of a shortage or absence of health professionals in their area;""
A trillion dollars is nothing to you?
As for higher good inciting doctor shortages, substandard services and higher costs, enriching corrupt officials by providing more tiers of control and reducing services is better huh.
No-one is saying our system is perfect, which is why our government is continually addressing these issues, which is what President Obama is trying to do. And what an uproar it's caused. To think it had to get in front of the Supreme Court to get a ruling on whether these changes constitute a tax. Sheesh!
By the way, we have many Indian and some African doctors working here and they are doing a great job to fill our need especially in the regional areas of Australia. Our system isn't perfect but the main issues relate to us having a small population, not a lack of desire to address the shortages.
How about everyone let the new health changes take their course and see how it all pans out. Perhaps along the way, people might even notice some benefits, though I highly doubt that those with such blinkers on will ever allow themselves to do that.
But then you are in Canada, so you won't be directly affected.
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Albertaghost: As I said, 'up the road' is not nearby when you have a large country with a half million miles of roads and a doctor shortage.
""according to a 2010 survey by RDAA, 62% of rural Australians are experiencing a significant shortage of health professionals in their area; 52% of rural Australians are waiting one or more weeks for a routine appointment with their GP; 18% are waiting more than three weeks to see a GP; and, 63% were not able to receive a variety of health services in the past year because of a shortage or absence of health professionals in their area;""
A trillion dollars is nothing to you?
As for higher good inciting doctor shortages, substandard services and higher costs, enriching corrupt officials by providing more tiers of control and reducing services is better huh.
Well last time I looked, Australia has like a huge population along it's Eastern and Southern coastlines with next to nobody elsewhere that have the services of a fly in dr when needed.""according to a 2010 survey by RDAA, 62% of rural Australians are experiencing a significant shortage of health professionals in their area; 52% of rural Australians are waiting one or more weeks for a routine appointment with their GP; 18% are waiting more than three weeks to see a GP; and, 63% were not able to receive a variety of health services in the past year because of a shortage or absence of health professionals in their area;""
A trillion dollars is nothing to you?
As for higher good inciting doctor shortages, substandard services and higher costs, enriching corrupt officials by providing more tiers of control and reducing services is better huh.
obviously drs aren't in the town where there is 100 people, but the next town with 5000 people will have a dr or 2 and then the 50,000 people town will have the hospital and specialists.
Take Adelaide as a case in point, it is the city servicing SA, a vast state of some decent distances, but only as big as one of Sydney's or Melbournes regional towns. So many people from outlying areas fly into Adelaide for opps and specialists fly out to the regions, and then some have to fly to Melb or Sydney for major opps in the Childrens hospital or a bigger hospital. And yes, some opps are even performed in the US where they have the economies of scale and latest medical techniques or technology not yet implemented in Australia.
We do well considering the size of Australia is similar to that of the US but the population is the total that would be in one of the US's smaller states.
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daggyone: Well last time I looked, Australia has like a huge population along it's Eastern and Southern coastlines with next to nobody elsewhere that have the services of a fly in dr when needed.
obviously drs aren't in the town where there is 100 people, but the next town with 5000 people will have a dr or 2 and then the 50,000 people town will have the hospital and specialists.
obviously drs aren't in the town where there is 100 people, but the next town with 5000 people will have a dr or 2 and then the 50,000 people town will have the hospital and specialists.
Guess you didn't read. Here again;
""62% of rural Australians are experiencing a significant shortage of health professionals in their area; 52% of rural Australians are waiting one or more weeks for a routine appointment with their GP; 18% are waiting more than three weeks to see a GP; and, 63% were not able to receive a variety of health services in the past year because of a shortage or absence of health professionals in their area""
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venere08: No-one is saying our system is perfect, which is why our government is continually addressing these issues, which is what President Obama is trying to do.
Then why did he not allow the other half of government to contribute their ideas?
venere08: And what an uproar it's caused. To think it had to get in front of the Supreme Court to get a ruling on whether these changes constitute a tax. Sheesh!
When over half the people don't want it it shouldn't be surprising to see there is resistance.
venere08: By the way, we have many Indian and some African doctors working here and they are doing a great job to fill our need especially in the regional areas of Australia. Our system isn't perfect but the main issues relate to us having a small population, not a lack of desire to address the shortages.
Guess you didn't read the article I posted either. Again for you;
""a 2010 AIHW study found that around 4,600 rural Australians died unnecessarily between 2004 and 2006 because of where they live.
despite the desperate need for more doctors in rural Australia, fewer than 13% of medical graduates want to practice in rural areas and only 13% of these want to become a GP.
a 2008 study found that only 4.29% of medical graduates from two Queensland medical schools entered practice in a rural area;
as a result, over the last 10 years there has been a 4% decline in the number of Australian medical graduates in rural practice;
the situation is worse in NSW, despite the fact that it a higher proportion of people living in rural areas compared to many other States and Territories.""
So people dying because of a crappy system is alright with you. Golly, thought you guys were well underway to have it fixed yet the article explains it is getting worse.
venere08: How about everyone let the new health changes take their course and see how it all pans out. Perhaps along the way, people might even notice some benefits, though I highly doubt that those with such blinkers on will ever allow themselves to do that.
So people can die like they do in Australia because of a crappy system. Yes, let's let the changes occur rather than make a system that works properly.
venere08: But then you are in Canada, so you won't be directly affected.
Least I don't come from a place that has people dying for lack of a doctor and tout that we all ought to be more like that.
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Albertaghost: Guess you didn't read. Here again;
""62% of rural Australians are experiencing a significant shortage of health professionals in their area; 52% of rural Australians are waiting one or more weeks for a routine appointment with their GP; 18% are waiting more than three weeks to see a GP; and, 63% were not able to receive a variety of health services in the past year because of a shortage or absence of health professionals in their area""
""62% of rural Australians are experiencing a significant shortage of health professionals in their area; 52% of rural Australians are waiting one or more weeks for a routine appointment with their GP; 18% are waiting more than three weeks to see a GP; and, 63% were not able to receive a variety of health services in the past year because of a shortage or absence of health professionals in their area""
They're getting to see their doctor much quicker than I would see mine in the city!
I would have to wait about 4 to 6 weeks to get into my usual doctor and I have been with his centre for years. No matter. I just go up the road instead. Literally 3 houses up. I get an appointment that the same day if need be(re a bike accident last year, touch wood, ok otherwise). If I wanted to I could go 6 houses up the road, or I could walk 200 meters and get to 2 large medical centres.....In any case, you did say 'routine'. For anything non-routine, the person gets to be seen that day, though they might need to wait. Or be seen at the regional/rural hospital with no waiting time. I do know what I am talking about first hand, no need to turn to statistics.
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venere08: They're getting to see their doctor much quicker than I would see mine in the city! I would have to wait about 4 to 6 weeks to get into my usual doctor and I have been with his centre for years.
Four to six weeks to see a doctor? In the US prior to Obamacare you could get in within an hour.
Anyhow, for good reason;
""Dr. Dean Fisher, the chairman of the medical staff council at the hospital, has confirmed that funding problems have meant that many medical professionals have had to wait weeks and sometimes months to be paid for routine work and this has also affected other hospitals in the central-west.
In recent weeks there have been reports in the media of hospitals in the area running out of morphine, syringes and meat and fruit due to problems managing cashflow, which has resulted in suppliers cutting off supplies.
NSW Health Minister, John Della Bosca, says he is working to improve the cashflow problems in the Greater Western Area Health service (GWAHS), and he is now seeking better collaboration between clinicians and management so that such breakdowns are not repeated.
One of those owed money by the GWAHS, Heartland Security, had threatened to stop protecting nurses at Parkes Hospital if its outstanding bill was not paid - they were paid $6,000 overnight but at one stage were owed $10,000 and are concerned that the same could happen again.
The GWAHS is responsible for around 50 hospitals in the state's west and reportedly owes approximately $23 million to about 6,500 creditors.
Things are no better in the west with doctors saying the Emergency Department at the Royal Perth Hospital (RPH) is struggling to cope because of overcrowding and a shortage of beds.""
venere08:
No matter. I just go up the road instead. Literally 3 houses up. I get an appointment that the same day if need be(re a bike accident last year, touch wood, ok otherwise). If I wanted to I could go 6 houses up the road, or I could walk 200 meters and get to 2 large medical centres.....
In any case, you did say 'routine'. For anything non-routine, the person gets to be seen that day, though they might need to wait. Or be seen at the regional/rural hospital with no waiting time. I do know what I am talking about first hand, no need to turn to statistics.
No matter. I just go up the road instead. Literally 3 houses up. I get an appointment that the same day if need be(re a bike accident last year, touch wood, ok otherwise). If I wanted to I could go 6 houses up the road, or I could walk 200 meters and get to 2 large medical centres.....
In any case, you did say 'routine'. For anything non-routine, the person gets to be seen that day, though they might need to wait. Or be seen at the regional/rural hospital with no waiting time. I do know what I am talking about first hand, no need to turn to statistics.
Seems the Australian Doctor's article disagrees with you. Then again, they're only doctors in Australia so what would they know.
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I make an appointment here, I'm in to see a dr on the day.
Different situations anywhere.
We are blessed here and I wouldn't want to live anywhere else
Different situations anywhere.
We are blessed here and I wouldn't want to live anywhere else
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venere08: I don't 'trust' the news media, other than some very good sources provide well informed balanced points of view. Tell me though, how many of the millions who live there can actually make truly informed comments. Judging from comments on this thread, most of the Americans responding(I won't include Canadians as they don't live there and therefore cannot be considered as knowing what is going on in your country)there is little informed opinion, but mostly emotional, irrational rants. So I really don't know what advantage these people have over foreigners such as myself. At least I am making an effort to go to the original documents such as the PPACA and read them for myself(not in whole and very slowly I might add). How many non-foreigners are doing that?
You don't trust the news media other some you like, you mean those that agree with your views. Canadians, by their location, are a lot more qualified to have an idea of what is going on here. There are lots of them that come here for their medical treatment. I've read some articles by them about obamacare, one of them asked where they were to go after we get obamacare for their medical problems, another was told she was terminal and she couldn't get immediate treatment so she was going to die. She flew to Houston, had her operation, and went home in a few days, no problem. That system, and yours, has problems, just like any other government run program. When you read the bill pay attention to the part where government employees, with no medical training, will have the ability to determine whether or not individuals will be able to get life saving treatment or whether it costs too much, or they're too old, so they will just have to die.
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venere08: Ummm, sorry, but 'putting down' is what the likes of you are doing. It is us foreigners that are applauding what your President has achieved. Jeez.
All we see on this thread is one comment after another of Americans bagging their own President, the health reforms(while not perfect, but what is?) he is trying to implement and half of the population with it.
And you have the gall to point your twisted finger at foreigners who are taking the trouble to look think about these issues. And guess what, we take an avid interest in the rest of the world, especially the U.S. because we are still reeling from the global affects of how your banking system and big corporations, screwed the entire world over not too long ago.
A tad HypOcritical of you, don't you think
All we see on this thread is one comment after another of Americans bagging their own President, the health reforms(while not perfect, but what is?) he is trying to implement and half of the population with it.
And you have the gall to point your twisted finger at foreigners who are taking the trouble to look think about these issues. And guess what, we take an avid interest in the rest of the world, especially the U.S. because we are still reeling from the global affects of how your banking system and big corporations, screwed the entire world over not too long ago.
A tad HypOcritical of you, don't you think
You're supporting a president with the worst record in history and, as time passes, it's getting worse. Why would we be proud of record unemployment, record numbers in poverty, government debt skyrocketing, the largest tax increase in US history, etc., etc., etc. If you want to put the blame on us for what is going on in the world you're partially right, go back to what I said about our president. You should also look at all the nations where almost everything is controlled by the government, so many people want their government to take care of them, like you, and they don't realize that won't last. At least you finally admitted, by applauding what our president is doing, that you don't like the US and like to see it suffer. The truth comes out.
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venere08: No-one is saying our system is perfect, which is why our government is continually addressing these issues, which is what President Obama is trying to do. And what an uproar it's caused. To think it had to get in front of the Supreme Court to get a ruling on whether these changes constitute a tax. Sheesh!
By the way, we have many Indian and some African doctors working here and they are doing a great job to fill our need especially in the regional areas of Australia. Our system isn't perfect but the main issues relate to us having a small population, not a lack of desire to address the shortages.
How about everyone let the new health changes take their course and see how it all pans out. Perhaps along the way, people might even notice some benefits, though I highly doubt that those with such blinkers on will ever allow themselves to do that.
But then you are in Canada, so you won't be directly affected.
By the way, we have many Indian and some African doctors working here and they are doing a great job to fill our need especially in the regional areas of Australia. Our system isn't perfect but the main issues relate to us having a small population, not a lack of desire to address the shortages.
How about everyone let the new health changes take their course and see how it all pans out. Perhaps along the way, people might even notice some benefits, though I highly doubt that those with such blinkers on will ever allow themselves to do that.
But then you are in Canada, so you won't be directly affected.
So that's what we have to look forward to? I can call my doc, see him in a day or two, get treatment as soon as I need it. Why is your system better if you can't see a doctor,or get treatment when you need to? Some things can be cured if found early, can't be if not treated soon enough. We already have a doctor shortage in some areas, doctors don't like obamacare, some are going to retire early, medical students say they're going to change their major, guess that means we'll have to wait for services, and possibly die, with this new plan. Doesn't sound good to me.
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daggyone: Well last time I looked, Australia has like a huge population along it's Eastern and Southern coastlines with next to nobody elsewhere that have the services of a fly in dr when needed.
obviously drs aren't in the town where there is 100 people, but the next town with 5000 people will have a dr or 2 and then the 50,000 people town will have the hospital and specialists.
Take Adelaide as a case in point, it is the city servicing SA, a vast state of some decent distances, but only as big as one of Sydney's or Melbournes regional towns. So many people from outlying areas fly into Adelaide for opps and specialists fly out to the regions, and then some have to fly to Melb or Sydney for major opps in the Childrens hospital or a bigger hospital. And yes, some opps are even performed in the US where they have the economies of scale and latest medical techniques or technology not yet implemented in Australia.
We do well considering the size of Australia is similar to that of the US but the population is the total that would be in one of the US's smaller states.
obviously drs aren't in the town where there is 100 people, but the next town with 5000 people will have a dr or 2 and then the 50,000 people town will have the hospital and specialists.
Take Adelaide as a case in point, it is the city servicing SA, a vast state of some decent distances, but only as big as one of Sydney's or Melbournes regional towns. So many people from outlying areas fly into Adelaide for opps and specialists fly out to the regions, and then some have to fly to Melb or Sydney for major opps in the Childrens hospital or a bigger hospital. And yes, some opps are even performed in the US where they have the economies of scale and latest medical techniques or technology not yet implemented in Australia.
We do well considering the size of Australia is similar to that of the US but the population is the total that would be in one of the US's smaller states.
Another admission of a bad plan. You admit the smaller towns don't have any doctors, why not? Most do here. You admit your system doesn't have all the resources you need, some have to come to the US for treatment because Australia has not implemented the latest medical techniques or technology. I've heard that some expensive medical equipment isn't there in large enough quantity because the government doesn't want to spend the money to buy it. Sounds like a failed system to me.
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venere08: They're getting to see their doctor much quicker than I would see mine in the city! I would have to wait about 4 to 6 weeks to get into my usual doctor and I have been with his centre for years. No matter. I just go up the road instead. Literally 3 houses up. I get an appointment that the same day if need be(re a bike accident last year, touch wood, ok otherwise). If I wanted to I could go 6 houses up the road, or I could walk 200 meters and get to 2 large medical centres.....
In any case, you did say 'routine'. For anything non-routine, the person gets to be seen that day, though they might need to wait. Or be seen at the regional/rural hospital with no waiting time. I do know what I am talking about first hand, no need to turn to statistics.
In any case, you did say 'routine'. For anything non-routine, the person gets to be seen that day, though they might need to wait. Or be seen at the regional/rural hospital with no waiting time. I do know what I am talking about first hand, no need to turn to statistics.
I have a friend, a professor, that taught at a college in Australia for several years. He's retirement age so he moved back here, better medical service. Enough said.
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duckrew: Another admission of a bad plan. You admit the smaller towns don't have any doctors, why not? Most do here. You admit your system doesn't have all the resources you need, some have to come to the US for treatment because Australia has not implemented the latest medical techniques or technology. I've heard that some expensive medical equipment isn't there in large enough quantity because the government doesn't want to spend the money to buy it. Sounds like a failed system to me.
I doubt even a town in the US of 100 people or less would have a dr and I'm sure you have people from Canada, Mexico & Cuba all going to the US to have the opps your docs can perform that their limited resources can cope with?
But if you believe a dr should reside in a town of under 100 people 1000k's from the next town, then you have much more money than we do.
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duckrew: You're supporting a president with the worst record in history and, as time passes, it's getting worse. Why would we be proud of record unemployment, record numbers in poverty, government debt skyrocketing, the largest tax increase in US history, etc., etc., etc. If you want to put the blame on us for what is going on in the world you're partially right, go back to what I said about our president. You should also look at all the nations where almost everything is controlled by the government, so many people want their government to take care of them, like you, and they don't realize that won't last. At least you finally admitted, by applauding what our president is doing, that you don't like the US and like to see it suffer. The truth comes out.
I'd like to have known what the Republicans would have done that they hadn't already before Obama came in to clean up the mess that the Republicans had left him - A property bubble of over priced homes funded by greedy Republican sub prime mortgages with no equity, A banking system on the verge of bankruptcy, farms and businesses unable to compete on world markets without heavy subsidies.Had President Obama not done what he has, you would have been where Greece is at the moment.
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duckrew: So that's what we have to look forward to? I can call my doc, see him in a day or two, get treatment as soon as I need it. Why is your system better if you can't see a doctor,or get treatment when you need to? Some things can be cured if found early, can't be if not treated soon enough. We already have a doctor shortage in some areas, doctors don't like obamacare, some are going to retire early, medical students say they're going to change their major, guess that means we'll have to wait for services, and possibly die, with this new plan. Doesn't sound good to me.
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Ummm, sorry, but 'putting down' is what the likes of you are doing.
All we see on this thread is one comment after another of Americans bagging their own President, the health reforms(while not perfect, but what is?) he is trying to implement and half of the population with it.
And you have the gall to point your twisted finger at foreigners who are taking the trouble to look think about these issues. And guess what, we take an avid interest in the rest of the world, especially the U.S. because we are still reeling from the global affects of how your banking system and big corporations, screwed the entire world over not too long ago.
A tad HypOcritical of you, don't you think