The Key (84)
OnlySon: You speak for yourself? I have witnessed myself on many occasions leaving everything to care for another. Giving everything to another without expecting anything in return. And without even thinking seen others in danger of death and saving them from it putting myself in the gap.
From what many of you are saying you are incapable of love!!!
From what many of you are saying you are incapable of love!!!
I too have put my life in serious jeopardy in order to save a complete stranger, but that was a different kind of love. That was instinctive... love that is in us all, our true selves, without thought, without reasoning. The moment you add thought, self interest comes into play.
And no one is incapable of love.
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Onlyson,Haven't you noticed that some people and not all people reside in a Me Me generation?
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bodleing2: I too have put my life in serious jeopardy in order to save a complete stranger, but that was a different kind of love. That was instinctive... love that is in us all, our true selves, without thought, without reasoning. The moment you add thought, self interest comes into play.
And no one is incapable of love.
And no one is incapable of love.
love comes from the spirit not from instinct. God is spirit. God is love. Let us create man in our image. God so loved the world that he gave himself to save them from death. 
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Ccincy: Onlyson,Haven't you noticed that some people and not all people reside in a Me Me generation?
Oh ya. Lol. I know all about it.
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OnlySon: love comes from the spirit not from instinct. God is spirit. God is love. Let us create man in our image. God so loved the world that he gave himself to save them from death.
I was kind of with you for the first few sentences, but a bit confused about who 'they' are, when was this, and are they all still alive.
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bodleing2: I was kind of with you for the first few sentences, but a bit confused about who 'they' are, when was this, and are they all still alive.
They as in God is one? In the easiest terms to understand God said, let us create man in our image... so we look at ourselves... he formed a body/Son. he blew into them breath/soul/light/Father. He spoke the Word/spirit/heart/mind/will.
Man is one body one spirit one word. God is one. Three persons. Body spirit and word.
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OnlySon: They as in God is one? In the easiest terms to understand God said, let us create man in our image... so we look at ourselves... he formed a body/Son. he blew into them breath/soul/light/Father. He spoke the Word/spirit/heart/mind/will.
Man is one body one spirit one word. God is one. Three persons. Body spirit and word.
Man is one body one spirit one word. God is one. Three persons. Body spirit and word.
Another way of saying this is blood water and spirit and the three are in agreement.
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OnlySon: Another way of saying this is blood water and spirit and the three are in agreement.
And it is the spirit that testifies.
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OnlySon: And it is the spirit that testifies.
Flesh gives birth to flesh but spirit gives birth to spirit.
Everyone can understand the flesh part but how does spirit give birth to spirit?
Consider...someone is laughing and you have no idea why and suddenly you find yourself laughing for no apparent reason. Hmmmm. Odd.
Or... someone is angry and you do not know why and suddenly you find yourself becoming angry. Hmmmm. Odd.
God is love. God is spirit. The fruit of the spirit is love peace joy gentleness patience goodness faithfulness and self control. You all are here looking for this without knowing what you're looking for. Soulmates?
Love is selfless without any doubt or confusion and these traits accompany love.
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OnlySon: They as in God is one? In the easiest terms to understand God said, let us create man in our image... so we look at ourselves... he formed a body/Son. he blew into them breath/soul/light/Father. He spoke the Word/spirit/heart/mind/will.
Man is one body one spirit one word. God is one. Three persons. Body spirit and word.
Man is one body one spirit one word. God is one. Three persons. Body spirit and word.
Words are a distraction when we try to understand God.
St Thomas Aquinas put it simply...
" About God we cannot say what he is, but rather what he is not. And we cannot speak about how he is but rather how he is not. The highest form of talking about the Trinity is to know that one does not know. The highest form of the knowledge of God-to know God as the unknown. Reality, God divinity, truth, love are unknowable, that means they cannot be comprehended by the thinking mind."
Now this is not an Oriental Zen master speaking. This is a canonised saint of the Roman Catholic Church, the prince of theologians for centuries. I personally can relate to his way of thinking.
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bodleing2: Words are a distraction when we try to understand God.
St Thomas Aquinas put it simply...
" About God we cannot say what he is, but rather what he is not. And we cannot speak about how he is but rather how he is not. The highest form of talking about the Trinity is to know that one does not know. The highest form of the knowledge of God-to know God as the unknown. Reality, God divinity, truth, love are unknowable, that means they cannot be comprehended by the thinking mind."
Now this is not an Oriental Zen master speaking. This is a canonised saint of the Roman Catholic Church, the prince of theologians for centuries. I personally can relate to his way of thinking.
St Thomas Aquinas put it simply...
" About God we cannot say what he is, but rather what he is not. And we cannot speak about how he is but rather how he is not. The highest form of talking about the Trinity is to know that one does not know. The highest form of the knowledge of God-to know God as the unknown. Reality, God divinity, truth, love are unknowable, that means they cannot be comprehended by the thinking mind."
Now this is not an Oriental Zen master speaking. This is a canonised saint of the Roman Catholic Church, the prince of theologians for centuries. I personally can relate to his way of thinking.
Yet...
1John 4
God’s Love and Ours
7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.
8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
9 This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.
10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.
11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
13 This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit.
14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. 16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
17 This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus.
18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
19 We love because he first loved us. 20 Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 21 And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.
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OnlySon: Yet...
1John 4
God’s Love and Ours
7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.
8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
9 This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.
10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.
11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
13 This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit.
14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. 16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
17 This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus.
18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
19 We love because he first loved us. 20 Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 21 And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.
1John 4
God’s Love and Ours
7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.
8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
9 This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.
10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.
11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
13 This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit.
14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. 16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
17 This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus.
18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
19 We love because he first loved us. 20 Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 21 And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.
Once more, the word God is presenting a barrier to that which it is supposed to be directing us towards.
The word God is limiting, apart from thousands of years of misrepresentation and misuse, it suggests God is a separate entity other than you. God is being itself, not a being.
The 'shift' is happening.
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OnlySon: Yet...
1John 4
God’s Love and Ours
7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.
8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
9 This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.
10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.
11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
13 This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit.
14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. 16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
17 This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus.
18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
19 We love because he first loved us. 20 Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 21 And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.
1John 4
God’s Love and Ours
7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.
8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
9 This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.
10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.
11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
13 This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit.
14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. 16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
17 This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus.
18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
19 We love because he first loved us. 20 Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 21 And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.
Yes we can know and understand God by looking at ourselves...namely Jesus=God in the flesh and know the spirit he has given us and the Fathers love for his wife and his children.
We know that love is Selflessness. Not merely saying, "I love you, be well." But rather an action of self sacrifice supplying the needs of another.
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bodleing2: Once more, the word God is presenting a barrier to that which it is supposed to be directing us towards.
The word God is limiting, apart from thousands of years of misrepresentation and misuse, it suggests God is a separate entity other than you. God is being itself, not a being.
The word God is limiting, apart from thousands of years of misrepresentation and misuse, it suggests God is a separate entity other than you. God is being itself, not a being.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
Lol. Yes. Whoever...and God are two different beings. Just as the body without the spirit is dead. The body and the spirit though one are two persons in conflict....how many times have you known you should or should not do something but did or did not do it?
The mind of the flesh is contrary to the mind of the spirit but if the Spirit of God dwells in you the flesh does not control the things you do the spirit does.
So we trust love. Love always trusts. Its not self seeking.
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OnlySon: God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
Lol. Yes. Whoever...and God are two different beings. Just as the body without the spirit is dead. The body and the spirit though one are two persons in conflict....how many times have you known you should or should not do something but did or did not do it?
The mind of the flesh is contrary to the mind of the spirit but if the Spirit of God dwells in you the flesh does not control the things you do the spirit does.
So we trust love. Love always trusts. Its not self seeking.
Lol. Yes. Whoever...and God are two different beings. Just as the body without the spirit is dead. The body and the spirit though one are two persons in conflict....how many times have you known you should or should not do something but did or did not do it?
The mind of the flesh is contrary to the mind of the spirit but if the Spirit of God dwells in you the flesh does not control the things you do the spirit does.
So we trust love. Love always trusts. Its not self seeking.
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OnlySon: That is what I just said. A man and woman in a relationship are not two but are one body.
This is not true. In a relationship there are at least 2 people, who have their own bodies, own minds, own needs, own desires, they are not one body. If you feed one body, the other dies. Both people must take care of their own needs, while each being aware of each others.Being selfless in a relationship does not work unless the other is of the same mind!! And then only works if each is selfish in keeping themselves healthy.
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OnlySon: Hmm. You would not give your life to save your children's?
In the act of giving my life for my child, or grandchild, I would have very selfish motives: to protect myself from their non-existence.
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I agree as another poster succinctly put it, its "instinctive love" not selflessness regarding the split second decision to save someone in imminent danger. On top of that in your friend's case, it's also your love for your mate..perhaps creating more urgency in the situation.
Back to instinct, the "love" of other humans, the social collective instinctively looking out for each other without thinking since we know by instinct it's in our own best interests.
However if it were your worst enemy would you still save them from a burning building. By the time I mulled it over, it would be too late to save them
Survival yes but the ultimate in selfishness, huh? A helpless bub that knows nothing and acts on instinct. It's brain is far from fully developed - the gross motor movements I've seen in young babies are jerky (ie immature brain).
That thought doesn't even occur to me, it'd be out of love.
Back to instinct, the "love" of other humans, the social collective instinctively looking out for each other without thinking since we know by instinct it's in our own best interests.
However if it were your worst enemy would you still save them from a burning building. By the time I mulled it over, it would be too late to save them
CasualCarol: A baby crying in it's mothers arm for a teat is the epitome of selfishness, and survival.
Survival yes but the ultimate in selfishness, huh? A helpless bub that knows nothing and acts on instinct. It's brain is far from fully developed - the gross motor movements I've seen in young babies are jerky (ie immature brain).
jac379: In the act of giving my life for my child, or grandchild, I would have very selfish motives: to protect myself from their non-existence.
That thought doesn't even occur to me, it'd be out of love.
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mzetoile: That thought doesn't even occur to me, it'd be out of love.
Can you define 'love' for me?
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There are however the very few amongst us who are capable of agape, sometimes called disinterested love, that is, love wholly invested in the well being of another, without the shadow of self interest lurking beneath the surface...but that is rare.
For most of us we always expect some form of payback, even if we don't realise it.
You speak for yourself? I have witnessed myself on many occasions leaving everything to care for another. Giving everything to another without expecting anything in return. And without even thinking seen others in danger of death and saving them from it putting myself in the gap.
From what many of you are saying you are incapable of love!!!