2girlsnocup: No they are not. They are sombre events for families and friends to pay their respects to their lost one. In the Middle East, they do many things the civilised people in the Western world wouldn't dream of. Just because they think it's OK, it doesn't mean it's acceptable elsewhere.There's a time and place to make a political statement. A funeral isn't one of them. It's crass and shows a complete lack of respect to the deceased to even consider it.
I didn't say I thought it was a perfect place to stage a political statement.
I just read a lot and history has many examples of political statements being made at funerals. Look at the laying of all the flowers on Prince Diane's gate. When emotions are high with grief and it has been a way for the mobs to act out, to express themselves about the situation that brought on the death of the person.
Media attention is on a funeral event is an opportunity that people just take.
Its not my opinion as to the right or wrong thing to do. If your ethical values say that the end justifies the means or that as long as the end result is in good out weighs the method used to get there.....
JeanKimberley: I didn't say I thought it was a perfect place to stage a political statement.
I just read a lot and history has many examples of political statements being made at funerals. Look at the laying of all the flowers on Prince Diane's gate. When emotions are high with grief and it has been a way for the mobs to act out, to express themselves about the situation that brought on the death of the person.
Media attention is on a funeral event is an opportunity that people just take.
Its not my opinion as to the right or wrong thing to do. If your ethical values say that the end justifies the means or that as long as the end result is in good out weighs the method used to get there.....
JeanKimberley: Funerals are a perfect place to "stage" a political statement. What do you think happens over in the middle east?
So if the NYPD blue make a statement and it's a no go vote from you, what did you think about the football players who made a statement about the police excessive force policies?
Just when should someone make a political statement? When the media attention is focusing on this matter?
I respectfully disagree and the media had a lot to do with what took place at the funeral.I consider what took place at the funeral very disrespectful.
2girlsnocupunknown, Greater London, England UK2,621 posts
JeanKimberley: I didn't say I thought it was a perfect place to stage a political statement.
I just read a lot and history has many examples of political statements being made at funerals. Look at the laying of all the flowers on Prince Diane's gate. When emotions are high with grief and it has been a way for the mobs to act out, to express themselves about the situation that brought on the death of the person.
Media attention is on a funeral event is an opportunity that people just take.
Its not my opinion as to the right or wrong thing to do. If your ethical values say that the end justifies the means or that as long as the end result is in good out weighs the method used to get there.....
Reading history is one thing, but understanding it is another.
The flowers at Princess Diana's gate were left out of respect. How you could imply they were a protest, is beyond me.
A funeral is not the right time nor place for a protest. Only terrorists seem to use them as propaganda.
A political statement can be one of respect as the flowers were for Diane. She was much loved around the world.
Statements don't have to be negative. And there were statements on the cards and flowers that blamed the paparazzi for her early demise. It was still a time to make a political statement - for the good.
Not only terrorists used them as a time to spread their propaganda - it seems to be the "news" opportunity to send a message to the world at large.
Everyone has an agenda.
"Reading history is one thing, but understanding it is another." - and just what is that supposed to mean?
2girlsnocupunknown, Greater London, England UK2,621 posts
JeanKimberley: A political statement can be one of respect as the flowers were for Diane. She was much loved around the world.
Statements don't have to be negative. And there were statements on the cards and flowers that blamed the paparazzi for her early demise. It was still a time to make a political statement - for the good.
Not only terrorists used them as a time to spread their propaganda - it seems to be the "news" opportunity to send a message to the world at large.
Everyone has an agenda.
"Reading history is one thing, but understanding it is another." - and just what is that supposed to mean?
But to use a funeral to push an agenda, is just crass. Only idiots would think it's acceptable. The police turned up at a colleague's funeral, just to turn it into something else. That's frankly disgusting. I wonder if the family and friends of the deceased were thrilled about the circus that was forming outside?
If they had a problem with their chief, they should deal with it in a manner that has dignity and wouldn't make them out to be heartless.
As for the last question, you used an example of history and got it wrong. The flowers, as stated beforehand, were left out of respect and grief. Pretty much in the same manner that people leave them at any fatality scene.
JeanKimberley: A political statement can be one of respect as the flowers were for Diane. She was much loved around the world.
Statements don't have to be negative. And there were statements on the cards and flowers that blamed the paparazzi for her early demise. It was still a time to make a political statement - for the good.
Not only terrorists used them as a time to spread their propaganda - it seems to be the "news" opportunity to send a message to the world at large.
Everyone has an agenda.
"Reading history is one thing, but understanding it is another." - and just what is that supposed to mean?
Police, public officials and mourners from across the country gathered Sunday to honor a detective killed last month in an act of violence that has roiled New York City, with a large number of officers again making their frustrations with the city’s mayor apparent by turning their backs on him as he paid tribute to the slain officer.
Defying a request from Police Commissioner William Bratton, the strident display of protest began as Mayor Bill de Blasio took the podium at the Aievoli Funeral Home in Brooklyn to eulogize Detective Wenjian Liu, reinforcing entrenched feelings of hostility that have gripped the department in the weeks since Liu and Detective Rafael Ramos were fatally shot without warning on a Brooklyn street.
In highly controversial remarks, union leaders have criticized the mayor for expressing support for demonstrations against police brutality and accused him of fostering an environment that encourages attacks on police officers.
2girlsnocup: But to use a funeral to push an agenda, is just crass. Only idiots would think it's acceptable. The police turned up at a colleague's funeral, just to turn it into something else. That's frankly disgusting. I wonder if the family and friends of the deceased were thrilled about the circus that was forming outside?
If they had a problem with their chief, they should deal with it in a manner that has dignity and wouldn't make them out to be heartless. As for the last question, you used an example of history and got it wrong. The flowers, as stated beforehand, were left out of respect and grief. Pretty much in the same manner that people leave them at any fatality scene.
I think the police force in general, these officer's colleagues and friends were offended that the Mayor made any remarks at the funeral at all. The mayor making any statements is what the police in general thought frankly disgusting.
2girlsnocupunknown, Greater London, England UK2,621 posts
JeanKimberley: I think the police force in general, these officer's colleagues and friends were offended that the Mayor made any remarks at the funeral at all. The mayor making any statements is what the police in general thought frankly disgusting.
Then, here's a crazy suggestion, oh I don't know, they could have refused to attend?
Oh no. That's way too simple for them to work out
Instead, let's make sure the deceased family have us making a circus on what may be, one of their saddest days.
2girlsnocup: Then, here's a crazy suggestion, oh I don't know, they could have refused to attend?
Oh no. That's way too simple for them to work out
Instead, let's make sure the deceased family have us making a circus on what may be, one of their saddest days.
You jest right? The Mayor could have kept his mouth shut and not made any comments - and left it to the police chief and the officers family and friends - which is the police officers not the Mayor.
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In the Middle East, they do many things the civilised people in the Western world wouldn't dream of. Just because they think it's OK, it doesn't mean it's acceptable elsewhere.There's a time and place to make a political statement. A funeral isn't one of them. It's crass and shows a complete lack of respect to the deceased to even consider it.
I didn't say I thought it was a perfect place to stage a political statement.
I just read a lot and history has many examples of political statements being made at funerals. Look at the laying of all the flowers on Prince Diane's gate. When emotions are high with grief and it has been a way for the mobs to act out, to express themselves about the situation that brought on the death of the person.
Media attention is on a funeral event is an opportunity that people just take.
Its not my opinion as to the right or wrong thing to do. If your ethical values say that the end justifies the means or that as long as the end result is in good out weighs the method used to get there.....