World War 3 (252)
lindsyjones: Tree thanks for your explanation. We already know the cycle of life is never ending, and so is everything we do. We already know that human by nature is a survivor animal. Threat in any shape or form dictates the maneuvering of fighting back. Where it ends, we don't know.
While we are at it, please google Sept. 11, 1683 and tell me, where did it begin?
Fast forward times and let us look at the recent activities.
In 1989 Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, granting there is a lot of investment on the oil industry by the west to this area, it is natural for them to go and oust SH.
WE did, it is not like we just invaded for no reason. The problem is, when Obama came into power he created the vacuum in Iraq which gave birth to the strength of ISIS which is fighting back as a revenge for that war.
Should we end it? More importantly how?
While we are at it, please google Sept. 11, 1683 and tell me, where did it begin?
Fast forward times and let us look at the recent activities.
In 1989 Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, granting there is a lot of investment on the oil industry by the west to this area, it is natural for them to go and oust SH.
WE did, it is not like we just invaded for no reason. The problem is, when Obama came into power he created the vacuum in Iraq which gave birth to the strength of ISIS which is fighting back as a revenge for that war.
Should we end it? More importantly how?
The lust for oil is not good enough reason to go to war.
There IS no reason to go to war!
The simplest answer is always the best.
If you don't want to aggrevate the bees, don't poke at the hive.
If you don't want war, keep your armies within your own borders.
Learn to share, not just take.
We need to do a complete reset of our culture. We need to ban the ponzi scheme that is fractional reserve banking and the usury created with it.
We need to put a cap on everybody's lifetime earnings, so no individuals can own armies again.
We need to learn to share
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TTom50: Today in the UN,,they (the Islamic countries of the UN) had a Palestine Day.
Now there are a couple of things to note. First it turned into a Israel bashing. Israel is at fault for Islamic terrorism. Secondly, the normal day for this annual event is November 29th. The organizers seemed to have a reason to advance the day before US Thanksgiving and nearer to the attacks in Paris, Mali and Sinai.
With 370 dead and over 300 injured, the organizers had to get the spin message to the cause....the Israel vs Palestine issue....out to the media and world.
But it does not add up. Why kill in Paris, if your enemy is Israeli? Why down a Russian airliner, if your enemy is Israeli? Why kill in Mali, if your enemy is Israel?
Moderate Muslims are starting to step forward and acknowledge that inside Islam there is a major problem. King Abdullah of Jordan....just went public with that message following the Paris attacks. I have listened to several moderate Muslim in the US echoing the message. They are recognizing the Islam has radical Jhadists inside that simply kill to be killing. Killing innocent people for the politics and for the formation of a Caliphate State.
The sooner that the Muslim countries of the world recognize the problem. The sooner a solution will be found. But as long as they spin the cause of radical Islam....the longer the Jhadist will think that some kind of political solution can be achieved to establish the Caliphate.
I wish I could say that the US was ready to fully engage ISIL and alQeada in world. But I cannot. President Obama containment's policies have failed. The question now is what is next? The US is in a Election cycle. Personally, I think President Obama is just riding this last year out.
Yes he met with Putin and Hollende to discuss ISIS and the situation. But as they say talk is cheap. Military action is costly. I will say that most in the US realize (this according to polling) the need to engage ISIS with stronger military operations. The US citizen recognizes the joint threat...to Europe, to moderate Muslims, to America...that alQeda and ISIL are.
Now there are a couple of things to note. First it turned into a Israel bashing. Israel is at fault for Islamic terrorism. Secondly, the normal day for this annual event is November 29th. The organizers seemed to have a reason to advance the day before US Thanksgiving and nearer to the attacks in Paris, Mali and Sinai.
With 370 dead and over 300 injured, the organizers had to get the spin message to the cause....the Israel vs Palestine issue....out to the media and world.
But it does not add up. Why kill in Paris, if your enemy is Israeli? Why down a Russian airliner, if your enemy is Israeli? Why kill in Mali, if your enemy is Israel?
Moderate Muslims are starting to step forward and acknowledge that inside Islam there is a major problem. King Abdullah of Jordan....just went public with that message following the Paris attacks. I have listened to several moderate Muslim in the US echoing the message. They are recognizing the Islam has radical Jhadists inside that simply kill to be killing. Killing innocent people for the politics and for the formation of a Caliphate State.
The sooner that the Muslim countries of the world recognize the problem. The sooner a solution will be found. But as long as they spin the cause of radical Islam....the longer the Jhadist will think that some kind of political solution can be achieved to establish the Caliphate.
I wish I could say that the US was ready to fully engage ISIL and alQeada in world. But I cannot. President Obama containment's policies have failed. The question now is what is next? The US is in a Election cycle. Personally, I think President Obama is just riding this last year out.
Yes he met with Putin and Hollende to discuss ISIS and the situation. But as they say talk is cheap. Military action is costly. I will say that most in the US realize (this according to polling) the need to engage ISIS with stronger military operations. The US citizen recognizes the joint threat...to Europe, to moderate Muslims, to America...that alQeda and ISIL are.
Tom, I can't imagine that all these terrorism attacks are for Israel only. Rather it is a war against humanity. If we do acknowledge caliphating as the core of their motives, then it is fair for us to know that they won't stop killing until all non islam are dead. Well, there is about 5 billion to go and perhaps you and I will be dead by then naturally. Meantime, it is not fair that they think the world belongs to them only, is it?
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Treetopwanderer: The lust for oil is not good enough reason to go to war.
There IS no reason to go to war!
The simplest answer is always the best.
If you don't want to aggrevate the bees, don't poke at the hive.
If you don't want war, keep your armies within your own borders.
Learn to share, not just take.
We need to do a complete reset of our culture. We need to ban the ponzi scheme that is fractional reserve banking and the usury created with it.
We need to put a cap on everybody's lifetime earnings, so no individuals can own armies again.
We need to learn to share
There IS no reason to go to war!
The simplest answer is always the best.
If you don't want to aggrevate the bees, don't poke at the hive.
If you don't want war, keep your armies within your own borders.
Learn to share, not just take.
We need to do a complete reset of our culture. We need to ban the ponzi scheme that is fractional reserve banking and the usury created with it.
We need to put a cap on everybody's lifetime earnings, so no individuals can own armies again.
We need to learn to share
Ideally Tree, this should be the case. But I can't imagine it can be real. One's ability to produce is never the same as the other. We are all created differently and as long as we don't enrich ourselves at the expense of the others, it should be alright. But if we conceive equality as a means of having everyone at peace, imagine the proportion of jobs we have to allocate from the 80 percent under poverty? How do we do that?
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lindsyjones: Ideally Tree, this should be the case. But I can't imagine it can be real. One's ability to produce is never the same as the other. We are all created differently and as long as we don't enrich ourselves at the expense of the others, it should be alright. But if we conceive equality as a means of having everyone at peace, imagine the proportion of jobs we have to allocate from the 80 percent under poverty? How do we do that?
It certainly will be a massive regime change, and many of those at the top won't like it at all, but it MUST happen.
I won't have time to explain it all before bed, I can assure you!
Essentially though, we must take money out of the equations for the basic necessities of life.
Free housing for everybody, free food, healthcare, electricity, internet and education. Remember, money isn't real. It doesn't grow plants or give humans strength.
If we insist upon keeping money, then give everybody a basic inome to live on, and make sure that those who have great talents can earn a small but fair multiple of that. Remember that there's a massive difference in happiness between living on $10,000 p.a and living on $50,0000 p.a, but very little happiness differential between $50,000 p.a and $50,0000,000 p.a. Essentially, nobody needs to be mega rich to be happy.
Incentivise movement between many different jobs, so people can learn what it is they really love to do. This will greatly add to happiness.
Sum up the resources we have on the planet, manage them wisely and share them fairly.
Make all companies not-for-profit, so the focus turns from profit to good product. This will end the travesty which is inbuilt obsolescence.
Don't worry about nothing ever getting done. The great innovators will always want to innovate, whether they get paid or not.
End representative democracy. Rather let the entire population be the government, holding simple referenda for every decision over an online forum.
Provide easy yet environmentally friendly travel all across the globe, so people can live where they like. Remember, in a World where everybody has the same opportunities and income, migration for a "better life" will be more about the climate than taking someone's job!
My, it really is past my bedtime, and I have a funeral first thing, so I have to leave it at that for now.
We have though, an opportunity and a duty to hit the reset button, and look towards an happy and peaceful future.
Ninite all
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In response to: It is here and very real.
The bombing of the most beautiful city of the world is an aggression that assaults the whole of humanity.
Obama said and quote: "war against humanity".
Being one of the most powerful person in the world, do you think, that if this truly is a war against mankind, what would he do? If you were in a position to act upon it, what would you do?
I don't know any answer that can immediately make an impact to stop this madness, but I am hoping somewhere, somehow there is a solution that won't cost the whole of the one and only earth we have.
Anyone?
Thank you all for your participation.
The bombing of the most beautiful city of the world is an aggression that assaults the whole of humanity.
Obama said and quote: "war against humanity".
Being one of the most powerful person in the world, do you think, that if this truly is a war against mankind, what would he do? If you were in a position to act upon it, what would you do?
I don't know any answer that can immediately make an impact to stop this madness, but I am hoping somewhere, somehow there is a solution that won't cost the whole of the one and only earth we have.
Anyone?
Thank you all for your participation.
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Tree, I have always thought that for us to advance in life, we have to use out utmost potential, and as such it is proven by Ayn Rand's novel "Atlas shrugged" and the philosophy of Kierkgaard. These two pillars of unsocialistic principles do show that there is nothing wrong in being able to gain out of our individual strength. In your line of thinking, how will it ensure that the dole takers would do anything but dependent on the very society they loath? It is very much happening here with us, in our realms, look at the State of California and the many states where welfare recipients do almost over run the hard working individuals. If we do give our resources evenly distributed, at what point will it begin and where will it end?
This would definitely prohibit amassing of great wealth like that of Gates, Bloomberg, etc.etc. You are involved in hedge funds, and certainly very well informed in the mechanics of money making...what and how would that affect you in a society that you want to serve?
This would definitely prohibit amassing of great wealth like that of Gates, Bloomberg, etc.etc. You are involved in hedge funds, and certainly very well informed in the mechanics of money making...what and how would that affect you in a society that you want to serve?
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galrads: So, is Australia going to send its daughters and sons to get murdered or otherwise messed-up while taking care of this for the r at of us?
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lindsyjones: Tree, I have always thought that for us to advance in life, we have to use out utmost potential, and as such it is proven by Ayn Rand's novel "Atlas shrugged" and the philosophy of Kierkgaard. These two pillars of unsocialistic principles do show that there is nothing wrong in being able to gain out of our individual strength. In your line of thinking, how will it ensure that the dole takers would do anything but dependent on the very society they loath? It is very much happening here with us, in our realms, look at the State of California and the many states where welfare recipients do almost over run the hard working individuals. If we do give our resources evenly distributed, at what point will it begin and where will it end?
This would definitely prohibit amassing of great wealth like that of Gates, Bloomberg, etc.etc. You are involved in hedge funds, and certainly very well informed in the mechanics of money making...what and how would that affect you in a society that you want to serve?
This would definitely prohibit amassing of great wealth like that of Gates, Bloomberg, etc.etc. You are involved in hedge funds, and certainly very well informed in the mechanics of money making...what and how would that affect you in a society that you want to serve?
It's a fallacy that everybody has to work forty hours a week in order to survive.
There are many communities across the globe where only a few people need to work a few hours per week to feed the community. Same for clothing, healing, etc.
Most of the jobs on Earth serve no social purpose anyway. Bureaucracy, marketing, fashion, military, the production of shoddy goods - all useless.
Let the people who love to work find their bliss and pay them well. Let the rest survive.
The sharing of our planet begins with the sharing of our planet, and ends with the sharing of our planet, as one community. Simple.
I certainly did learn a lot about the manipulation of the masses through my career, and see the same patterns on the charts as I see in the World. I have a massive dislike for money and all it does to people, and will happily see my business crumble for the greater good :-)
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lindsyjones: I can't figure for the life of me, how these terrorists and supporters can't see, that there is no way, we just have to be sitting here and wait for our turn to get killed.
Please let's not forget that we've recently murdered, at last check, over 210,000 of them. So far we still seem to be the bad guys
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Treetopwanderer: It's a fallacy that everybody has to work forty hours a week in order to survive.
There are many communities across the globe where only a few people need to work a few hours per week to feed the community. Same for clothing, healing, etc.
Most of the jobs on Earth serve no social purpose anyway. Bureaucracy, marketing, fashion, military, the production of shoddy goods - all useless.
Let the people who love to work find their bliss and pay them well. Let the rest survive.
The sharing of our planet begins with the sharing of our planet, and ends with the sharing of our planet, as one community. Simple.
I certainly did learn a lot about the manipulation of the masses through my career, and see the same patterns on the charts as I see in the World. I have a massive dislike for money and all it does to people, and will happily see my business crumble for the greater good :-)
There are many communities across the globe where only a few people need to work a few hours per week to feed the community. Same for clothing, healing, etc.
Most of the jobs on Earth serve no social purpose anyway. Bureaucracy, marketing, fashion, military, the production of shoddy goods - all useless.
Let the people who love to work find their bliss and pay them well. Let the rest survive.
The sharing of our planet begins with the sharing of our planet, and ends with the sharing of our planet, as one community. Simple.
I certainly did learn a lot about the manipulation of the masses through my career, and see the same patterns on the charts as I see in the World. I have a massive dislike for money and all it does to people, and will happily see my business crumble for the greater good :-)
I can understand your awakening Tree and I do have an idea how your policy works. But it is not like we expect people to be all good and do the job that makes them contribute to society. The communist manifesto that was designed by Karl Marx and supported by Engel, are all well and good. Buet to practice, what did it serve Stalin? Now it can be achieved if the given expectancy of the whole society is working for the good of all. Not like some are totally dependent and would profer a dole out. The trend of which the new democracy under liberalism is so profoundly exercised. Look at California for right now and the rest of the world, I feel the government wants us to feel obligated to be served by the few so that we don't complain. We don't raise our voice and in the end we are like sombies believing them to be doing great. The dumber and stupider we are, the freer they are to manipulate us. Now your model works I am sure, if evil is completely eliminated. I still want you to lay out the system and procedure as to how we can pick it up from here. Considering the many evils in our society, how would you take that into account?
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Treetopwanderer: Please let's not forget that we've recently murdered, at last check, over 210,000 of them. So far we still seem to be the bad guys
In your response, then we keep the tab as to who did worse and therefore justified an endless killing? You are not making sense Tree. Today, there is no religion that proclaim killing because of not believing..Yay.
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Now there are a couple of things to note. First it turned into a Israel bashing. Israel is at fault for Islamic terrorism. Secondly, the normal day for this annual event is November 29th. The organizers seemed to have a reason to advance the day before US Thanksgiving and nearer to the attacks in Paris, Mali and Sinai.
With 370 dead and over 300 injured, the organizers had to get the spin message to the cause....the Israel vs Palestine issue....out to the media and world.
But it does not add up. Why kill in Paris, if your enemy is Israeli? Why down a Russian airliner, if your enemy is Israeli? Why kill in Mali, if your enemy is Israel?
Moderate Muslims are starting to step forward and acknowledge that inside Islam there is a major problem. King Abdullah of Jordan....just went public with that message following the Paris attacks. I have listened to several moderate Muslim in the US echoing the message. They are recognizing the Islam has radical Jhadists inside that simply kill to be killing. Killing innocent people for the politics and for the formation of a Caliphate State.
The sooner that the Muslim countries of the world recognize the problem. The sooner a solution will be found. But as long as they spin the cause of radical Islam....the longer the Jhadist will think that some kind of political solution can be achieved to establish the Caliphate.
I wish I could say that the US was ready to fully engage ISIL and alQeada in world. But I cannot. President Obama containment's policies have failed. The question now is what is next? The US is in a Election cycle. Personally, I think President Obama is just riding this last year out.
Yes he met with Putin and Hollende to discuss ISIS and the situation. But as they say talk is cheap. Military action is costly. I will say that most in the US realize (this according to polling) the need to engage ISIS with stronger military operations. The US citizen recognizes the joint threat...to Europe, to moderate Muslims, to America...that alQeda and ISIL are.