Anyone had successful experience of getting a Filipina friend into Spain ? (36)

Dec 28, 2012 4:34 PM CST Anyone had successful experience of getting a Filipina friend into Spain ?
iamamm
iamammiamammBaza, 18800, Granada Province, Andalusia Spain16 Threads 2 Polls 417 Posts
I have been chatting onsite..then emailing...swapping photos...
then chatting on YM / Skype to a Filipina.

She lives and works in the Phils.
I live and work in Spain.

If things carry on as they have ( for sometime now )
It makes more sense her to come to me
since I earn nearly 30 times what she does !

Money / air fares aside...That is my ' gamble ' , okay ?

But does anyone know how she is allowed into Spain
on anything other than a 90 day Tourist Visa ?

I know there is an illegal way..since I know some
Filipinas living not far from me ( about 10,000 around Marbella )
but they can't all have taken that risk, surely ?

Equally I know some possibly might have got a work contract
for / and living in / with a Spanish Family ?
So does that allow them legal entry ?

Otherwise, with me being English, yet living as a Resident
here....how do I get her over here, but living with me ..
for what I hope will work out as a permanent partner ?

Anyone know anything that would help ?
Maybe succeeded themselves ?
Dec 28, 2012 5:08 PM CST Anyone had successful experience of getting a Filipina friend into Spain ?
immanuelle
immanuelleimmanuelleThe Hague, South Holland Netherlands63 Threads 1,962 Posts
Dear iamamm. Congratulations. It is always nice when people find love. 90 days, 3 months....that's a nice period of time to see if things click between the two of you in real life. If it's good, then I would imagine you could go to the Phillipines or England at that point and get married. Does that sound reasonable? Best of luck to the two of you. I hope that all works out for you both.heart wings
Dec 28, 2012 5:21 PM CST Anyone had successful experience of getting a Filipina friend into Spain ?
iamamm
iamammiamammBaza, 18800, Granada Province, Andalusia Spain16 Threads 2 Polls 417 Posts
immanuelle: Dear iamamm. Congratulations. It is always nice when people find love. 90 days, 3 months....that's a nice period of time to see if things click between the two of you in real life. If it's good, then I would imagine you could go to the Phillipines or England at that point and get married. Does that sound reasonable? Best of luck to the two of you. I hope that all works out for you both.


Hiya Immanuelle
Maybe too early for the congrats , but thanks .
It's all good so far ! So is getting married ( at my age , lol )
the only way to ' keep hold of her ' in Spain ?
Marry at either place of birth..and that's then legal entry ?
Sounds fine if you know that it's for sure ?
Will see what happens in the 90 days first ; as you say..
should be long enough to know ..and cheers ! yay
Dec 28, 2012 5:27 PM CST Anyone had successful experience of getting a Filipina friend into Spain ?
immanuelle
immanuelleimmanuelleThe Hague, South Holland Netherlands63 Threads 1,962 Posts
iamamm: Hiya Immanuelle
Maybe too early for the congrats , but thanks .
It's all good so far ! So is getting married ( at my age , lol )
the only way to ' keep hold of her ' in Spain ?
Marry at either place of birth..and that's then legal entry ?
Sounds fine if you know that it's for sure ?
Will see what happens in the 90 days first ; as you say..
should be long enough to know ..and cheers !


thumbs up

One normally has more to gain than to lose by going for it. Cheers.
Dec 28, 2012 5:45 PM CST Anyone had successful experience of getting a Filipina friend into Spain ?
Phoenix
PhoenixPhoenixBelfast....., Antrim Ireland274 Threads 65 Polls 6,948 Posts
immanuelle: Dear iamamm. Congratulations. It is always nice when people find love. 90 days, 3 months....that's a nice period of time to see if things click between the two of you in real life. If it's good, then I would imagine you could go to the Phillipines or England at that point and get married. Does that sound reasonable? Best of luck to the two of you. I hope that all works out for you both.


If you take Imm's advice and get married make sure you sign a pre-nup before hand...
Dec 28, 2012 7:07 PM CST Anyone had successful experience of getting a Filipina friend into Spain ?
immanuelle: Dear iamamm. Congratulations. It is always nice when people find love. 90 days, 3 months....that's a nice period of time to see if things click between the two of you in real life. If it's good, then I would imagine you could go to the Phillipines or England at that point and get married. Does that sound reasonable? Best of luck to the two of you. I hope that all works out for you both.


For a Brit to marry in Spain is a nightmare however we have Gibraltar on our doorstep which is easier than even going back to the UK.
Dec 29, 2012 4:58 AM CST Anyone had successful experience of getting a Filipina friend into Spain ?
iamamm
iamammiamammBaza, 18800, Granada Province, Andalusia Spain16 Threads 2 Polls 417 Posts
immanuelle: One normally has more to gain than to lose by going for it. Cheers.


Yep...I agree,but I guess my point really...is getting married
( wherever ) the only way, and does it guaranteee her legal stay in Spain ?
confused
Dec 29, 2012 5:07 AM CST Anyone had successful experience of getting a Filipina friend into Spain ?
iamamm
iamammiamammBaza, 18800, Granada Province, Andalusia Spain16 Threads 2 Polls 417 Posts
Phoenix: If you take Imm's advice and get married make sure you sign a pre-nup before hand...


Hiya...Hmmm...well now !
Firstly getting married was not necessarily part of the plan
( seems Imm's a hopeless romantic ? )
but if it's the only way..given that it's all good between us..
I guess I would consider it ? dancing
But maybe I will have to contact someone ' in the legal business ' in Spain, and ask....
cos frankly, I don't know if it guarantees her legal entry !
Spain's entry requirements are very complex !
So thanks ...now I have to worry about a ' pre-nup ' ?
not being a ' serial marry-er ' or a Film Star,
not really up on that stuff ! doh
But guess it's a protection on ' what's mine stays mine ' ??
Dec 29, 2012 5:16 AM CST Anyone had successful experience of getting a Filipina friend into Spain ?
iamamm
iamammiamammBaza, 18800, Granada Province, Andalusia Spain16 Threads 2 Polls 417 Posts
zmountainman: For a Brit to marry in Spain is a nightmare however we have Gibraltar on our doorstep which is easier than even going back to the UK.


Hi......and thanks for reminding me !
Yes, I do remember that.
Last time I was there some English guy I was chatting to
' in the cable car '...was getting married to a Lithuanian gal
in Gib..in just a few days !..for exactly that reason.
Fast and Furious, so to speak ? grin
( I know some famous people - Sean Connery - used that loophole )

But as you say, Spain is a minefield, and now I am not
even sure that you can do it in Gib and be recognised
as married in Spain ?

Unless you know different ?

PS: I used to live not far from Motril !! thumbs up
Dec 29, 2012 10:34 AM CST Anyone had successful experience of getting a Filipina friend into Spain ?
( I know some famous people - Sean Connery - used that loophole )

But as you say, Spain is a minefield, and now I am not
even sure that you can do it in Gib and be recognised
as married in Spain ?

Unless you know different ?

PS: I used to live not far from Motril !!

And John Lennon, but sorry don't know the answer to your dilemma but if anywhere Gib might be your answer, wave
Dec 29, 2012 11:00 AM CST Anyone had successful experience of getting a Filipina friend into Spain ?
iamamm
iamammiamammBaza, 18800, Granada Province, Andalusia Spain16 Threads 2 Polls 417 Posts
[quote=zmountainman
And John Lennon, but sorry don't know the answer to your dilemma but if anywhere Gib might be your answer,

Cheers....seems so ! ( though it's also been suggested elsewhere that Denmark is a Fav. Choice too ! )
Point is....does marriage guarantee her legality to stay in Spain ?

Guess I will have to do some heavy online seaching ?
I have emailed a Gib weddings Company...so we'll see !
cheers
Dec 29, 2012 1:30 PM CST Anyone had successful experience of getting a Filipina friend into Spain ?
immanuelle
immanuelleimmanuelleThe Hague, South Holland Netherlands63 Threads 1,962 Posts
iamamm: Hiya...Hmmm...well now !
Firstly getting married was not necessarily part of the plan
( seems Imm's a hopeless romantic ? )
but if it's the only way..given that it's all good between us..
I guess I would consider it ?
But maybe I will have to contact someone ' in the legal business ' in Spain, and ask....
cos frankly, I don't know if it guarantees her legal entry !
Spain's entry requirements are very complex !
So thanks ...now I have to worry about a ' pre-nup ' ?
not being a ' serial marry-er ' or a Film Star,
not really up on that stuff !
But guess it's a protection on ' what's mine stays mine ' ??



And I thought I was being so practical grin Just tryin' to think of solutions to get you two love birds together....work with me here brother...work with me... handshake
Dec 29, 2012 2:03 PM CST Anyone had successful experience of getting a Filipina friend into Spain ?
iamamm
iamammiamammBaza, 18800, Granada Province, Andalusia Spain16 Threads 2 Polls 417 Posts
immanuelle:
And I thought I was being so practical
Just tryin' to think of solutions to get you two love birds together....work with me here brother...work with me...


Hahahaaaaa yay
Come on !!
A woman being practical ? doh
Hey, I know you were Imm...
and I am a hopeless romantic too heart wings

However, there is the rather simple issue
of getting married maybe, but then her still not being able
to stay and live with me in Spain !!
The Visa / Embassy rules are very stringent
which is possibly why so many of the 55, 000
Filipinos in Spain....are in fact, not all ' legal ' !

Having said that...today I have been doing a helluva lot of
work , just to find out the answers ( marriage and all , lol )
so workin here Boss..workin ..
grin
Dec 30, 2012 9:22 AM CST Anyone had successful experience of getting a Filipina friend into Spain ?
bechay
bechaybechaymilan, Lombardy Italy2 Threads 10 Posts
In my opinion, it's better if she try to get her 90 days tourist visa in any Schengen country first, which is quite hard, and you can start from there. Those 90 days, if she'll be able to get it, could serve as getting-to-know each other first, if you haven't met her personally. And you could also ask her to bring in with her necessary documents, just in case things work out well. Documents like her birth certificate and certificate of no marriage (CENOMAR), all authenticated issued by NSO.

Perhaps obtaining a tourist visa directly from the Spanish embassy would be difficult. She could try other countries which are more lenient and avoid Spain and Italy. Once she's in, she could easily move. If she is working and have some money in the banks, and probably invent some property with the help of travel agencies, then she have the possibility to obtain a visa. I would suggest that paying a huge amount just to get her in, be your last option. Because even that is not 100% guaranteed fraud free. I can see that you're willing to gamble and take the risk. But if you have waited long enough for someone to come into your life..a few months of careful planning will not hurt, i guess.
Dec 30, 2012 10:57 AM CST Anyone had successful experience of getting a Filipina friend into Spain ?
iamamm
iamammiamammBaza, 18800, Granada Province, Andalusia Spain16 Threads 2 Polls 417 Posts
bechay: In my opinion, it's better if she try to get her 90 days tourist visa in any Schengen country first, which is quite hard, and you can start from there. Those 90 days, if she'll be able to get it, could serve as getting-to-know each other first, if you haven't met her personally. And you could also ask her to bring in with her necessary documents, just in case things work out well. Documents like her birth certificate and certificate of no marriage (CENOMAR), all authenticated issued by NSO.

Perhaps obtaining a tourist visa directly from the Spanish embassy would be difficult. She could try other countries which are more lenient and avoid Spain and Italy. Once she's in, she could easily move. If she is working and have some money in the banks, and probably invent some property with the help of travel agencies, then she have the possibility to obtain a visa. I would suggest that paying a huge amount just to get her in, be your last option. Because even that is not 100% guaranteed fraud free. I can see that you're willing to gamble and take the risk. But if you have waited long enough for someone to come into your life..a few months of careful planning will not hurt, i guess.


Hello and wow !wow
Now this is all a bit of a change of story !! thumbs up
and very helpful too.
I am certain that the 90 day TV is not a problem, she has already said she can sort that out, and since she only has 8 months left on her passport, renew that...as a current one is essential in Spain, and would be tough to renew when she is here ; if she stays .
Okay with you on all the Documents / and all being well I would need the same too ....but what does NSO stand for ?
She will probably know as she works for an Agency helping Filipinos emigrate anyway ! grin

''......and probably invent some property with the help of travel agencies.....''..Sorry , but not too sure what you mean here ? dunno

Agreed , I am not into gambles , but having chatted now for months...sooner or later, either she comes to me, or I go to her !
and I guess you will know that even a well paid Filipina is not going to be able to pay for an air fare , since it's going to equal maybe 6 months to a years salary for them !

Are you saying that there is the possibilty ( maybe by gaining work here ? or did you mean ' buying a house ' ? ) that she can then change the terms of her visa here in Spain ??
and then not need to take the 90 day return flight ?
I know many who don't illegally..and if they find a job and stay here 2 years ( as the Phils was a Spanish Colony ) they are allowed to stay legally ?

Ps...reason I said '' this all being a change of story ''
is that everyone else ( Filipinos included ) have suggested better that I go to the Phils....get married there...and then with the Spouse Visa..clearly she would be allowed into Spain.

It would be so much easier , since i work here, that she just comes to me...and somehow is allowed to stay...always assuming things are great of course ! ( seem to be so far !! blushing )

Thanks Bechay !
Andy handshake
Dec 30, 2012 10:58 AM CST Anyone had successful experience of getting a Filipina friend into Spain ?
iamamm
iamammiamammBaza, 18800, Granada Province, Andalusia Spain16 Threads 2 Polls 417 Posts
bechay: In my opinion, it's better if she try to get her 90 days tourist visa in any Schengen country first, which is quite hard, and you can start from there. Those 90 days, if she'll be able to get it, could serve as getting-to-know each other first, if you haven't met her personally. And you could also ask her to bring in with her necessary documents, just in case things work out well. Documents like her birth certificate and certificate of no marriage (CENOMAR), all authenticated issued by NSO.

Perhaps obtaining a tourist visa directly from the Spanish embassy would be difficult. She could try other countries which are more lenient and avoid Spain and Italy. Once she's in, she could easily move. If she is working and have some money in the banks, and probably invent some property with the help of travel agencies, then she have the possibility to obtain a visa. I would suggest that paying a huge amount just to get her in, be your last option. Because even that is not 100% guaranteed fraud free. I can see that you're willing to gamble and take the risk. But if you have waited long enough for someone to come into your life..a few months of careful planning will not hurt, i guess.


Hello and wow !wow
Now this is all a bit of a change of story !! thumbs up
and very helpful too.
I am certain that the 90 day TV is not a problem, she has already said she can sort that out, and since she only has 8 months left on her passport, renew that...as a current one is essential in Spain, and would be tough to renew when she is here ; if she stays .
Okay with you on all the Documents / and all being well I would need the same too ....but what does NSO stand for ?
She will probably know as she works for an Agency helping Filipinos emigrate anyway ! grin

''......and probably invent some property with the help of travel agencies.....''..Sorry , but not too sure what you mean here ? dunno

Agreed , I am not into gambles , but having chatted now for months...sooner or later, either she comes to me, or I go to her !
and I guess you will know that even a well paid Filipina is not going to be able to pay for an air fare , since it's going to equal maybe 6 months to a years salary for them !

Are you saying that there is the possibilty ( maybe by gaining work here ? or did you mean ' buying a house ' ? ) that she can then change the terms of her visa here in Spain ??
and then not need to take the 90 day return flight ?
I know many who don't illegally..and if they find a job and stay here 2 years ( as the Phils was a Spanish Colony ) they are allowed to stay legally ?

Ps...reason I said '' this all being a change of story ''
is that everyone else ( Filipinos included ) have suggested better that I go to the Phils....get married there...and then with the Spouse Visa..clearly she would be allowed into Spain.

It would be so much easier , since i work here, that she just comes to me...and somehow is allowed to stay...always assuming things are great of course ! ( seem to be so far !! blushing )

Thanks Bechay !
Andy handshake
Dec 30, 2012 12:23 PM CST Anyone had successful experience of getting a Filipina friend into Spain ?
bechay
bechaybechaymilan, Lombardy Italy2 Threads 10 Posts
handshake Hi Andy! I’m glad that you found my post helpful.

Since you said that getting a 90 days TV for her is not a problem, then, yes, the only thing that she should do is renew her passport. Because as far as I know, just the process of visa application takes more or less 3 months before the release (again, depending which country she will choose to apply). And any embassy will not issue a visa on passports expiring within 6 months.
NSO stands for National Statistics Office or simply called census. You mentioned that she works for a sort of travel / manpower / recruitment agency (I don’t know which), so most probably she knows how to do some magic with the required documents. Most of the time (almost 99.9%), embassies requires proof of property ownership, income statements, bank account certification (w/c they really check), tax payments and any other things that would assure them that one has sufficient funds to travel, and the properties are to assure them that you will come back (w/c is never an assurance). If one don’t have any property to declare, not enough fund in the bank, etc….there are agencies who could do those for her, of course at a certain fee (she shd be careful though, because as we all know, the vultures are everywhere).devil

I think the only possibility for her to stay there legally is for you to marry her before her TV expires. I don’t know how it works with the Spanish immigration…maybe if there’s an employer who could apply a working visa for her..that would surely help. And I beg to disagree, but I don’t think that just because the Philippines was a Spanish colony for more than 300 yrs, doesn’t mean that Filipinos get special treatment. professor moping

I agree with everyone else that marrying her in the Philippines is much faster and easier. cheers

Well, since you welcome unsolicited advice, why not meet her first in person in other parts of the world where visa is not required…let’s say Thailand, Hongkong or Singapore. Just to see to get to know her physically before jumping into saying “I do”. I understand that you are a romantic person…but you also have to be a little realistic. Because it is your life, your happiness and not just your money that you’re gambling here. Just be patient and wise..that’s all. conversing wink

p.s. Geeee….you really are hopeless romantic!!!applause
Dec 30, 2012 1:41 PM CST Anyone had successful experience of getting a Filipina friend into Spain ?
iamamm
iamammiamammBaza, 18800, Granada Province, Andalusia Spain16 Threads 2 Polls 417 Posts
bechay: Hi Andy! I’m glad that you found my post helpful.
( your quote truncated )
p.s. Geeee….you really are hopeless romantic!!!


Hi Again....and yes I DID...so thanks once more !!grin
Think she is already certain that a 90 day TV for Spain is a safe bet ..and yes, since her passport expires in 8 months..we agreed that it would be best to renew it in the Phils..as it would be hard to do so in Spain.
OK to NSO..guessed something like that !
She works for a Visa Consultancy Firm...
( but not one we are going to use , lol ...as I am well aware that they charge a small fortune...someone mentioned 120K PHP or 2.2K Euros....
which is almost criminal ! devil )
Don't know whether she has the magic with documents, as she is a front desk clerk , but maybe ?

But hey...the original plan was simple !
She comes to Spain...see how we get on...if its as good as we both think....decide from there !
It's everyone esle that has been talking ' marriage ' as being the supposed only way !
Maybe it is.
but I am not that much of a ' hopeless romantic ' laugh
I am also a realist and practical too !

So whilst in the family ( not local to her ) there is money
( retired soldier dad , and mum has a Farm too )
in her own right he is independent, but not at all wealthy .
So as I understand it....I could act either as her Sponsor or Employer ( I have rental properties ) ...
and I would be more than happy to pay the ' return air fare '
( or maybe not ??? ) ..since having dated Fipinas in Spain...
I know I have spent a third of the airfare cost in a weekend !

So am I right in thinking that in that way, I would be the person to show money / properties / and accommodation / monies per day for her ?

Yes, I could marry her ( if thats the right thing to do ) as Gibraltar is only hours away from me ...its quick and easy , and recognised world wide !
But my concern is that I actually don't think that changes the terms of the Initial 90 day TV...ie she still has to return home !
Or finding a job either...
I think the correct Visa has to be applied for from the outset ?
and maybe someone ( or herself ) in the Phils can help there, or I suggest she works for me ?...or find a Spanish Employer prepared to send her a contract...' legal or otherwise ' ( if you know what I mean ? roll eyes

Sorry, no I wasn't implying special treatment, only that legalisation is shorter by virtue of historic connections .
If anything, since many Filipinos come here illegally, the Spanish Embassy is actually extra concerned about rules being followed now !

Okay, so you also think that marrying in the phils...after meeting,
is the safest and easiest bet ? confused
Hmmmm, good idea...that's something else I didn't know !
So neither of us would need a visa to meet in Singapore or Thailand, or just me ?
Would make a nice holiday too wine
So yes and no...cautious but romantic too
but I am not a fool cool
Which is why I am trying to get all the right info first..
don't want to leap into anything I might regret , do I ?
Dec 30, 2012 8:18 PM CST Anyone had successful experience of getting a Filipina friend into Spain ?
bechay
bechaybechaymilan, Lombardy Italy2 Threads 10 Posts
It’s me again! I hope you’re not yet tired of reading my post.

First, since she works as a front desk clerk for a visa consultancy firm, I’m pretty sure she can manage with the magic documents.

As I’ve said, I am not familiar with the Spanish Immigration law. If it is more or less similar with the Italian law, then, probably you could act as her sponsor or employer. And if you decide to do it that way, most probably, you will be the one to show your eligibility to sponsor. In case you decide to marry her before her visa expires, I think she will be given an extension of her TV in preparation for the change of status or probably, she could directly apply for a change of visa after the marriage (depending again on Spanish law or since you said that you’re an Englishman, then depending also on your visa). I suppose the important thing is do everything before the expiration of her TV.

I think, it will also be almost same if you marry her in the Philippines. Expect that it will require you a lot of documentation and time.

Yes, marrying her in the Philippines …after meeting her first…is a safe bet. One of the advantages of marrying her there is that you get the chance to meet her family and know her background (though I think it’s not that important but better if you do so).

Neither of you would need a visa in Singapore, Thailand and Hongkong. And I should say that it would be better to have a nice holiday together as an icebreaker.

Sorry, I wasn’t trying to imply something. I’m sure you’re not a fool and wise enough to know what you’re doing. And it’s nice to know that there are really romantic men out there.

Good luck Andy and if you need some information (if you find this helpful)…please feel free to ask and I would be happy to help.
cheers
Dec 31, 2012 4:10 AM CST Anyone had successful experience of getting a Filipina friend into Spain ?
iamamm
iamammiamammBaza, 18800, Granada Province, Andalusia Spain16 Threads 2 Polls 417 Posts
bechay: It’s me again! I hope you’re not yet tired of reading my post.

First, since she works as a front desk clerk for a visa consultancy firm, I’m pretty sure she can manage with the magic documents.

As I’ve said, I am not familiar with the Spanish Immigration law. If it is more or less similar with the Italian law, then, probably you could act as her sponsor or employer. And if you decide to do it that way, most probably, you will be the one to show your eligibility to sponsor. In case you decide to marry her before her visa expires, I think she will be given an extension of her TV in preparation for the change of status or probably, she could directly apply for a change of visa after the marriage (depending again on Spanish law or since you said that you’re an Englishman, then depending also on your visa). I suppose the important thing is do everything before the expiration of her TV.

Sorry, I wasn’t trying to imply something. I’m sure you’re not a fool and wise enough to know what you’re doing. And it’s nice to know that there are really romantic men out there.

Good luck Andy and if you need some information (if you find this helpful)…please feel free to ask and I would be happy to help.


Hello ' Me again ' hug
How are you bechay ?

Nope....not at all tired..it's all good thanks !!
and this is exactly what I was trying to find out ( and I have found out other things via Ex-Pat and Filipino Blog sites too ! )

okay, lets assume the magic documents and a 90 day TV are a safe bet !
and yes, I am pretty sure too, that I can act as her sponsor ( maybe employer..or find a Spanish Contract for her ? wink )
No problems me showing all money / banks / houses / accomodation etc .

However, don't think a marriage in Spain ( inside 90 days ) is possible .they often take 5-6 months to arrange.
However 3 hours away is Gibraltar, a weddings venue for all sorts including John Lennon and Sean Connery, due to it being easy and fast....yet recognised world wide .
The the request for the Visa extension, whether its a job offer or marriage could be requested....and as i know understand it, this is normal , and would require all the wedding and births etc etc ...and her passport being surrended to the Immigration department.....who give no time scale , but should almost 100% grant the extension of Visa.
At which time she can get a proper job..become part of the state ( OSS scheme ) and apply for full residency...meaning she pays taxes, but gets health, unemployment, and medical , even pension benefits !

If I can get meet her here......find its all perfect, then decide to marry locally ..that's the way i will go.
I have a pretty busy life here....so 3 months in the phils or anywhere like Thailand would be better taken later ( mid to late year ) as a holiday....and knowing we are happily married, would be only too happy to me the folks back home then .laugh

It cuts out all the hassle of marrying in the Phils , too !
but clearly with 2 daughters of my own and an existing will , i will have to seek legal advice to protect what is a rather complex situation ( UK/ France and Spain, lol ) doh ...but yet make adjustements for a new wife ? hehe
( even saying that sounds weird )

Surely I am not the only romantic fool ( not really devil )
you have chatted to ?
One of the problems with CS, outside of the Forums is people do tend to judge on superficial things....instead of chatting to everyone and anyone...amazing what you learn differently ?
Someone messaged me last night on here...and to start with ( having looked at her profile I was thinking..hello, what's all this gonna be about then....but she was being helpful , offering advice on this subject....lovely girl .

So yes, would be happy to keep chatting to you
you have been very kind, and I really appreciate it !!
Andy cheering wine
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