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Dec 27, 2014 9:16 AM CST immigrant go home !!
unlaoised
unlaoisedunlaoisedTwilight zone, Wicklow Ireland34 Threads 12,152 Posts
redo416: the one you vote for!!


Both of my governments are just fine with immigrants. You throw out these statements without stats to back them up or personal experience. Why? To stir the pot up?
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Dec 27, 2014 9:18 AM CST immigrant go home !!
bungallow55
bungallow55bungallow55Lakeland, Florida USA238 Threads 10 Polls 3,837 Posts
JeanKimberley: 30 years in Miami, if I haven't picked up spanish, I would be in real trouble..... thanks for the offer!

The news media did a lot about no one wanting to risk the dangers to work in the farmer's fields - we have American farmers that bring over foreigners to actually cut the cane, then they send them back. They also have migratory groups work through out the eastern seaboard area moving back and forth between states to harvest the products.

But they are now a very small portion the populations that immigrate to America. We get a lot of highly skilled and trained workforce from around the world. Nurses were a shortage at one time and were taking them from wherever they could - scientists, doctors, medical professions, highly skilled people to work in the technology industry, the movie and film business.

We get a LOT of UK actors .....
..... but they don't speak American, I'm told it's English.....


why do you have to write so muchlaugh a couple of words for me

to understand, most of these professionals came from Puerto Rico, first cause by birth we are u. s. citizens, 2nd a doctor or nurse, a teacher does not have to revalidate here in America our colleges and universities are recognize and credits accepted
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Dec 27, 2014 9:19 AM CST immigrant go home !!
bungallow55
bungallow55bungallow55Lakeland, Florida USA238 Threads 10 Polls 3,837 Posts
bungallow55: why do you have to write so much a couple of words for me

to understand, most of these professionals came from Puerto Rico, first cause by birth we are u. s. citizens, 2nd a doctor or nurse, a teacher does not have to revalidate here in America our colleges and universities are recognize and credits accepted


oh, I came as a retireebeer
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Dec 27, 2014 9:20 AM CST immigrant go home !!
redo416
redo416redo416san juan, San Juan/Laventille Trinidad and Tobago92 Threads 859 Posts
unlaoised: Both of my governments are just fine with immigrants. You throw out these statements without stats to back them up or personal experience. Why? To stir the pot up?
facts most hide to talk about sad flower
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Dec 27, 2014 9:20 AM CST immigrant go home !!
Leoma
LeomaLeomaJohannesburg, Gauteng South Africa1 Threads 177 Posts
redo416: giving
the facts that most immigrants are not welcome in their adopted
countries .what if all the immigrants was to go back to their countries
of birth .what kind of effect you think it will have on the ex- adopted
countries ?
South Africa would be drug free & they'll be more jobs for south africans if west africans could be depoted. Gosh can't wait for that day
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Dec 27, 2014 9:20 AM CST immigrant go home !!
bungallow55
bungallow55bungallow55Lakeland, Florida USA238 Threads 10 Polls 3,837 Posts
123butterflies: I guess maybe some, but I know many, MANY whom are managers, supervisors, which is kool, good for them


yeah, that's koolcheers
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Dec 27, 2014 9:21 AM CST immigrant go home !!
JeanKimberley: 30 years in Miami, if I haven't picked up spanish, I would be in real trouble..... thanks for the offer!

The news media did a lot about no one wanting to risk the dangers to work in the farmer's fields - we have American farmers that bring over foreigners to actually cut the cane, then they send them back. They also have migratory groups work through out the eastern seaboard area moving back and forth between states to harvest the products.

But they are now a very small portion the populations that immigrate to America. We get a lot of highly skilled and trained workforce from around the world. Nurses were a shortage at one time and were taking them from wherever they could - scientists, doctors, medical professions, highly skilled people to work in the technology industry, the movie and film business.

We get a LOT of UK actors .....
..... but they don't speak American, I'm told it's English.....


I like your post but there is one interesting misconception. There is no shortage of IT workers. EMployers promite this misconception because they want to hire thru the HB 1 Visa program (which should be ended)because they can pay those workers less than market value and they never complain because if they lose their jobs they have to go home! That not only impacts our skilled IT workers by depressing salaries in some sectors of IT but it also prevents many of our new grads from finding optimal employment.

My sons are in IT and engineering and very lucky to have great jobs. But I defintely have firsthand knowledge and know that everything I am saying is true. I have seen all of these things happen firsthand. I also watch annually as thousands of Americans graduate with IT degrees...lol. Employers should have a much stricter burden of proof to hire HB1'ers in IT.

Sometimes, occasionally we see a need for gap IT workers....older workers where there is a gap in knowledge of things like COBOL and AS/400 prgramming that are legacy systems. The answer there is hire our own IT retirees, or older workers.

The other fields you mentioned I do not know as much about, but what I have seen in IT biases me to think it is probably also true in other sectors. We of course admire immigrants who are hignly skilled but it is a fallacy that we do not have enough highly skilled people here already.
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Dec 27, 2014 9:22 AM CST immigrant go home !!
unlaoised
unlaoisedunlaoisedTwilight zone, Wicklow Ireland34 Threads 12,152 Posts
Leoma: South Africa would be drug free & they'll be more jobs for south africans if west africans could be depoted. Gosh can't wait for that day


What nonsense. Immigrants there are not the only ones responsible for the drug problem laugh
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Dec 27, 2014 9:23 AM CST immigrant go home !!
unlaoised
unlaoisedunlaoisedTwilight zone, Wicklow Ireland34 Threads 12,152 Posts
redo416: facts most hide to talk about


Let me try this again....you know this how? conversing
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Dec 27, 2014 9:25 AM CST immigrant go home !!
bungallow55
bungallow55bungallow55Lakeland, Florida USA238 Threads 10 Polls 3,837 Posts
Leoma: South Africa would be drug free & they'll be more jobs for south africans if west africans could be depoted. Gosh can't wait for that day


The ones that brought drugs to SA, were Apartheid
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Dec 27, 2014 9:26 AM CST immigrant go home !!
unlaoised
unlaoisedunlaoisedTwilight zone, Wicklow Ireland34 Threads 12,152 Posts
bungallow55: The ones that brought drugs to SA, were Apartheid


Explain?
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Dec 27, 2014 9:26 AM CST immigrant go home !!
redo416
redo416redo416san juan, San Juan/Laventille Trinidad and Tobago92 Threads 859 Posts
unlaoised: What nonsense. Immigrants there are not the only ones responsible for the drug problem
and you know this how???uh oh
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Dec 27, 2014 9:27 AM CST immigrant go home !!
bungallow55
bungallow55bungallow55Lakeland, Florida USA238 Threads 10 Polls 3,837 Posts
felixis99: I like your post but there is one interesting misconception. There is no shortage of IT workers. EMployers promite this misconception because they want to hire thru the HB 1 Visa program (which should be ended)because they can pay those workers less than market value and they never complain because if they lose their jobs they have to go home! That not only impacts our skilled IT workers by depressing salaries in some sectors of IT but it also prevents many of our new grads from finding optimal employment.

My sons are in IT and engineering and very lucky to have great jobs. But I defintely have firsthand knowledge and know that everything I am saying is true. I have seen all of these things happen firsthand. I also watch annually as thousands of Americans graduate with IT degrees...lol. Employers should have a much stricter burden of proof to hire HB1'ers in IT.

Sometimes, occasionally we see a need for gap IT workers....older workers where there is a gap in knowledge of things like COBOL and AS/400 prgramming that are legacy systems. The answer there is hire our own IT retirees, or older workers.

The other fields you mentioned I do not know as much about, but what I have seen in IT biases me to think it is probably also true in other sectors. We of course admire immigrants who are hignly skilled but it is a fallacy that we do not have enough highly skilled people here already.


I'm a retiree from Puerto Rico, like I said, by birth we are

us citizens cheers
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Dec 27, 2014 9:28 AM CST immigrant go home !!
redo416: sorry jac I miss your point

What about those who are of mixed origins?

Like pretty much the whole of the UK?

How do you send someone home if wherever they go, they're a foreigner?

How do you decide who is indigenous and who isn't?

As Lenny Henry said when Enoch Powell offered people £100 to go home, he was disappointed his mum didn't accept because it was only three pence on the bus back to Dudley.
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Dec 27, 2014 9:28 AM CST immigrant go home !!
redo416
redo416redo416san juan, San Juan/Laventille Trinidad and Tobago92 Threads 859 Posts
Leoma: South Africa would be drug free & they'll be more jobs for south africans if west africans could be depoted. Gosh can't wait for that day
thumbs up
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Dec 27, 2014 9:30 AM CST immigrant go home !!
unlaoised
unlaoisedunlaoisedTwilight zone, Wicklow Ireland34 Threads 12,152 Posts
redo416: and you know this how???


Because, dear redo....you cannot place blame for something on a certain group of people.

It kinda removes responsibility from the local population, don't you think?
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Dec 27, 2014 9:31 AM CST immigrant go home !!
redo416
redo416redo416san juan, San Juan/Laventille Trinidad and Tobago92 Threads 859 Posts
jac_the_gripper: What about those who are of mixed origins?

Like pretty much the whole of the UK?

How do you send someone home if wherever they go, they're a foreigner?

How do you decide who is indigenous and who isn't?

As Lenny Henry said when Enoch Powell offered people £100 to go home, he was disappointed his mum didn't accept because it was only three pence on the bus back to Dudley.
I think if you born in the uk you have a birth right to live there !!
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Dec 27, 2014 9:32 AM CST immigrant go home !!
chatonlyman2
chatonlyman2chatonlyman2North Bay, Ontario Canada27 Threads 7 Polls 6,600 Posts
redo416: and you know this how???
hug laugh
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Dec 27, 2014 9:33 AM CST immigrant go home !!
bungallow55
bungallow55bungallow55Lakeland, Florida USA238 Threads 10 Polls 3,837 Posts
unlaoised: Explain?


When SA was ruled by whites they were the ones

dealing with illegal drugs, legally, like most government

around the world, now in SA, the black govt are the ones

following up
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Dec 27, 2014 9:34 AM CST immigrant go home !!
redo416: I think if you born in the uk you have a birth right to live there !!

So, you're saying my mum and dad should be separated from each other as they approach their 80's?
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