Wear your poppy with pride? (74)
snowlynx: First of all nobody has tried or suggested that you wear a poppy so I'm not sure where you got that idea from. In fact if you look at my posts you'll see that I don't think anyone should wear one if they don't want to, I think it should be a choice. If you're going to contribute to the debate at least read what other people say.
Hopefully some day the British soldiers killed by cowards in the north will get justice, same as the people of Derry are finally getting.
The hunger strikers chose their own fate, their victims had no such choice. You are entitled to your own views but you are not entitled to your own facts.
the hunger strikers did not choose their own fate. they had no choice but to embark on a hunger strike . the hunger strikers fought a foreign and agressive power namely the british government both in prison and before their incarceration and are to be commended for doing so . they paid the ultimate sacrifice.Hopefully some day the British soldiers killed by cowards in the north will get justice, same as the people of Derry are finally getting.
The hunger strikers chose their own fate, their victims had no such choice. You are entitled to your own views but you are not entitled to your own facts.
oneniceguy11: the hunger strikers did not choose their own fate. they had no choice but to embark on a hunger strike . the hunger strikers fought a foreign and agressive power namely the british government both in prison and before their incarceration and are to be commended for doing so . they paid the ultimate sacrifice.
And sacrificed themselves for the dignity of man...
Still blind traitors piss on their memories
oneniceguy11: the hunger strikers did not choose their own fate. they had no choice but to embark on a hunger strike . the hunger strikers fought a foreign and agressive power namely the british government both in prison and before their incarceration and are to be commended for doing so . they paid the ultimate sacrifice.
You need to look up the meaning of the word 'choice' in a dictionary, clearly you don't understand it.
It wasn't a foreign government they were fighting by the way it was their own government, the government of the UK.
snowlynx: You need to look up the meaning of the word 'choice' in a dictionary, clearly you don't understand it.
It wasn't a foreign government they were fighting by the way it was their own government, the government of the UK.
it was a foreign government they were fighting . we as irish people do not recognise or give alleigence to any british government in any part of ireland . by the way i do know what the word choice means .It wasn't a foreign government they were fighting by the way it was their own government, the government of the UK.
oneniceguy11: it was a foreign government they were fighting . we as irish people do not recognise or give alleigence to any british government in any part of ireland . by the way i do know what the word choice means .
Wrong again. It was their own government they were fighting, their own legitimate government. Whether you recognise it or not doesn't matter, it's legitimacy doesn't depend on your recognition. They were terrorists fighting the legitimate government of the day.
You could do with a book about international law to go with your dictionary.
snowlynx: Wrong again. It was their own government they were fighting, their own legitimate government. Whether you recognise it or not doesn't matter, it's legitimacy doesn't depend on your recognition. They were terrorists fighting the legitimate government of the day.
You could do with a book about international law to go with your dictionary.
why have we had centuries of conflict in ireland ? cause ur british government declared war on the irish people a point u agreed with on a previous forum. the hunger strikers were irish citizens fighting british terrorists in ireland . the brit government goverend that part of ireland through violence murder and imprisonment of the irish people.You could do with a book about international law to go with your dictionary.
GalwayGuy35: The wearing of a poppy has a different meaning over here, I'd never wear one and have yet to meet anyone I know in real life who would either.
Unfortunately this is true, we are culturally conditioned to identify the red poppy with dread Brittania, and therefore reject the custom.
We should remember the young men from the plains of Kildare, the hills of Connemara and the tenements of Dublin, who lost their lives in the great war and other conflicts.
Perhaps we could adopt an emblem such as a white poppy, which would symbolize peace and remembrance.
oneniceguy11: why have we had centuries of conflict in ireland ? cause ur british government declared war on the irish people a point u agreed with on a previous forum. the hunger strikers were irish citizens fighting british terrorists in ireland . the brit government goverend that part of ireland through violence murder and imprisonment of the irish people.
I see you persist in referring to the British gov as my gov! A childish argument. Republicans have always tried to denigrate anyone who disagrees with them and claim a monopoly on patriotism. If you're smart this will set off alarm bells in your head, if not then it won't.
Let's stick to facts, the British government didn't govern that part of Ireland through violence. It was and is part of the UK through majority choice. The provo campaign was a textbook example of terrorism as they used terror to try to get what they couldn't get democratically. The UK gov had the right and the duty to fight terror and should have done so with overwhelming force from the start.
Nationalism is a poison and unfortunately so many Irish people have been infected by it.
snowlynx: I see you persist in referring to the British gov as my gov! A childish argument. Republicans have always tried to denigrate anyone who disagrees with them and claim a monopoly on patriotism. If you're smart this will set off alarm bells in your head, if not then it won't.
Let's stick to facts, the British government didn't govern that part of Ireland through violence. It was and is part of the UK through majority choice. The provo campaign was a textbook example of terrorism as they used terror to try to get what they couldn't get democratically. The UK gov had the right and the duty to fight terror and should have done so with overwhelming force from the start.
Nationalism is a poison and unfortunately so many Irish people have been infected by it.
there is nothing childish about my argruement . you persist in supporting the british government on here even tho ur irish thats why i have refered to them as your government .the six county statelet was not created through a democratic vote it was therefore an undemocratic entity . get you facts right . a typical british/unionist view point was to oppress nationlists/republicans in any way ye could . ye failed in the past and ye will always fail with that sort of agenda .Let's stick to facts, the British government didn't govern that part of Ireland through violence. It was and is part of the UK through majority choice. The provo campaign was a textbook example of terrorism as they used terror to try to get what they couldn't get democratically. The UK gov had the right and the duty to fight terror and should have done so with overwhelming force from the start.
Nationalism is a poison and unfortunately so many Irish people have been infected by it.
oneniceguy11: there is nothing childish about my argruement . you persist in supporting the british government on here even tho ur irish thats why i have refered to them as your government .the six county statelet was not created through a democratic vote it was therefore an undemocratic entity . get you facts right . a typical british/unionist view point was to oppress nationlists/republicans in any way ye could . ye failed in the past and ye will always fail with that sort of agenda .
No I don't support the British gov on here I support the Irish gov and its policies on the north. The north was created out of the treaty and has been ratified in every Irish general election since, as pro-treaty parties have won almost all of the votes. The majority of the people of the north want to stay in the UK, you can ignore that fact all you want but there it is.
The GFA has copperfastened the agreement that change can only come to the north's status by democratic vote, not by violence. That means the issue finally is sealed. Nationalists/republicans are not oppressed, they have the same vote as anyone else. What they don't have is the right to use violence to advance their aims, but then you might call that oppression!
stanley8m: Who are you fighting this time Rambo?
So far you vented your hatred of gay people, Irish Travellers, suspected deviants, Muslims, immigrants, the British, any innocent bloke who looks at your girlfriend, and I am sure I have forgotten many more. Jeex man, do you like anyone?
So far you vented your hatred of gay people, Irish Travellers, suspected deviants, Muslims, immigrants, the British, any innocent bloke who looks at your girlfriend, and I am sure I have forgotten many more. Jeex man, do you like anyone?
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snowlynx: No I don't support the British gov on here I support the Irish gov and its policies on the north. The north was created out of the treaty and has been ratified in every Irish general election since, as pro-treaty parties have won almost all of the votes. The majority of the people of the north want to stay in the UK, you can ignore that fact all you want but there it is.
The GFA has copperfastened the agreement that change can only come to the north's status by democratic vote, not by violence. That means the issue finally is sealed. Nationalists/republicans are not oppressed, they have the same vote as anyone else. What they don't have is the right to use violence to advance their aims, but then you might call that oppression!
The GFA has copperfastened the agreement that change can only come to the north's status by democratic vote, not by violence. That means the issue finally is sealed. Nationalists/republicans are not oppressed, they have the same vote as anyone else. What they don't have is the right to use violence to advance their aims, but then you might call that oppression!
The latest poll confirms that the people living in Northern Ireland want to remain part of the United Kingdom.
stanley8m: The latest poll confirms that the people living in Northern Ireland want to remain part of the United Kingdom.
No surprise there. If it ever changes I'll happily welcome them into this state. Not going to happen in my lifetime though. What will happen if Britain leaves the EU? then the border will become an EU border, wonder how that will work out?
stanley8m: The latest poll confirms that the people living in Northern Ireland want to remain part of the United Kingdom.
What poll from were and who took part in the poll, I've never been ask yet and I live here so
snowlynx: No surprise there. If it ever changes I'll happily welcome them into this state. Not going to happen in my lifetime though. What will happen if Britain leaves the EU? then the border will become an EU border, wonder how that will work out?
That's big of you
I will also welcome anyone to Ireland also
WittyandWise: That's big of you I will also welcome anyone to Ireland also
What's your problem now? Would you rather I say I wouldn't welcome you in?...you just can't win with some people, no matter what you say.
snowlynx: What's your problem now? Would you rather I say I wouldn't welcome you in?...you just can't win with some people, no matter what you say.
Welcome me in to my own country!
WittyandWise: What poll from were and who took part in the poll, I've never been ask yet and I live here so
This poll here
Oh and by the way I would vote for a United Ireland and I wouldn't care about paying more tax. Hard to believe that so many people in the Republic put greed before principles.
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"In Canada, the Poppy has stood as a visual symbol of our Remembrance since 1921. However, its presence over the graves of soldiers, and in the fields of honour, was noted as early as the 19th century after the Napoleonic Wars. The reason for its adoption over 100 years later in Canada was due to, in no small part, Lieutenant-Colonel John McCrae and his now famous poem, “In Flanders Fields”.
This poem, written in May, 1915 on the day following the death of a fellow soldier, would serve as inspiration three years later for an American teacher, Moina Michael, who made a personal pledge after reading the poem to always wear a Poppy as a sign of Remembrance. In 1920, during a visit to the United States, a French woman, Madame Guerin, learned of the custom and decided to sell handmade Poppies to raise money for the children in war-torn areas of the country. Following her example, the Poppy was officially adopted by the Great War Veteran’s Association in Canada (our predecessor) as its Flower of Remembrance on July 5, 1921.
Today we encourage all Canadians to proudly wear a Poppy."It's wasn't originally British, but was adopted by Canada, England, NZ and Australia all around the same time.
The wearing of a poppy has a different meaning over here, I'd never wear one and have yet to meet anyone I know in real life who would either.