Jesus of Nazareth (162)

Dec 11, 2006 7:17 PM CST Jesus of Nazareth
arthurdent
arthurdentarthurdentspamilton, Ontario Canada13 Threads 490 Posts
The following was taken from en.bibleinfo.com:

"The Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew, and the New Testament was written in Greek.

HISTORY OF TRANSLATIONS

The first translation of the English Bible was initiated by John Wycliffe and completed by John Purvey in 1388.

A few chapters of the books Ezra (ch. 4:8-6:18; 7:12-26) and Daniel (ch. 2:4 to 7:28), one verse in Jeremiah (ch. 10:11, and a word in Genesis (ch. 31:47) are written, not in ancient Hebrew, but in Aramaic. Aramaic is about as closely related to Hebrew as Spanish is to Portuguese. However, the differences between Aramaic and Hebrew are not those of dialect, and the two are regarded as two separate languages.

From which language was the KJV was translated. Here is how it came about: 54 college professors, preachers, deans and bishops ranging in ages from 27 to 73 were engaged in the project of translating the KJV. To work on their masterpiece, these men were divided into six panels: two at Oxford, two at Cambridge, two at Westminster. Each panel concentrated on one portion of the Bible, and each scholar in the panel was assigned portions to translate. As guides the scholars used a Hebrew Text of the Old Testament, a Greek text for the New. Some Aramaic was used in each. They consulted translations in Chaldean, Latin, Spanish, French, Italian and Dutch. And, of course, they used earlier English Bibles—at least six, including William Tyndale's New Testament, the first to be printed in English. So what language did they use? Everything that was available.

The first American edition of the Bible was probably published some time before 1752.

The Bible has been translated in part or in whole as of 1964 in over 1,200 different languages or dialects."

It is clear that great care and much time was taken in translating the text to the English version we know today. We can only surmise that scholars debated endlessly as to the true intent of each line and phrase settling upon one meaning to print however, it is still interpretation at best - a highly educated on to be sure - but still interpretation.

Even today, the Bible (mostly the Old Testament)is full of metaphors and obscure text that most of us need to read a few times to comprehend and even then our understanding may differ from our neighbours.

Having said this, it is easy to see how some may accept Jesus as "God" where others see him as an exceptional man. Either way, he was without question the father of Christianity. Should it really matter then which is truth so long as his teachings are followed and practiced by the faithful?
Dec 11, 2006 8:02 PM CST Jesus of Nazareth
Spiderman
SpidermanSpidermanSaskatoon, Saskatchewan Canada2 Threads 91 Posts
Ok i'll let the expert answer this one so i can have a chance to call bullsh&t too rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing How did Mary the mother of Jesus get pregnant with Him?? No worries if you cant answer.
Dec 11, 2006 8:47 PM CST Jesus of Nazareth
If Christians were following his teachings would Gandhi have said

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
Dec 11, 2006 8:54 PM CST Jesus of Nazareth
arthurdent
arthurdentarthurdentspamilton, Ontario Canada13 Threads 490 Posts
Now that statement, were it fact, would indeed be so true!
Dec 11, 2006 9:03 PM CST Jesus of Nazareth
It is fact.
Dec 11, 2006 9:08 PM CST Jesus of Nazareth
Which leads me to wondering about this ...

Is the only difference between a mortal Jesus of Nazareth and Gandhi the fact that organized religion was already in place when Gandhi was alive?
Dec 11, 2006 9:18 PM CST Jesus of Nazareth
arthurdent
arthurdentarthurdentspamilton, Ontario Canada13 Threads 490 Posts
So, you meant to say this then?

"If Christians were following his teachings Gandhi would not have said"
Dec 11, 2006 9:19 PM CST Jesus of Nazareth
Yes Bob, indeed. Thank you for saving me typing what we just discussed on MSN. I appreciate the correction thumbs up
Dec 11, 2006 9:36 PM CST Jesus of Nazareth
SleepingDragon
SleepingDragonSleepingDragonEdmonton AB, Alberta Canada6 Threads 206 Posts
Many years ago i chose to be a "born again Christian,"as i was raised in the Roman Catholic tradition i found my original perception of Christianity a far more acceptable notion for how God should be. It did not take long before i realized that Christianity held all the same hypocrisies as the Roman Catholic Faith. Many followers of these religions share the same bi-polar mentality towards existence, both in thought and action, and rarely actually grasp the foundational meanings. They regurgitate meaningless words of love and forgiveness while their actions clearly show a different intent. To be clear, this is true of many organized religions as they tend to use ignorance in controlling the masses for their agendas. I agree 100% with Ghandi that if more of the followers of faith did actually follow the faith and not their agenda, than faith would be much more peaceful for all.peace
Dec 11, 2006 9:50 PM CST Jesus of Nazareth
arthurdent
arthurdentarthurdentspamilton, Ontario Canada13 Threads 490 Posts
If Christ did not appear 2000 years ago and if we had survived all those years without a faith other than Judaism and if Ghandi was teaching and practicing as Christ did then yes, it is perhaps conceivable that Ghandi may have been seen as the Messiah.

Who knows, if that were the case then maybe even the Jewish people might have acknowledged this as the real deal and we would be living in a less religion cluttered society as we do now.

Interesting thought to be sure....
Dec 11, 2006 10:00 PM CST Jesus of Nazareth
SleepingDragon
SleepingDragonSleepingDragonEdmonton AB, Alberta Canada6 Threads 206 Posts
i would refer you to arthurdent's very acurate explanation right above yadancing
Dec 11, 2006 10:02 PM CST Jesus of Nazareth
snowmouse
snowmousesnowmousewinnipeg, Manitoba Canada15 Threads 189 Posts
soooo, then finally they all could say..yeah well my diety could beat up your diety (sorry had to through that in)
Dec 11, 2006 10:09 PM CST Jesus of Nazareth
arthurdent
arthurdentarthurdentspamilton, Ontario Canada13 Threads 490 Posts
que? confused
Dec 12, 2006 6:55 AM CST Jesus of Nazareth
Spagooch
SpagoochSpagoochSt. Catharines, Canada21 Threads 387 Posts
She was impregnated by the Holy Spirit - Gospel of Matthew
Dec 12, 2006 7:04 AM CST Jesus of Nazareth
Spagooch
SpagoochSpagoochSt. Catharines, Canada21 Threads 387 Posts
Their was little difference. The only one I can think of is that it is said that Jesus was without sin. In the absolute mortal sense, that is not likely. Before I went back to church and began to follow Christ, my understanding and belief was that Christ, Ghandi, and Martin Luther King...were people sent by God to each deliver a special message to us all. Modern day prophets. I have chosen the Christ to take me beyond that. I still believe the same though of the other two. They were all executed because of their beliefs as well. Who knows? In 2000 years we might be following a new religion... Ghandism? Lutherism? In regards to Ghandi, Mahatma is again a title, not a name. That's how Christianity got it's start, isn't it? They are all people worthy of a following.
Dec 12, 2006 7:16 AM CST Jesus of Nazareth
Spagooch
SpagoochSpagoochSt. Catharines, Canada21 Threads 387 Posts
Again, one has to believe this...it requires faith that it is in fact, true.

Definatively? Who knows? Absolutely impossible to prove. Just because it says so in the bible, doesn't make it 100% true. One has to believe it is true. It is a truth for me though. Does anyone have absolute proof that your mother is really your mother? You believe it because she tells you she is. That is called faith. Debating actual scripture suppositions and interpretations is an absolute and utter waste of time...thats how wars begin. I thoroughly enjoy debating the religious/historical though. I have what works for me...may not work for you! I believe that You believe, or, don't believe. Religious beliefs are neither right or wrong, they just are...they stand alone.peace
Dec 13, 2006 8:35 AM CST Jesus of Nazareth
John1966
John1966John1966Calgary, Alberta Canada16 Threads 143 Posts
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Dec 13, 2006 8:44 AM CST Jesus of Nazareth
I love you John kiss
Dec 13, 2006 9:36 AM CST Jesus of Nazareth
arthurdent
arthurdentarthurdentspamilton, Ontario Canada13 Threads 490 Posts
I think John, that you need to reread Gib's opening remark and also that you need to tone down your racial slurs. While you're at it, you may want to check your own meds as they seem to be wearing off this morning and your true self is shining through again. drinking
Dec 13, 2006 9:58 AM CST Jesus of Nazareth
Spagooch
SpagoochSpagoochSt. Catharines, Canada21 Threads 387 Posts
You are a sick guy. And by posting your comment on an open PUBLIC forum using racial slurs and promoting hate, you have also committed a crime. Any one know this clowns real name. I think the authorities might be interested. Your opinions are one thing John, voicing such opinions on a public medium, is against the law in Canada.
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