lifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico16,713 posts
DaMooseLives: Así que mi querido amigo, parece que el Presidente Trump no le gusta la forma en que Canadá y México están juntos en las reuniones del TLCAN. ¡Muy mal! ¡ Unidos estamos de pie!
A Canadá no le importa México y lo entiendo, nuestro intercambio comercial no es significativo y Canadá tiene que seguirle el juego al payaso del Trump por el beneficio de su gente.
lifeisadream: Trading includes trading of goods and trading of services but again worry not, NAFTA is going to end and you will be losing not money at all.
On Hilary Trump supporters were brainwashed with many promises -still you do want to believe otherwise- then be my guest an enjoy it while it lasts.
I know exactly what they entail. When their goods and services, imported, exceed exported, it's a deficit.
The trade is included with ALL trade deals, you might make a few billion here, but it does no good if you've lost double to triple that some where else.
lifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico16,713 posts
Draegoneer: I know exactly what they entail. When their goods and services, imported, exceed exported, it's a deficit.
The trade is included with ALL trade deals, you might make a few billion here, but it does no good if you've lost double to triple that some where else.
I am glad you got the term right and yes it is a"deficit" and trading has so many factors/variables to consider.
lifeisadream: I am sure Hilary is not a saint but she might have some leverage.
Agreed, is any politician a Saint?
I am sure she, like every politician, cut corners, used her position to gain something, no different to Trump carrying out tax reform that only benefits the rich, as one of the 1% tax payers, Trump will hugely benefit. What has he done for the middle class? Oh yes made medical treatment more expensive and impossible to get if poor
lifeisadream: I am glad you got the term right and yes it is a"deficit" and trading has so many factors/variables to consider.
Our deficit was over $502 billion last year. The gap has been lowest it's been for about 8 months or so now. It can be tracked by month. It's annual that gives the balance.
lifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico16,713 posts
rizlared: Agreed, is any politician a Saint?
I am sure she, like every politician, cut corners, used her position to gain something, no different to Trump carrying out tax reform that only benefits the rich, as one of the 1% tax payers, Trump will hugely benefit. What has he done for the middle class? Oh yes made medical treatment more expensive and impossible to get if poor
George Bush is a Saint and the evidence is in a thread, right here.
Draegoneer: I know exactly what they entail. When their goods and services, imported, exceed exported, it's a deficit.
The trade is included with ALL trade deals, you might make a few billion here, but it does no good if you've lost double to triple that some where else.
Through the excellent leadership by Trump, the USA won't need to worry about international trade, because more and more countries don't want to do business with the USA, even China is spending more and more resources to open markets in Africa, Asia, Auz/NZ together with the UK and Europe, including starting a Financial centre, which the USA is not a part of.
lifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico16,713 posts
Draegoneer: Our deficit was over $502 billion last year. The gap has been lowest it's been for about 8 months or so now. It can be tracked by month. It's annual that gives the balance.
I know the numbers.
Reposting:
"...The TLC (NAFTA) is good and bad in every side and the magnitude in either side is not static. Mexico has not a significative trading with Canada, so ending the TLC for them is not a big deal. Canada and USA do have a big trading so, going bilateral should not be a problem, perhaps.
Mexico and USA have a big trading but we do sell avocados and tomatoes , so they must be able to find them some place else or substitute for them.
We on the other hand, do import lots of goods from USA but most of them are made in China so, why not to buy them directly from China?
Ending an agreement is not ipso facto, it takes time just like Brexit, Paris Accord, etc. but it will most probably change if not because of Trump, because of the next elected president here, perhaps. Anyway 2018 is going to be a hot political year for Mexico -already is- and the future of NAFTA along with the energy reform might have a different turn....
Draegoneer: Me thinks people underestimate the power of trade deal negotiations.
We're losing about $500 billion or so a year. Just getting 1/2 of that reduced in one year, would more than pay for the wall.
Heres a thought, get the God Trump to agree to build a wall that completely surrounds the USA, no problem with the cost as every other country in the world would happily help cover the costs, even supply cheap labour as Americans hate manual labour and have to use underpaid Mexicans to carry heavy items like books or a laptop
lifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico16,713 posts
rizlared: Through the excellent leadership by Trump, the USA won't need to worry about international trade, because more and more countries don't want to do business with the USA, even China is spending more and more resources to open markets in Africa, Asia, Auz/NZ together with the UK and Europe, including starting a Financial centre, which the USA is not a part of.
We do have a saying:
"Dog that barks never bites"
Not matter what a president says, there are business people that make their own decisions and overcome all those corners and there will always be trading. In some cases there is a triangle and some maneuvers that allow business people to import-export whatever. One president has not the power to direct/conduct or even stop trading yet making trading more expensive...who is going to pay for it?
"...The TLC (NAFTA) is good and bad in every side and the magnitude in either side is not static. Mexico has not a significative trading with Canada, so ending the TLC for them is not a big deal. Canada and USA do have a big trading so, going bilateral should not be a problem, perhaps.
Mexico and USA have a big trading but we do sell avocados and tomatoes , so they must be able to find them some place else or substitute for them.
We on the other hand, do import lots of goods from USA but most of them are made in China so, why not to buy them directly from China?
Ending an agreement is not ipso facto, it takes time just like Brexit, Paris Accord, etc. but it will most probably change if not because of Trump, because of the next elected president here, perhaps. Anyway 2018 is going to be a hot political year for Mexico -already is- and the future of NAFTA along with the energy reform might have a different turn....
We know it's going to be rough. It's still not about stopping trade. A good chunk of Mexico's imports are actually automotive related. That alone can average about $50 billion or more on it's own. The U.S. doesn't see any savings for the consumers with all that they don't pay out in labor and other overhead.
Our largest boost this year I think, has been more exports to China. I really do think the current administration is going to push hard for U.S. energy independence too. It's already on the rise.
The re-negotiations will allow all to think about their current trading. Better to have some give and take either way at random, than any to keep losing.
I still think China is one of the biggest winners there too. They own some of the U.S. and lots of exports going all over.
lifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico16,713 posts
rizlared: Heres a thought, get the God Trump to agree to build a wall that completely surrounds the USA, no problem with the cost as every other country in the world would happily help cover the costs, even supply cheap labour as Americans hate manual labour and have to use underpaid Mexicans to carry heavy items like books or a laptop
Recently, someone in my family had to renovate his/her USA visa for a work meeting there and this person said that there were not many Mexicans asking for a visa, as before Trump.
Not matter what a president says, there are business people that make their own decisions and overcome all those corners and there will always be trading. In some cases there is a triangle and some maneuvers that allow business people to import-export whatever. One president has not the power to direct/conduct or even stop trading yet making trading more expensive...who is going to pay for it?
Exactly
But try explaining that to the Tump supporters and you will be met with lies and crazy theories, the fact is, living in America is cheaper than living in almost any other 1st world country. It is going to hurt when the prices of everyday goods skyrockets to pay for the taxes.
lifeisadream: Recently, someone in my family had to renovate his/her USA visa for a work meeting there and this person said that there were not many Mexicans asking for a visa, as before Trump.
Because they are scared, they will be shot maybe. Can a person tell the difference visually between a legal immigrant or illegal immigrant?
lifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico16,713 posts
Draegoneer: We know it's going to be rough. It's still not about stopping trade. A good chunk of Mexico's imports are actually automotive related. That alone can average about $50 billion or more on it's own. The U.S. doesn't see any savings for the consumers with all that they don't pay out in labor and other overhead.
Our largest boost this year I think, has been more exports to China. I really do think the current administration is going to push hard for U.S. energy independence too. It's already on the rise.
The re-negotiations will allow all to think about their current trading. Better to have some give and take either way at random, than any to keep losing.
I still think China is one of the biggest winners there too. They own some of the U.S. and lots of exports going all over.
I might post some charts tomorrow about the trading and definitively China is a key piece and they are investing and buying strategic companies.
There is a Johnson and Johnson here but the owners are Chinese
lifeisadream: A Canadá no le importa México y lo entiendo, nuestro intercambio comercial no es significativo y Canadá tiene que seguirle el juego al payaso del Trump por el beneficio de su gente.
No estoy de acuerdo con mi amigo. Nieto y Trudeau parecen estar juntos. Aunque nuestros dos países no comercian mucho, tenemos el mismo problema en la actualidad-¿necesito decir quién?
"...The TLC (NAFTA) is good and bad in every side and the magnitude in either side is not static. Mexico has not a significative trading with Canada, so ending the TLC for them is not a big deal. Canada and USA do have a big trading so, going bilateral should not be a problem, perhaps.
Mexico and USA have a big trading but we do sell avocados and tomatoes , so they must be able to find them some place else or substitute for them.
We on the other hand, do import lots of goods from USA but most of them are made in China so, why not to buy them directly from China?
Ending an agreement is not ipso facto, it takes time just like Brexit, Paris Accord, etc. but it will most probably change if not because of Trump, because of the next elected president here, perhaps. Anyway 2018 is going to be a hot political year for Mexico -already is- and the future of NAFTA along with the energy reform might have a different turn....
So, how many avocado can I get for a beaver pelt and a gallon of maple syrup?
lifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico16,713 posts
rizlared: Because they are scared, they will be shot maybe. Can a person tell the difference visually between a legal immigrant or illegal immigrant?
Scared? No, I do not think so but with Trump hate speech during his campaign he did touch a soft fiber in the Mexicans and I can tell you that American Business are paying for that and that is to fair.
So the U.S. gets an actual leader, the first in about 20+ years and no one can stand the fact that even though it's slow, exports are on the rise, GDP has increased, illegal immigration might actually be down, the U.S. economy and job markets have gone up, funds for added security have been approved and work will begin, but still ignore it.
Now, if we can just get the government out of the things it shouldn't be in and stop spending what we don't have, we'll be all set.
The next step would be to get them investigating the right people that have actually done the wrong things so we can stop their pensions and retirements that they don't deserve.
Keep hard lining the opposites of improvements and preaching that media choir. They love you for it.
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A Canadá no le importa México y lo entiendo, nuestro intercambio comercial no es significativo y Canadá tiene que seguirle el juego al payaso del Trump por el beneficio de su gente.