smiley963OPJohannesburg, Gauteng South Africa3,651 posts
secludedStar: When you hold faith. Its been proven. To hold back other possibilities
You have a human right to a religion. I am not attacking it. We all have different ideas. Mine are not beliefs, but about things that I have read up on, from an early age. Some I agreed with but most not!!!
smiley963: You have a human right to a religion. I am not attacking it. We all have different ideas. Mine are not beliefs, but about things that I have read up on, from an early age. Some I agreed with but most not!!!
secludedStar: When you hold faith. Its been proven. To hold back other possibilities
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good report.
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff.
By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.
By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.
By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.
By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens. Hebrews 11:1-11, 17-24, 30-34
smiley963OPJohannesburg, Gauteng South Africa3,651 posts
mykingdomforanam: I'm glad you realize, your Big Bang Theory, is no better than a religious belief.
Without anybody able to duplicate the theory, it hasn't been proven, and only qualifies as a hypothesis.
Your belief in a Big Bang, is faith based.
It is the only logical/reasonable/intelligent solution for me. It has nothing to do with faith. If something cannot be proven, like lots of predictions, and history, does it indicate that they are all just a bunch of lies, or that they have some base of truth in science?
mykingdomforanam: After being raised to believe, "There's no such thing as God," all my beliefs come from questioning what I was taught.
I've heard of the Big Bang Theory.
There was the sound of an explosion, which suddenly created everything we see, from nothing.
It was plagerized from the Bible.
By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. Psalms 33:6
...they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; I did them suddenly, and they came to pass. Isaiah 48:3
smiley963: I don't agree with your interpretation, as it is impossible!
smiley963: The documented gods I know of, come from long before BC, can even be recorded, and is mentioned in the Pyramids, the ones with the elongated heads, and the ones on the wall pictures on the Egyptian boats from the sky, the ones that thereby came from the sky, etc
mykingdomforanam: Please explain why you think, this proves my interpretation isn't possible?
smiley963: Your god is also just a theory! No proof of any anywhere.
That's a Red Herring, not proof that my interpretation isn't possible.
Please explain how you think, you've proven my interpretation isn't possible?
smiley963: The big bang theory is based purely on science, possibilities, logic and intelligence. It's more possible than your belief structure.
The Big Bang Theory is based purely on outdated science, from another century.
You may believe it; but biologists can't even prove you exist in a physical body, and nobody can prove that the universe exists as a physical reality.
Every time they think they've found the smallest solid particle, they build a better microscope: and the things that appear as solid, are only energy...
That means... we don't have a physical geological record, or a fossile record.
That's 21st century science!
And it agrees with The Bible-
Hebrews 11:3 ...things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
smiley963OPJohannesburg, Gauteng South Africa3,651 posts
mykingdomforanam: The Big Bang Theory is based purely on outdated science, from another century.
You may believe it; but biologists can't even prove you exist in a physical body, and nobody can prove that the universe exists as a physical reality.
Every time they think they've found the smallest solid particle, they build a better microscope: and the things that appear as solid, are only energy...
That means... we don't have a physical geological record, or a fossile record.
That's 21st century science!
And it agrees with The Bible-
Hebrews 11:3 ...things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
The Bible from my exposure to it: The old testament is a history The new testament is the stories of the prophets Revelation, is like Nostradamus, in that they both foretell the future, and neither can be interpreted to really make sense. (If I have stated it wrong, just correct it?)
smiley963OPJohannesburg, Gauteng South Africa3,651 posts
secludedStar: I Could be wrong. (i'd Bet ON being wrong)
Tho, in most religions. isn't God considered to be "ALL-POWERFUL"
What I find the strangest about religions, in general, is: They all believe that they can pray, or talk to their priest about what they have done wrong, and it's immediately forgiven. Then they will just keep on doing the wrong things, be forgiven, and what's new to do? You're always forgiven, no matter what you do!!!
As a being of life. I can vouch that, having feelings, compassion, envy, anger, lust, and perhaps even faith, serve more as a weakness. As we blame our problems on such^
So
If you're ALL-POWERFUL . I guess you'd be missing out on those traits i mentioned. Geez.. to think of a god, that can't feel.
I would rather be Atheist when put into some different lines of thought-- . But anyone who claims to be Satanist.. I can' understand; where they find Him more re·lat·a·ble
smiley963OPJohannesburg, Gauteng South Africa3,651 posts
secludedStar: As a being of life. I can vouch that, having feelings, compassion, envy, anger, lust, and perhaps even faith, serve more as a weakness. As we blame our problems on such^
So
If you're ALL-POWERFUL . I guess you'd be missing out on those traits i mentioned. Geez.. to think of a god, that can't feel.
I would rather be Atheist when put into some different lines of thought-- . But anyone who claims to be Satanist.. I can' understand; where they find Him more re·lat·a·ble
I cannot understand the concept of a God or gods!!!
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