galrads: Why the label "idiot"? Are you one? Oh, and Thank you for your strong opinions. I respectfully disagree with everything you say. Get a grip on reality, puh...lease.
You need to get a grip on reality. This issue is about gun control, and you are against gun control. So you apparently happily watch the reports about 20 kindergarteners murdered by someone with legally obtained guns. And you say, like an idiot, that guns are not for killing. If you are not an idiot, why are you saying something so idiotic? I won't refrain from anything. You and people like you have the blood of these little children on your hands. May you burn in hell.
Scubadiva: I resent the comment that I should have blood on my hands. Get a grip, lady.
Don't care what you resent. The reality is that if not for the NRA and the gun lobby, these children would be alive today. You all have their blood on your hands.
CHOLENA: Don't care what you resent. The reality is that if not for the NRA and the gun lobby, these children would be alive today. You all have their blood on your hands.
What a hateful soul. trying to shame those you know nothing about. It would be like me blaming you for the petroleum that chokes this world because of where you live. I know better and so should you.
CHOLENA: You need to get a grip on reality. This issue is about gun control, and you are against gun control. So you apparently happily watch the reports about 20 kindergarteners murdered by someone with legally obtained guns. And you say, like an idiot, that guns are not for killing. If you are not an idiot, why are you saying something so idiotic? I won't refrain from anything. You and people like you have the blood of these little children on your hands. May you burn in hell.
Since you choose to refer to people in this thread as being idiots I have banned you.
tomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
Ccincy: Since you choose to refer to people in this thread as being idiots I have banned you.
Not everything in the world is about America, although Americans tend to think CS is their thing and not an international site. My sympathies go to the families involves in this latest gun incident, these events were not unique to America, but other countries have addressed the situation.
In the UK and Ireland, no private ownership of guns is allowed, not even gun clubs, the result is an eradication of these type of incidents and homicides involving guns.
On the other hand Finland has more guns per capita than anywhere in the western world, but incidents involving guns are an extreme rarity.
I don't know what the answer is for the US because the gun is so ingrained in the American psyche, all I can say is be prepared for more incidents like the one that just happened. Just a Europeans point of view.
curly28: I agree with you same here in Australia after the massacare at Port Author Tasmania Australia. Our gun laws changed for the better a complete ban on them for the average Joe to be allowed to own a gun in their home. America wake up this is an ongoing saga in schools and public places like shopping malls etc! Everyone is allowed to carry a gun. It's so sad poor little children
I agree with what you say.I heard sometime ago that it was ok if people carried a gun in churches.I couldn't believe it.
Something really needs to be done and the lawmakers need to get off their duffs and put a a ban on guns in someones home etc.
A friend of mine told that they've been tightening up on security in schools here in Ohio.
I'd like to ask our political figures how much longer are they going to allow anymore shootings befoe they start doing something.
Yes, it's clear... I can see the difference in the way of thinking across the ocean and in Europe with regard to this. This sad story is also debated by my friends on Facebook.
On Facebook, among my European friends, there is a total agreement, concerning the revising of the guns policy and laws in USA. All comments are centered around the "today is not the day" White House statement and the common idea is "when".
Yes, it's a tragedy and we are all sorry for what happened and we all think of the kids that died and their families. But something has to be done and that is fast.
curly28Perth, Western Australia Australia5,450 posts
Ccincy: I agree with what you say.I heard sometime ago that it was ok if people carried a gun in churches.I couldn't believe it.
Something really needs to be done and the lawmakers need to get off their duffs and put a a ban on guns in someones home etc. A friend of mine told that they've been tightening up on security in schools here in Ohio.
I'd like to ask our political figures how much longer are they going to allow anymore shootings befoe they start doing something.
Well it seems to be working ok here nothing is ever certain but crikey every man and his dog owning a gun that is a very scary thought , the world is getting angry and scarier more & more every day to live in
I do know that it feels safer to walk the streets knowing there is less chance of someone out there with a gun , there will always be a black market & there are people here in Aussie land that have guns when they are illegal , but still it's way better than everyone allowing to have one in their homes. I just know I felt heaps safer when they changed the gun laws here and most folks I had talked to did too. I do hope something positive happens to try to slove the gun laws in America.
jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
tomcatwarne: In the UK and Ireland, no private ownership of guns is allowed, not even gun clubs, the result is an eradication of these type of incidents and homicides involving guns.
On the other hand Finland has more guns per capita than anywhere in the western world, but incidents involving guns are an extreme rarity.
This supports the point I was trying to make, thank you Tom.
If in some places gun possession is frequent, but the incidence of gun crime is similar to places with strict gun control, then to argue 'guns vs no guns' is an incomplete argument and therefore somewhat pointless.
What is it about the culture of certain places whereby gun crime is frequent? This to me is the bit that people should be worried about - the structure, or mentality of the whole culture.
I also think that if removing firearms from a society which has lost control of its ethical code in some way(s), such that gun crime has become a frequent issue, this should be considered as an option. I find it worrying that many can't even view the subject of removing the right to bear arms as a theoretical exercise and is possibly indicative of some of the underlying culture which may be causal.
jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
curly28: Well it seems to be working ok here nothing is ever certain but crikey every man and his dog owning a gun that is a very scary thought , the world is getting angry and scarier more & more every day to live in
I do know that it feels safer to walk the streets knowing there is less chance of someone out there with a gun , there will always be a black market & there are people here in Aussie land that have guns when they are illegal , but still it's way better than everyone allowing to have one in their homes. I just know I felt heaps safer when they changed the gun laws here and most folks I had talked to did too. I do hope something positive happens to try to slove the gun laws in America.
So, it can be done and result in a positive outcome. Good.
What is preventing this from happening in other cultures with an equally positive outcome?
China school knife attack in Henan injures 22 childrenA man with a knife has wounded 22 children - at least two of them seriously - and an adult at a primary school in central China.
I'm not sure of the case you're trying to argue here, Conrad.
If we compare the two cases - 18 children dead vs 22 children injured, that would lean towards the weapons available having an impact on the gravity of the incident, given a similar incidence of attack.
I realise that's no excuse not to tackle other possible causal factors, but it doesn't negate looking at the incidence of firearms within a culture.
Ccincy: I agree with what you say.I heard sometime ago that it was ok if people carried a gun in churches.I couldn't believe it.
Something really needs to be done and the lawmakers need to get off their duffs and put a a ban on guns in someones home etc. A friend of mine told that they've been tightening up on security in schools here in Ohio.
I'd like to ask our political figures how much longer are they going to allow anymore shootings befoe they start doing something.
Like finally enforcing all the Laws that are on the Books now?
Conrad73: Like finally enforcing all the Laws that are on the Books now?
That's the big problem Conrad they never have and most likely never will enforce them.That would be too much like really protecting the people.It's like they're enjoying all this crap going on and try to act so caring infront of the camera when something happens.
All our government does is make laws and spend alot money while they hash them out but then I guess bury them and never use them.
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You need to get a grip on reality. This issue is about gun control, and you are against gun control. So you apparently happily watch the reports about 20 kindergarteners murdered by someone with legally obtained guns. And you say, like an idiot, that guns are not for killing. If you are not an idiot, why are you saying something so idiotic? I won't refrain from anything. You and people like you have the blood of these little children on your hands. May you burn in hell.