Why Does God Give You Comfort? (39)
stringman: we are going to be accountable at the end of lifes journey.not every one will believe in GOD this is there choice and this is why we have a free will. GOD will not force anyone to believe in him that's not his way. GOD is in control.
With this belief of being judged and held accountable wouldn't god be more impressed by the genuine souls of good living Atheists who's morally good life styles came from a natural and uninfluenced free will and not driven by some self preserving fear ?
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hi laddie ow are you and the missus doing??so glad you found someone...i was worried you was gonna die stiff...
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yeah not good to live in fear like someone is always watching....be free to be free...
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Why does God give us comfort? Because He loves us, and He wants the best for us.
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UNOPLUMMAGE: hi laddie ow are you and the missus doing??so glad you found someone...i was worried you was gonna die stiff...
yo bro ...
All is good thanks, together here in Edinburgh now .....
I'm not around on here as much these days, understandably.
Have you just recently returned ? Hope life is treating you well.
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Conrad73: so,how come he forbade Adam and Eve to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil?
How would they make Choices between Good and Evil if they had no knowledge of the Difference?
How would they make Choices between Good and Evil if they had no knowledge of the Difference?
well i guess you could say that this was there first test of obeying GOD's word. they did not know they had it made there.remember they where decieved by the devil just like we are being decieved today by the same devil.
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RDM59: With this belief of being judged and held accountable wouldn't god be more impressed by the genuine souls of good living Atheists who's morally good life styles came from a natural and uninfluenced free will and not driven by some self preserving fear ?
first of all atheists don't believe in GOD do they? GOD said I am truth the way and the light the only way to heaven is through ME. people who know GOD and have faith in GOD do nor fear him for he is a GOD of love and forgiveness.
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RDM59: With this belief of being judged and held accountable wouldn't god be more impressed by the genuine souls of good living Atheists who's morally good life styles came from a natural and uninfluenced free will and not driven by some self preserving fear ?
hiya R, M,...lovely to see you on here.
jono
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i think 'god' is something man invented to explain those things which he could not explain. each religion, culturally defined to provide support in times of fear and confusion. but pretty much all the same...for the same reasons.
i do think there's universal energy, in constant change, and we're all part of it.
but i don't need the dogma of religion to tell me how to feel it, or
live my life.
and if the belief in a given religion provides 'support' or 'comfort' i think that's a good thing....till it becomes support or comfort to justify acts which have hurt others.
i do think there's universal energy, in constant change, and we're all part of it.
but i don't need the dogma of religion to tell me how to feel it, or
live my life.
and if the belief in a given religion provides 'support' or 'comfort' i think that's a good thing....till it becomes support or comfort to justify acts which have hurt others.
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scriobhneoir: Okay as someone who believes god is a fictional character from an ancient story book,I am just curious asto what comfort people here get from their belief in god. This is a genuine question because as a proud non-believer I find the comfort people get from it intriguing.
I don't know about the " Comfort " part but if he starts to hand out Southern Comfort then you might sway me to that side . . .
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Yabut so does mac and cheese...just sayin
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Rumple4skin: There are collective & individual reasons why faith makes a community or a person more enduring.
Someone equated Socialism to a faith and in a sense, just like religion, Socialism attempts to create a union & kinship between Human Beings. However, Socialism is not at all religious because it is solely concerned with material well-being, it has inherently aspiritual. What good is the redistribution of wealth to the eternal soul?
Someone equated Socialism to a faith and in a sense, just like religion, Socialism attempts to create a union & kinship between Human Beings. However, Socialism is not at all religious because it is solely concerned with material well-being, it has inherently aspiritual. What good is the redistribution of wealth to the eternal soul?
But most socialists are also non believers, we don't believe in eternal life so the question doesn't really bother us. When I die I'll either be cremated or my corpse will rot in the ground. It's too late for us to do anything at that stage. That's what I believe anyway.
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jono7:
i do think there's universal energy, in constant change, and we're all part of it.
but i don't need the dogma of religion to tell me how to feel it, or
live my life.
and if the belief in a given religion provides 'support' or 'comfort' i think that's a good thing....till it becomes support or comfort to justify acts which have hurt others.
i do think there's universal energy, in constant change, and we're all part of it.
but i don't need the dogma of religion to tell me how to feel it, or
live my life.
and if the belief in a given religion provides 'support' or 'comfort' i think that's a good thing....till it becomes support or comfort to justify acts which have hurt others.
I agree with all of that.
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stringman: well i guess you could say that this was there first test of obeying GOD's word. they did not know they had it made there.remember they where decieved by the devil just like we are being decieved today by the same devil.
yeah,Right!They wouldn't even have known how to obey!
Remember,they had no knowledge of Good or Evil!
They were programmed Automatons!
A programmed Automaton can't do Right or Wrong!
****
Your code begins by damning man as evil, then demands that he practice a good which it defines as impossible for him to practice. It demands, as his first proof of virtue, that he accept his own depravity without proof. It demands that he start, not with a standard of value, but with a standard of evil, which is himself, by means of which he is then to define the good: the good is that which he is not.
It does not matter who then becomes the profiteer on his renounced glory and tormented soul, a mystic God with some incomprehensible design or any passer-by whose rotting sores are held as some inexplicable claim upon him—it does not matter, the good is not for him to understand, his duty is to crawl through years of penance, atoning for the guilt of his existence to any stray collector of unintelligible debts, his only concept of a value is a zero: the good is that which is non-man.
The name of this monstrous absurdity is Original Sin.
A sin without volition is a slap at morality and an insolent contradiction in terms: that which is outside the possibility of choice is outside the province of morality. If man is evil by birth, he has no will, no power to change it; if he has no will, he can be neither good nor evil; a robot is amoral. To hold, as man’s sin, a fact not open to his choice is a mockery of morality. To hold man’s nature as his sin is a mockery of nature. To punish him for a crime he committed before he was born is a mockery of justice. To hold him guilty in a matter where no innocence exists is a mockery of reason. To destroy morality, nature, justice and reason by means of a single concept is a feat of evil hardly to be matched. Yet that is the root of your code.
Do not hide behind the cowardly evasion that man is born with free will, but with a “tendency” to evil. A free will saddled with a tendency is like a game with loaded dice. It forces man to struggle through the effort of playing, to bear responsibility and pay for the game, but the decision is weighted in favor of a tendency that he had no power to escape. If the tendency is of his choice, he cannot possess it at birth; if it is not of his choice, his will is not free.
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pedro27: pagan boy
You seriously need to learn the difference between a pagan and an atheist.
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stringman: first of all atheists don't believe in GOD do they? GOD said I am truth the way and the light the only way to heaven is through ME. people who know GOD and have faith in GOD do nor fear him for he is a GOD of love and forgiveness.
Yes you are right of course, Atheists do not believe but lets just pretend they are wrong for a minute, for the sake of this thread topic OK
As far as I am aware the church leaders have made claim ( for as long as was possible ) that the only way to heaven and god was through themselves and that if one didn't believe, pay them land taxes and make donations then one's soul would go to hell. And in medieval times being put to death was an alternative choice.
Now where is the comfort and compassion from a blackmail tactic to that degree ? It was all about gaining control and power through fear, not a mention of free will and the likes IMO.
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jono7: hiya R, M,...lovely to see you on here.
jono
jono
Hi jono ... ditto ....
... hope all is good with you and yours too. 
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Conrad73: yeah,Right!
They wouldn't even have known how to obey!
Remember,they had no knowledge of Good or Evil!
They were programmed Automatons!
A programmed Automaton can't do Right or Wrong!
****
Your code begins by damning man as evil, then demands that he practice a good which it defines as impossible for him to practice. It demands, as his first proof of virtue, that he accept his own depravity without proof. It demands that he start, not with a standard of value, but with a standard of evil, which is himself, by means of which he is then to define the good: the good is that which he is not.
It does not matter who then becomes the profiteer on his renounced glory and tormented soul, a mystic God with some incomprehensible design or any passer-by whose rotting sores are held as some inexplicable claim upon him—it does not matter, the good is not for him to understand, his duty is to crawl through years of penance, atoning for the guilt of his existence to any stray collector of unintelligible debts, his only concept of a value is a zero: the good is that which is non-man.
The name of this monstrous absurdity is Original Sin.
A sin without volition is a slap at morality and an insolent contradiction in terms: that which is outside the possibility of choice is outside the province of morality. If man is evil by birth, he has no will, no power to change it; if he has no will, he can be neither good nor evil; a robot is amoral. To hold, as man’s sin, a fact not open to his choice is a mockery of morality. To hold man’s nature as his sin is a mockery of nature. To punish him for a crime he committed before he was born is a mockery of justice. To hold him guilty in a matter where no innocence exists is a mockery of reason. To destroy morality, nature, justice and reason by means of a single concept is a feat of evil hardly to be matched. Yet that is the root of your code.
Do not hide behind the cowardly evasion that man is born with free will, but with a “tendency” to evil. A free will saddled with a tendency is like a game with loaded dice. It forces man to struggle through the effort of playing, to bear responsibility and pay for the game, but the decision is weighted in favor of a tendency that he had no power to escape. If the tendency is of his choice, he cannot possess it at birth; if it is not of his choice, his will is not free.
They wouldn't even have known how to obey!
Remember,they had no knowledge of Good or Evil!
They were programmed Automatons!
A programmed Automaton can't do Right or Wrong!
****
Your code begins by damning man as evil, then demands that he practice a good which it defines as impossible for him to practice. It demands, as his first proof of virtue, that he accept his own depravity without proof. It demands that he start, not with a standard of value, but with a standard of evil, which is himself, by means of which he is then to define the good: the good is that which he is not.
It does not matter who then becomes the profiteer on his renounced glory and tormented soul, a mystic God with some incomprehensible design or any passer-by whose rotting sores are held as some inexplicable claim upon him—it does not matter, the good is not for him to understand, his duty is to crawl through years of penance, atoning for the guilt of his existence to any stray collector of unintelligible debts, his only concept of a value is a zero: the good is that which is non-man.
The name of this monstrous absurdity is Original Sin.
A sin without volition is a slap at morality and an insolent contradiction in terms: that which is outside the possibility of choice is outside the province of morality. If man is evil by birth, he has no will, no power to change it; if he has no will, he can be neither good nor evil; a robot is amoral. To hold, as man’s sin, a fact not open to his choice is a mockery of morality. To hold man’s nature as his sin is a mockery of nature. To punish him for a crime he committed before he was born is a mockery of justice. To hold him guilty in a matter where no innocence exists is a mockery of reason. To destroy morality, nature, justice and reason by means of a single concept is a feat of evil hardly to be matched. Yet that is the root of your code.
Do not hide behind the cowardly evasion that man is born with free will, but with a “tendency” to evil. A free will saddled with a tendency is like a game with loaded dice. It forces man to struggle through the effort of playing, to bear responsibility and pay for the game, but the decision is weighted in favor of a tendency that he had no power to escape. If the tendency is of his choice, he cannot possess it at birth; if it is not of his choice, his will is not free.
Conrad, can I take it then that you are a conservative atheist? Like Ayn Rand indeed, who you reference.
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Sorry to hear about that.
I'm glad you found a way to cope, it can't have been easy for you.