U.S. Battery Company is Sold to China ( Archived) (38)

Dec 10, 2012 10:22 PM CST U.S. Battery Company is Sold to China
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
The Detroit News reports that China’s Wanxiang Group Corporation will acquire almost all of bankrupt A123 Systems Inc. for $256 million. The deal includes all of the American battery manufacturer’s grid and commercial business assets as well as the company’s facilities in Michigan, Massachusetts and Missouri. Meanwhile, Woodridge, Illinois-based Navitas Systems will purchase all of A123 Systems’ government contracts for $2.25 million.

Previously, Johnson Controls (An American owned company) was a leading bidder for the bankrupt EV battery manufacturer, but that company withdrew its bids from the bankruptcy auction after declining to match Wanxiang’s highest bid (Johnsons bid was $5 Million below Wanxiang's). But the final sale will be subject to approval by the bankruptcy court handling the case in Delaware, and some members of Congress have reportedly raised concerns over the sale.

Rep. Bill Huizenga, R-Michigan, said he was concerned about Wanxiang taking over A123 Systems because of the battery maker’s close ties with the US Defense Department. Huizenga has been quoted as saying, “I am concerned about the government of China having access to sensitive technologies being used by our military forces.”

This isn’t the first time we’ve heard those rumblings. Back in August, several US automotive executives said Wanxiang’s purchase of A123 Systems could put industry trade secrets at risk, including cutting-edge lithium-ion battery technology. Likewise, November saw US senators John Thune, R-South Dakota, and Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, raise concerns over the Chinese company’s interest in the bankrupt battery maker.


Prior to A123's bankruptcy filing, Wanxiang attempted to purchase an 80 percent stake in the battery maker for $465 million.


A123 Systems received bailout money from U.S. Taxpayers, 24 months ago. Now they are being bought by China. The above offer of $465 Million is $200 Million more dollars that was offered prior to the bankrupcy filing. Why was the offer refused??? Now they will most likely own the company and Americans will be working for the Chinese! I wonder, do these Americans want to work for the Chinese?
Why was China even allowed to bid? Will the jobs remain here or shut down and moved to China where labor is cheaper?? This does not settle well with me.

How do YOU feel about it?

HLwow
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Dec 11, 2012 2:36 AM CST U.S. Battery Company is Sold to China
moisheri
moisherimoisheriParis, Hauts-de-France France4 Threads 74 Posts
may be the army will be the next item in the auction
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Dec 11, 2012 8:22 AM CST U.S. Battery Company is Sold to China
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
moisheri: may be the army will be the next item in the auction



They have probably already been auctioned off to the U.N. in the Patriot Act.

HLsad flower
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Dec 11, 2012 8:42 AM CST U.S. Battery Company is Sold to China
Rumple4skin
Rumple4skinRumple4skinStoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England UK4 Threads 1 Polls 980 Posts
If It can be outsourced it will be outsourced. Generally, White people are just not worth employing unless you absolutely HAVE to.

Look at it from the view of business; you have the modern White westerner, who is on average arguably the laziest, most impractical and silliest person to ever grace the Earth, then you have the Orientals in the East who work hard, are thrifty, sensible and study all the right things.

Which side would you invest in?
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Dec 11, 2012 9:31 AM CST U.S. Battery Company is Sold to China
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
Those american workers should be happy if the factories are not going to be dismantled and the company sold by parts, as happens in some bankrupts.
What warrants have the U.S.A. of this won't happen?
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Dec 11, 2012 9:37 AM CST U.S. Battery Company is Sold to China
Godsgift
GodsgiftGodsgiftEnnis, Clare Ireland251 Threads 13 Polls 10,040 Posts
GUZMAN1: Those american workers should be happy if the factories are not going to be dismantled and the company sold by parts, as happens in some bankrupts.
What warrants have the U.S.A. of this won't happen?


It's simple free market economics which the USA has always championed. I wonder how many of the people who share these sentiments bought Japanese cars and electronic goods in the past. conversing
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Dec 11, 2012 9:46 AM CST U.S. Battery Company is Sold to China
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Rumple4skin: If It can be outsourced it will be outsourced. Generally, White people are just not worth employing unless you absolutely HAVE to.

Look at it from the view of business; you have the modern White westerner, who is on average arguably the laziest, most impractical and silliest person to ever grace the Earth, then you have the Orientals in the East who work hard, are thrifty, sensible and study all the right things.

Which side would you invest in?


I shouldn't worry too much, it's a drop in the ocean.
The biggest owner of America's business in the UK and Europe
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Dec 11, 2012 9:46 AM CST U.S. Battery Company is Sold to China
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
tomcatwarne: I shouldn't worry too much, it's a drop in the ocean.
The biggest owner of America's business in the UK and Europe


Despite the notoriety of Japanese investors, the British have the largest U.S. direct investment holding—with the Dutch not far behind—as has been the case since colonial times. In 1990 the United Kingdom held about 27 percent of foreign direct investment in the United States, significantly greater than Japan's 21 percent. The European Economic Community (EC) collectively holds about 57 percent. Moreover, according to research by Eric Rosengren, between 1978 and 1987, Japanese investors acquired only 94 U.S. companies, putting them fifth behind the British (640), Canadians (435), Germans (150), and French (113).
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Dec 11, 2012 9:47 AM CST U.S. Battery Company is Sold to China
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
GUZMAN1: Those american workers should be happy if the factories are not going to be dismantled and the company sold by parts, as happens in some bankrupts.
What warrants have the U.S.A. of this won't happen?



No guarrantees at all Guz.

There is more for these American workers to consider at this buyout.
I had a friend working for one of the Cola companies in Chicago for over 30 years. He was up in the ranks. The company was bought out by the Japanese. His workload was increased beyond measure, so much that he could no longer keep up with the demand. They FIRED him so they would not have to pay him his retirement benefits!!! They did this to many.

HLsad flower
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Dec 11, 2012 9:49 AM CST U.S. Battery Company is Sold to China
metaloona
metaloonametaloonaSouthend-on-Sea, Essex, England UK3 Threads 52 Posts
Hey healthyliving

I quote this section of your report

Rep. Bill Huizenga, R-Michigan, said he was concerned about Wanxiang taking over A123 Systems because of the battery maker’s close ties with the US Defense Department. Huizenga has been quoted as saying, “I am concerned about the government of China having access to sensitive technologies being used by our military forces.”

Sensitive technologies issue ?

The U.S. miltary has known for quite some time that they have a quality control problem with the microchips they've been buying in China. A 2005 report from the Defense Science Board warned that in buying weapon circuitry overseas, "trojan horse" chips could find their way into American weapons, potentially prompting missiles to detonate early or computers to shut down in the event of an attack

Think the USA as a big problem, with issues like this?
an its not just the USA
Think it's called the quick buck fix?
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Dec 11, 2012 10:07 AM CST U.S. Battery Company is Sold to China
Rumple4skin
Rumple4skinRumple4skinStoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England UK4 Threads 1 Polls 980 Posts
Godsgift: Time to get the pointy white bedsheet on. There's a few crosses to be burned it seems.


If any Western politic is responsible for murder than it is you bunch of Liberal clowns with your debt, your decadence and your incapacity to do a real job.

I've nothing but respect for the other races that so uncomprisingly expose White decadence & inadequacy.
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Dec 11, 2012 10:15 AM CST U.S. Battery Company is Sold to China
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
Rumple4skin: If any Western politic is responsible for murder than it is you bunch of Liberal clowns with your debt, your decadence and your incapacity to do a real job.

I've nothing but respect for the other races that so uncomprisingly expose White decadence & inadequacy.



Chill out Grench!!!

I believe you are misinterpreting Godsgift's post.

Please don't fight!

HLpeace
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Dec 11, 2012 10:24 AM CST U.S. Battery Company is Sold to China
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
metaloona: Hey healthyliving

I quote this section of your report

Rep. Bill Huizenga, R-Michigan, said he was concerned about Wanxiang taking over A123 Systems because of the battery maker’s close ties with the US Defense Department. Huizenga has been quoted as saying, “I am concerned about the government of China having access to sensitive technologies being used by our military forces.”

Sensitive technologies issue ?

The U.S. miltary has known for quite some time that they have a quality control problem with the microchips they've been buying in China. A 2005 report from the Defense Science Board warned that in buying weapon circuitry overseas, "trojan horse" chips could find their way into American weapons, potentially prompting missiles to detonate early or computers to shut down in the event of an attack

Think the USA as a big problem, with issues like this?
an its not just the USA
Think it's called the quick buck fix?



Of course we have Huge Problems with our sensitive information being compromised. Who in their right minds would order microchips from China or any other country for that matter, to use in our Defense Programs??? Only the idiots in charge who WANT the compromise to occurr.

Surely your point of sabbotage is likely. Good point, and thank you for posting!

HLhandshake
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Dec 11, 2012 10:37 AM CST U.S. Battery Company is Sold to China
Rumple4skin
Rumple4skinRumple4skinStoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England UK4 Threads 1 Polls 980 Posts
tomcatwarne: I shouldn't worry too much, it's a drop in the ocean.
The biggest owner of America's business in the UK and Europe


We should not worry that near all productive enterprises are being concentrated into a few multi-nationals whom then transfer all productive jobs to non-western nations leaving the Western nations, some more than others, debt-ridden and lacking the very means of survival?

What happens when it's no longer in the self-interest of non-western export nations to massively over value western currency because they have developed their own domestic consumption?

What happens when our currency devaluates and we can longer import what we need to survive & don't have the domestic production to make these things ourselves?

What happens when the innocent and new generation has to pay for a half century of failure & weakness?

Collapse, despair, radicalism, extremism and deaths, thousands if not millions of deaths.
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Dec 11, 2012 10:42 AM CST U.S. Battery Company is Sold to China
stringman
stringmanstringmanwallaceburg, Ontario Canada649 Threads 1 Polls 7,049 Posts
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Dec 11, 2012 10:49 AM CST U.S. Battery Company is Sold to China
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
Rumple4skin: We should not worry that near all productive enterprises are being concentrated into a few multi-nationals whom then transfer all productive jobs to non-western nations leaving the Western nations, some more than others, debt-ridden and lacking the very means of survival?

What happens when it's no longer in the self-interest of non-western export nations to massively over value western currency because they have developed their own domestic consumption?

What happens when our currency devaluates and we can longer import what we need to survive & don't have the domestic production to make these things ourselves?

What happens when the innocent and new generation has to pay for a half century of failure & weakness?

Collapse, despair, radicalism, extremism and deaths, thousands if not millions of deaths.



So sad, but TRUE.
This is their plan, to bleed US dry and then be rid of US.
In their eyes, we are expendable. Kill US off like cattle off to the slaughter. It's so plain to see these days.

Such greedy hearts they have and a great lack of LOVE!

HLsad flower
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Dec 11, 2012 10:52 AM CST U.S. Battery Company is Sold to China
metaloona
metaloonametaloonaSouthend-on-Sea, Essex, England UK3 Threads 52 Posts
HealthyLiving: Of course we have Huge Problems with our sensitive information being compromised. Who in their right minds would order microchips from China or any other country for that matter, to use in our Defense Programs??? Only the idiots in charge who WANT the compromise to occurr.

Surely your point of sabbotage is likely. Good point, and thank you for posting!

HL


Thanks HL
Also corruption would I think be involved,
Corruption is riff in China,
they just don't hide it as well has us in the west.
Here in the UK we have investigations in to
Rolls Royce
Jaguar
Range Rover
concerning deals with Chinese officials?
and many more company's
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Dec 11, 2012 10:58 AM CST U.S. Battery Company is Sold to China
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
stringman: http://youtu.be/Jsz6Xa5Xeq4


Stringman, that video is a year old.
Senator Levin states that China is providing most of the Counterfeit parts, actually 40% are.

Levin states that this must be immediately ended, yet it still is happening!!!frustrated The Chinese Government will not allow investigators in. These contracts need to be Broken!!!

American contractors are buying them and supplying them to the U.S. Government. Any moron knows to STOP buying when risks like this are so high.

The Defense Department is in bed with these contractors.

HLvery mad
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Dec 11, 2012 11:02 AM CST U.S. Battery Company is Sold to China
Rumple4skin
Rumple4skinRumple4skinStoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England UK4 Threads 1 Polls 980 Posts
HealthyLiving: So sad, but TRUE.
This is their plan, to bleed US dry and then be rid of US.
In their eyes, we are expendable. Kill US off like cattle off to the slaughter. It's so plain to see these days.

Such greedy hearts they have and a great lack of LOVE!

HL


We're all party to this system, HL. This is the tragedy. We enabled them to do this by our very thoughts, attitudes and actions.

To change the corporate world and our grim position would require a fundamental change in how we are as Human beings. Everyone must help, rich or poor, this is no class war that we face today, this is a fight for our very existence.
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Dec 11, 2012 11:19 AM CST U.S. Battery Company is Sold to China
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
Rumple4skin: We're all party to this system, HL. This is the tragedy. We enabled them to do this by our very thoughts, attitudes and actions.

To change the corporate world and our grim position would require a fundamental change in how we are as Human beings. Everyone must help, rich or poor, this is no class war that we face today, this is a fight for our very existence.



Actions??? Or lack thereof... APATHY!! And IGNORANCE by those who are being Duped!

You are absolutely Correct.

So we need to Stop SHOPPING!!wow
You really don't need all of those new TOYS!motorcycle guitar playball listen to music

Grow your own food and trade foods with neighbors and only eat what you need to survive.coffee burger pizza drinking wine cheers

Buy from your local businesses and Do NOT support Big Corporations!

Stay on the Internettyping doing research and learning what you need to know. Be sure to share in the CS Forums and interact with others about what you know and what you need to know.

HLhug
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