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Oct 30, 2013 7:25 AM CST Spain working for NSA
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Spain colluded in NSA spying on its citizens, Spanish newspaper reports

El Mundo says it has obtained document detailing collaboration between US intelligence agency and foreign countries

The widespread surveillance of Spanish citizens by the US National Security Agency, which caused outrage when it was reported this week, was the product of a collaboration with Spain's intelligence services, according to one Spanish newspaper.

In the latest revelations to emerge from the documents leaked by the US whistleblower Edward Snowden, Spanish agents not only knew about the work of the NSA but also facilitated it, El Mundo reports.

An NSA document entitled "Sharing computer network operations cryptologic information with foreign partners" reportedly shows how the US relies on the collaboration of many countries to give it access to intelligence information, including electronic metadata.

The US classifies co-operation with various countries on four different levels. In the first group are allies: the UK, Australia, Canada and New Zealand. The second group, of which Spain is a member, includes 19 countries, all of them European apart from Japan and South Korea.

The reports come a day after the director of the NSA, General Keith B Alexander, testified before the US house intelligence committee that suggestions the agency monitored millions of calls in Spain, France and Italy were "completely false" and that this data had been at least partially collected by the intelligence services of those countries and then passed on to the NSA.

On Monday, El Mundo reported that the NSA had intercepted 60.5m phone calls in Spain over one month alone.

Alexander said foreign intelligence services collected phone records in war zones and other areas outside their borders and passed these on to the NSA. He said this arrangement had been misunderstood by French and Spanish newspapers, which reportedthat the NSA was spying in their countries.

But this explanation has not allayed European or domestic US concerns about the exact nature of NSA surveillance in allied countries.

The suggestion that the Spanish intelligence agency was working with the NSA will confirm the suspicions of many in Spain who believe that the government has not only failed to protect its own citizens' privacy, but was actively supportive of US surveillance inside the country.

Although there are strong anti-privacy laws in Spain, and judicial oversight is required before a phone can be tapped, there are concerns that these laws are applied less than rigorously.

The US has offices for the CIA and the NSA in Madrid.

On Monday, Amnesty International called on the Spanish government to "reflect on its total failure to protect its own citizens' privacy".

The prime minister, Mariano Rajoy, announced on Wednesday that the director of the Spanish national intelligence centre (CNI), Félix Sanz Roldán, would be called to appear before the official secrets committee to explain the activities of the NSA and the CNI. Unlike in the US, however, this meeting will be held behind closed doors.

The latest document, published by El Mundo on Wednesday, shows the NSA to be watchful of any information gathered by countries outside the top tier of allies, which together with the US are known as the "five eyes".

According to the Spanish newspaper's report, the NSA says any co-operation with countries outside this group is to be carefully evaluated, and they should be reliable allies, capable of protecting any classified information from the US itself.
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Oct 30, 2013 7:32 AM CST Spain working for NSA
Hooddah Thunkit?rolling on the floor laughing
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Oct 30, 2013 7:37 AM CST Spain working for NSA
bungallow55
bungallow55bungallow55Lakeland, Florida USA238 Threads 10 Polls 3,837 Posts
Spain, Germany, France, Italy, Poland, Saudis, Switzerland

and many more are working with or spying to each other.
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Oct 30, 2013 7:38 AM CST Spain working for NSA
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
bungallow55: Spain, Germany, France, Italy, Poland, Saudis, Switzerland

and many more are working with or spying to each other.



And the Isle of Wight is spying on them allgrin grin grin grin
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Oct 30, 2013 7:44 AM CST Spain working for NSA
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
If you want to know a secret in Spain, you should just ask someone.

Here, privacity laws never were accomplished by those who made these laws.
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Oct 30, 2013 7:46 AM CST Spain working for NSA
bungallow55
bungallow55bungallow55Lakeland, Florida USA238 Threads 10 Polls 3,837 Posts
tomcatwarne: And the Isle of Wight is spying on them all


laugh laugh
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Oct 30, 2013 7:48 AM CST Spain working for NSA
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
GUZMAN1: If you want to know a secret in Spain, you should just ask someone.

Here, privacity laws never were accomplished by those who made these laws.


Bit like it's top secret but even the paper boy knowsgrin grin grin grin
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Oct 30, 2013 7:50 AM CST Spain working for NSA
the Principality of Sealand is the worst of them all!
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Oct 30, 2013 7:53 AM CST Spain working for NSA
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Conrad73: the Principality of Sealand is the worst of them all!



grin grin grin
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Oct 30, 2013 7:53 AM CST Spain working for NSA
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
Conrad73: Hooddah Thunkit?
hm/nato,we all do it,friends or foe.
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Oct 30, 2013 7:54 AM CST Spain working for NSA
RDM59
RDM59RDM59Edinburgh, Lothian, Scotland UK92 Threads 5 Polls 14,070 Posts
The US has offices for the CIA and the NSA in Madrid.

A request for " 24hr phone Tapas" could easily be misunderstood as 'phone tappers'.

This could all just be a simple mistake don't you think ? .....grin
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Oct 30, 2013 7:57 AM CST Spain working for NSA
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
GUZMAN1: If you want to know a secret in Spain, you should just ask someone.

Here, privacity laws never were accomplished by those who made these laws.
big navy/usa port there.
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Oct 30, 2013 7:58 AM CST Spain working for NSA
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
If they listened to my G/F talking to her mother on the phone they'd be months trying to decode itgrin grin grin grin
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Oct 30, 2013 7:59 AM CST Spain working for NSA
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
RDM59: The US has offices for the CIA and the NSA in Madrid.

A request for " 24hr phone Tapas" could easily be misunderstood as 'phone tappers'.

This could all just be a simple mistake don't you think ? .....
that,spy on arabs,etc.
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Oct 30, 2013 8:00 AM CST Spain working for NSA
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
tomcatwarne: Bit like it's top secret but even the paper boy knows


More or less.

The "secret" spanish "inteligence" (CNI) now is suspect of leaking the data to the NSA. They don't deny it or recognize it. That's today.

They said a few days ago that Spain had reasons to believe the NSA eavesdropped on millions of telephone conversations, SMS messages and emails originating in Spain.

The Spanish Government has also said it does not believe it was spied on. Come on, they sold the information.
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Oct 30, 2013 8:08 AM CST Spain working for NSA
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
GUZMAN1: More or less.

The "secret" spanish "inteligence" (CNI) now is suspect of leaking the data to the NSA. They don't deny it or recognize it. That's today.

They said a few days ago that Spain had reasons to believe the NSA eavesdropped on millions of telephone conversations, SMS messages and emails originating in Spain.

The Spanish Government has also said it does not believe it was spied on. Come on, they sold the information.
we,have over 40 spy agencys/known,in usa.they,get bored n spy on each other,lol.
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Oct 30, 2013 8:19 AM CST Spain working for NSA
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
reb56: we,have over 40 spy agencys/known,in usa.they,get bored n spy on each other,lol.


No secrets anymore. Not in politics, nor in industries.

Copying is the way to prevail over the competence.
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Oct 30, 2013 8:24 AM CST Spain working for NSA
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
GUZMAN1: No secrets anymore. Not in politics, nor in industries.

Copying is the way to prevail over the competence.
lol,so true.
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