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jagtom: Is it right that Britain should pay £1.5 billion for developing countries to adapt to floods, cyclones and rising sea levels as Rishi Sunak has announced at Cop27? Absolutely. That is what aid money is for: to help countries cope with natural disasters. If you can spend some of this money in advance of those disasters so that these countries might better be able to cope with them when they do occur, then so much the better.
Would Britain be right, on the other hand, to pay reparations to developing countries on the basis that the industrial revolution started in Britain and we, therefore, have high historic carbon emissions? Absolutely not, and for several reasons. Firstly, there is no reason to apologise for the industrial revolution, which, for all the problems it has brought with pollution and so on, has enriched the entire world.
Secondly, while Britain might have started intensive coal-burning ahead of anyone else, our cumulative emissions have long since been overtaken by other countries. Britain is currently fifth on the list for cumulative emissions since 1750, with 78 billion tonnes. We are behind the US (417 billion tonnes), China (235), Russia (115) and Germany (92). It won’t be many years before we are overhauled by India (currently 54 billion tonnes). What happens then? Does India, as major polluter, start paying reparations to itself, as developing country affected by floods?
While Britain might have started intensive coal-burning first, our cumulative emissions have long since been overtaken by others
But there is a third reason why reparations for climate change make little sense. The evidence linking most weather-related disasters to manmade climate change wouldn’t stand up in court. Take this year’s Pakistan floods, mentioned numerous times this week in connection with the reparations issue. Can they really be laid at the door of man-made carbon emissions?
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A study by World Weather Attribution – an international consortium of scientists searching for links between higher global temperatures and adverse weather – published last month came to the conclusion that there was ‘likely’ a link between the intensity of the rainfall in Pakistan and rising global temperatures. But dig deeper into the document and you see the problem.
The study ran multiple climate models, with global temperatures as they are now and with global temperatures 1.2 Celsius lower than they are now, as they were in the mid-19th century. The results were all over the place. While some models did predict a large rise in the intensity of heavy rain in Pakistan following a 1.2 Celsius rise in global temperatures, others predicted less intense rainfall. As a result the
declined to quantify the change in risk of intense rainfall.
If you have bothered to read this opinion, tell me.
Would you put your hand in your pocket??????
Please answer with your usual grunt Would Britain be right, on the other hand, to pay reparations to developing countries on the basis that the industrial revolution started in Britain and we, therefore, have high historic carbon emissions? Absolutely not, and for several reasons. Firstly, there is no reason to apologise for the industrial revolution, which, for all the problems it has brought with pollution and so on, has enriched the entire world.
Secondly, while Britain might have started intensive coal-burning ahead of anyone else, our cumulative emissions have long since been overtaken by other countries. Britain is currently fifth on the list for cumulative emissions since 1750, with 78 billion tonnes. We are behind the US (417 billion tonnes), China (235), Russia (115) and Germany (92). It won’t be many years before we are overhauled by India (currently 54 billion tonnes). What happens then? Does India, as major polluter, start paying reparations to itself, as developing country affected by floods?
While Britain might have started intensive coal-burning first, our cumulative emissions have long since been overtaken by others
But there is a third reason why reparations for climate change make little sense. The evidence linking most weather-related disasters to manmade climate change wouldn’t stand up in court. Take this year’s Pakistan floods, mentioned numerous times this week in connection with the reparations issue. Can they really be laid at the door of man-made carbon emissions?
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A study by World Weather Attribution – an international consortium of scientists searching for links between higher global temperatures and adverse weather – published last month came to the conclusion that there was ‘likely’ a link between the intensity of the rainfall in Pakistan and rising global temperatures. But dig deeper into the document and you see the problem.
The study ran multiple climate models, with global temperatures as they are now and with global temperatures 1.2 Celsius lower than they are now, as they were in the mid-19th century. The results were all over the place. While some models did predict a large rise in the intensity of heavy rain in Pakistan following a 1.2 Celsius rise in global temperatures, others predicted less intense rainfall. As a result the
declined to quantify the change in risk of intense rainfall.
If you have bothered to read this opinion, tell me.
Would you put your hand in your pocket??????
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The statistics show that only 100 companies are responsible for 71% of the world's pollution.
I find it interesting to know that me and you are the ones punished and made feel guilty if we use plastic straws instead of paper ones, but those 100 companies in a world of 8 billion people are too prescious to be bothered.
Go figure...
I find it interesting to know that me and you are the ones punished and made feel guilty if we use plastic straws instead of paper ones, but those 100 companies in a world of 8 billion people are too prescious to be bothered.
Go figure...
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Britain doesn't tax the 7 billion alive today thanks to the industrial revolution. If that had been the setup over the centuries then they'd be quite right to demand compensation for a faulty product. But no they can get back what they paid for it(nothing).
And at any rate this is more like charity. I'm happy to pay to see you not drown because it's the right thing to do. Help because we can not because we're guilty. And besides what would do about the Russians? The soviets slaughtered the environment and placed untold strain upon the natural world but they're still broke. They don't have anything to show for it. The most guilty don't even have any money.
And at any rate this is more like charity. I'm happy to pay to see you not drown because it's the right thing to do. Help because we can not because we're guilty. And besides what would do about the Russians? The soviets slaughtered the environment and placed untold strain upon the natural world but they're still broke. They don't have anything to show for it. The most guilty don't even have any money.
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Ten_of_cupss: The statistics show that only 100 companies are responsible for 71% of the world's pollution.
I find it interesting to know that me and you are the ones punished and made feel guilty if we use plastic straws instead of paper ones, but those 100 companies in a world of 8 billion people are too prescious to be bothered.
Go figure...
Rishi is an assole.I find it interesting to know that me and you are the ones punished and made feel guilty if we use plastic straws instead of paper ones, but those 100 companies in a world of 8 billion people are too prescious to be bothered.
Go figure...
Britain has opened the door to paying climate change reparations to developing countries by supporting talks on the issue at the Cop27 summit.
On Sunday, at the meeting in Egypt, UK negotiators backed a last-minute agreement to address “loss and damage” payments to countries badly affected by climate-related disasters.
Rishi Sunak will appear at the conference in Sharm el-Sheikh on Monday, where he will pledge £65.5 million for green technology in developing countries.
The Prime Minister will say: “By honouring the pledges we made in Glasgow, we can turn our struggle against climate change into a global mission for new jobs and clean growth.
“And we can bequeath our children a greener planet and a more prosperous future. That’s a legacy we could be proud of.”
Boris Johnson will also deliver a speech warning against the “naysayers” who threaten Net Zero targets.
Pakistan is leading a push by developing countries including Bangladesh and the Maldives for compensation from richer countries responsible for most of the world’s pollution.
The UK backed the issue being on the Cop27 agenda during two days of negotiations ahead of the Egypt summit and is understood to accept that a deal must be done over the economic cost of climate change, which is forecast to reach $1trillion by 2050.
Of course Pakistan is getting on the bandwagon, BJ was nearer the mark of rejecting the freeloaders and coming out with a nay to The freeloaders using the ruse of twanging the western conscience over their success.
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1.China, with more than 10,065 million tons of CO2 released.
2.United States, with 5,416 million tons of CO2
3.India, with 2,654 million tons of CO2
4.Russia, with 1,711 million tons of CO2
5.Japan, 1,162 million tons of CO2
6.Germany, 759 million tons of CO2
7.Iran, 720 million tons of CO2
8.South Korea, 659 million tons of CO2
9.Saudi Arabia, 621 million tons of CO2
10.Indonesia, 615 million tons of CO2
The biggest polluters.
I'd like to see how these countries are dealt with, in the precise order as well
2.United States, with 5,416 million tons of CO2
3.India, with 2,654 million tons of CO2
4.Russia, with 1,711 million tons of CO2
5.Japan, 1,162 million tons of CO2
6.Germany, 759 million tons of CO2
7.Iran, 720 million tons of CO2
8.South Korea, 659 million tons of CO2
9.Saudi Arabia, 621 million tons of CO2
10.Indonesia, 615 million tons of CO2
The biggest polluters.
I'd like to see how these countries are dealt with, in the precise order as well
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jagtom: Rishi is an assole.
Britain has opened the door to paying climate change reparations to developing countries by supporting talks on the issue at the Cop27 summit.
On Sunday, at the meeting in Egypt, UK negotiators backed a last-minute agreement to address “loss and damage” payments to countries badly affected by climate-related disasters.
Rishi Sunak will appear at the conference in Sharm el-Sheikh on Monday, where he will pledge £65.5 million for green technology in developing countries.
The Prime Minister will say: “By honouring the pledges we made in Glasgow, we can turn our struggle against climate change into a global mission for new jobs and clean growth.
“And we can bequeath our children a greener planet and a more prosperous future. That’s a legacy we could be proud of.”
Boris Johnson will also deliver a speech warning against the “naysayers” who threaten Net Zero targets.
Pakistan is leading a push by developing countries including Bangladesh and the Maldives for compensation from richer countries responsible for most of the world’s pollution.
The UK backed the issue being on the Cop27 agenda during two days of negotiations ahead of the Egypt summit and is understood to accept that a deal must be done over the economic cost of climate change, which is forecast to reach $1trillion by 2050.
Of course Pakistan is getting on the bandwagon, BJ was nearer the mark of rejecting the freeloaders and coming out with a nay to The freeloaders using the ruse of twanging the western conscience over their success.
I don't see any developing countries in the list of polluters.Britain has opened the door to paying climate change reparations to developing countries by supporting talks on the issue at the Cop27 summit.
On Sunday, at the meeting in Egypt, UK negotiators backed a last-minute agreement to address “loss and damage” payments to countries badly affected by climate-related disasters.
Rishi Sunak will appear at the conference in Sharm el-Sheikh on Monday, where he will pledge £65.5 million for green technology in developing countries.
The Prime Minister will say: “By honouring the pledges we made in Glasgow, we can turn our struggle against climate change into a global mission for new jobs and clean growth.
“And we can bequeath our children a greener planet and a more prosperous future. That’s a legacy we could be proud of.”
Boris Johnson will also deliver a speech warning against the “naysayers” who threaten Net Zero targets.
Pakistan is leading a push by developing countries including Bangladesh and the Maldives for compensation from richer countries responsible for most of the world’s pollution.
The UK backed the issue being on the Cop27 agenda during two days of negotiations ahead of the Egypt summit and is understood to accept that a deal must be done over the economic cost of climate change, which is forecast to reach $1trillion by 2050.
Of course Pakistan is getting on the bandwagon, BJ was nearer the mark of rejecting the freeloaders and coming out with a nay to The freeloaders using the ruse of twanging the western conscience over their success.
Therefor it's fair to be compensated.
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Ten_of_cupss: 1.China, with more than 10,065 million tons of CO2 released.
2.United States, with 5,416 million tons of CO2
3.India, with 2,654 million tons of CO2
4.Russia, with 1,711 million tons of CO2
5.Japan, 1,162 million tons of CO2
6.Germany, 759 million tons of CO2
7.Iran, 720 million tons of CO2
8.South Korea, 659 million tons of CO2
9.Saudi Arabia, 621 million tons of CO2
10.Indonesia, 615 million tons of CO2
The biggest polluters.
I'd like to see how these countries are dealt with, in the precise order as well
Love it.2.United States, with 5,416 million tons of CO2
3.India, with 2,654 million tons of CO2
4.Russia, with 1,711 million tons of CO2
5.Japan, 1,162 million tons of CO2
6.Germany, 759 million tons of CO2
7.Iran, 720 million tons of CO2
8.South Korea, 659 million tons of CO2
9.Saudi Arabia, 621 million tons of CO2
10.Indonesia, 615 million tons of CO2
The biggest polluters.
I'd like to see how these countries are dealt with, in the precise order as well
BoJo comments
Former UK prime minister Boris Johnson on Monday said the UK did not have the financial resources to pay “reparations” to low-income countries affected by climate change.
Speaking at an event organised by the New York Times at COP27 in Egypt, Johnson said climate action had been “one of the most important collateral victims” of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and called for leaders not to give in to “energy blackmail”.
He said net zero would have to be achieved through investments from the private sector in partnership with the international community rather than through taxpayers in western countries.
“Per capita, people in the UK put a lot of carbon in the atmosphere,” Johnson said. “But what we cannot do I’m afraid is make up for that with some sort of reparations, we simply do not have the financial resources.”
Please note Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2022. All rights reserved.
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jagtom: Is it right that Britain should pay £1.5 billion for developing countries to adapt to floods, cyclones and rising sea levels as Rishi Sunak has announced at Cop27? Absolutely. That is what aid money is for: to help countries cope with natural disasters. If you can spend some of this money in advance of those disasters so that these countries might better be able to cope with them when they do occur, then so much the better.
Would Britain be right, on the other hand, to pay reparations to developing countries on the basis that the industrial revolution started in Britain and we, therefore, have high historic carbon emissions? Absolutely not, and for several reasons. Firstly, there is no reason to apologise for the industrial revolution, which, for all the problems it has brought with pollution and so on, has enriched the entire world.
Secondly, while Britain might have started intensive coal-burning ahead of anyone else, our cumulative emissions have long since been overtaken by other countries. Britain is currently fifth on the list for cumulative emissions since 1750, with 78 billion tonnes. We are behind the US (417 billion tonnes), China (235), Russia (115) and Germany (92). It won’t be many years before we are overhauled by India (currently 54 billion tonnes). What happens then? Does India, as major polluter, start paying reparations to itself, as developing country affected by floods?
While Britain might have started intensive coal-burning first, our cumulative emissions have long since been overtaken by others
But there is a third reason why reparations for climate change make little sense. The evidence linking most weather-related disasters to manmade climate change wouldn’t stand up in court. Take this year’s Pakistan floods, mentioned numerous times this week in connection with the reparations issue. Can they really be laid at the door of man-made carbon emissions?
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A study by World Weather Attribution – an international consortium of scientists searching for links between higher global temperatures and adverse weather – published last month came to the conclusion that there was ‘likely’ a link between the intensity of the rainfall in Pakistan and rising global temperatures. But dig deeper into the document and you see the problem.
The study ran multiple climate models, with global temperatures as they are now and with global temperatures 1.2 Celsius lower than they are now, as they were in the mid-19th century. The results were all over the place. While some models did predict a large rise in the intensity of heavy rain in Pakistan following a 1.2 Celsius rise in global temperatures, others predicted less intense rainfall. As a result the
declined to quantify the change in risk of intense rainfall.
If you have bothered to read this opinion, tell me.
Would you put your hand in your pocket??????
Yeah, Russia is the cause of all evil in this world.Would Britain be right, on the other hand, to pay reparations to developing countries on the basis that the industrial revolution started in Britain and we, therefore, have high historic carbon emissions? Absolutely not, and for several reasons. Firstly, there is no reason to apologise for the industrial revolution, which, for all the problems it has brought with pollution and so on, has enriched the entire world.
Secondly, while Britain might have started intensive coal-burning ahead of anyone else, our cumulative emissions have long since been overtaken by other countries. Britain is currently fifth on the list for cumulative emissions since 1750, with 78 billion tonnes. We are behind the US (417 billion tonnes), China (235), Russia (115) and Germany (92). It won’t be many years before we are overhauled by India (currently 54 billion tonnes). What happens then? Does India, as major polluter, start paying reparations to itself, as developing country affected by floods?
While Britain might have started intensive coal-burning first, our cumulative emissions have long since been overtaken by others
But there is a third reason why reparations for climate change make little sense. The evidence linking most weather-related disasters to manmade climate change wouldn’t stand up in court. Take this year’s Pakistan floods, mentioned numerous times this week in connection with the reparations issue. Can they really be laid at the door of man-made carbon emissions?
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A study by World Weather Attribution – an international consortium of scientists searching for links between higher global temperatures and adverse weather – published last month came to the conclusion that there was ‘likely’ a link between the intensity of the rainfall in Pakistan and rising global temperatures. But dig deeper into the document and you see the problem.
The study ran multiple climate models, with global temperatures as they are now and with global temperatures 1.2 Celsius lower than they are now, as they were in the mid-19th century. The results were all over the place. While some models did predict a large rise in the intensity of heavy rain in Pakistan following a 1.2 Celsius rise in global temperatures, others predicted less intense rainfall. As a result the
declined to quantify the change in risk of intense rainfall.
If you have bothered to read this opinion, tell me.
Would you put your hand in your pocket??????
Itis beginning to sound ridiculous even to the Russian haters.
The elephant in the room is too big to be dismissed, me thinks...
Approximately 10% of the Earth surface is populated. That says something.
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And we can look back on our own history with a certain sense of relief. Thank God we were the way we were, a society where capitalists had to contend with other capitalists, landed aristocrats and even religion we had limits on what progress was allowed to do. Russia and China are the worst offenders because they had no limits on progress, nothing they wouldn't do to make profit and yet you still wouldn't want to live there.
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And seeing as we're talking about communism. More concerning isn't the idea of helping people in a natural disaster but how it works out in practice. What if it's like the recycling was, paying poor countries to take our waste and throw it in the sea? That wasn't the agreement but that is what happened. How do we know who to trust?
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Would you put your hand in your pocket??????Someone already has a hand in it so why all the copy and paste.
What's your personal take on this .
What's your personal take on this .
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Tiger_Moth: It will be even higher if we don't do something about it.
By the way don't visit Sidmouth you could get trampled by some angry donkeys.
I can't go to Blackpool now because the donkeys have threatened me with death by carrot , not sure what that meansBy the way don't visit Sidmouth you could get trampled by some angry donkeys.
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jagtom: I can't go to Blackpool now because the donkeys have threatened me with death by carrot , not sure what that means
You've had a lucky escape then , but from Blackpool not the donkeys.Don't mock them though as the Donkey Sanctuary does tremendous work and is one of the richest charities around.
Founded in 1969 by hotelier Elisabeth Doreen Svendsen MBE, known as Betty, the sanctuary grew from the first ever donkey called Naughty Face to its worldwide operation today.
It cares for nearly 7,000 animals, employs more than 600 staff in the UK and funds more than 220 roles in countries including Ethiopia, Mexico, India and Kenya.
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Tiger_Moth: You've had a lucky escape then , but from Blackpool not the donkeys.
Don't mock them though as the Donkey Sanctuary does tremendous work and is one of the richest charities around.
Founded in 1969 by hotelier Elisabeth Doreen Svendsen MBE, known as Betty, the sanctuary grew from the first ever donkey called Naughty Face to its worldwide operation today.
It cares for nearly 7,000 animals, employs more than 600 staff in the UK and funds more than 220 roles in countries including Ethiopia, Mexico, India and Kenya.
You must be a member then, so people were right when they called you Dobbin, I'll pass one of the carrots on to you, I'm sure you'll find a good use for it.Don't mock them though as the Donkey Sanctuary does tremendous work and is one of the richest charities around.
Founded in 1969 by hotelier Elisabeth Doreen Svendsen MBE, known as Betty, the sanctuary grew from the first ever donkey called Naughty Face to its worldwide operation today.
It cares for nearly 7,000 animals, employs more than 600 staff in the UK and funds more than 220 roles in countries including Ethiopia, Mexico, India and Kenya.
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jagtom: You must be a member then, so people were right when they called you Dobbin, I'll pass one of the carrots on to you, I'm sure you'll find a good use for it.
Wrong. My Solicitor told me not to leave them money in my will as they get millions so I chose 2 others .
You can label me anything you like catty boy[ or actually O.A.P.] as it says more about you than it ever does me sunshine.
P.S. They love ginger biscuits to .
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Ten_of_cupss: UK sits at number 8 based on annual plastic waste.
Now as Turkey has banned importing plastic waste to recycle and UK was sending 30% of its own there, where are you going to dump your waste, Tom?
May be use the "charity" money to build your own recycling facilities?
This link is interesting Ten and yes we do need to improve how we deal with plastic waste. I get sick of beaches littered with holiday makers leftovers .Who in their right minds would leave soiled nappies ,and yes we have picked them up on clean up days when the general public get involved with keeping the beaches and the sea cleaner in my area.Now as Turkey has banned importing plastic waste to recycle and UK was sending 30% of its own there, where are you going to dump your waste, Tom?
May be use the "charity" money to build your own recycling facilities?
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Tiger_Moth: Wrong. My Solicitor told me not to leave them money in my will as they get millions so I chose 2 others .
You can label me anything you like catty boy[ or actually O.A.P.] as it says more about you than it ever does me sunshine.
P.S. They love ginger biscuits to .
Oh, you've been soliciting again,, who loves Ginger Biscuits not me?You can label me anything you like catty boy[ or actually O.A.P.] as it says more about you than it ever does me sunshine.
P.S. They love ginger biscuits to .
I bet you thought I was talking about you when I mentioned Scarlette, but I meant the Scarlette on, Get Me Outa Here.
Silly Girl
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Ten_of_cupss: UK sits at number 8 based on annual plastic waste.
Now as Turkey has banned importing plastic waste to recycle and UK was sending 30% of its own there, where are you going to dump your waste, Tom?
May be use the "charity" money to build your own recycling facilities?
Nothing to be proud of is it Ten.Now as Turkey has banned importing plastic waste to recycle and UK was sending 30% of its own there, where are you going to dump your waste, Tom?
May be use the "charity" money to build your own recycling facilities?
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jagtom: Oh, you've been soliciting again,, who loves Ginger Biscuits not me?
I bet you thought I was talking about you when I mentioned Scarlette, but I meant the Scarlette on, Get Me Outa Here.
Silly Girl
I was referring to you calling me Dobbin idiot. As for Scarlett I don't watch the same crap you do.I bet you thought I was talking about you when I mentioned Scarlette, but I meant the Scarlette on, Get Me Outa Here.
Silly Girl
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Would Britain be right, on the other hand, to pay reparations to developing countries on the basis that the industrial revolution started in Britain and we, therefore, have high historic carbon emissions? Absolutely not, and for several reasons. Firstly, there is no reason to apologise for the industrial revolution, which, for all the problems it has brought with pollution and so on, has enriched the entire world.
Secondly, while Britain might have started intensive coal-burning ahead of anyone else, our cumulative emissions have long since been overtaken by other countries. Britain is currently fifth on the list for cumulative emissions since 1750, with 78 billion tonnes. We are behind the US (417 billion tonnes), China (235), Russia (115) and Germany (92). It won’t be many years before we are overhauled by India (currently 54 billion tonnes). What happens then? Does India, as major polluter, start paying reparations to itself, as developing country affected by floods?
While Britain might have started intensive coal-burning first, our cumulative emissions have long since been overtaken by others
But there is a third reason why reparations for climate change make little sense. The evidence linking most weather-related disasters to manmade climate change wouldn’t stand up in court. Take this year’s Pakistan floods, mentioned numerous times this week in connection with the reparations issue. Can they really be laid at the door of man-made carbon emissions?
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A study by World Weather Attribution – an international consortium of scientists searching for links between higher global temperatures and adverse weather – published last month came to the conclusion that there was ‘likely’ a link between the intensity of the rainfall in Pakistan and rising global temperatures. But dig deeper into the document and you see the problem.
The study ran multiple climate models, with global temperatures as they are now and with global temperatures 1.2 Celsius lower than they are now, as they were in the mid-19th century. The results were all over the place. While some models did predict a large rise in the intensity of heavy rain in Pakistan following a 1.2 Celsius rise in global temperatures, others predicted less intense rainfall. As a result the
declined to quantify the change in risk of intense rainfall.
If you have bothered to read this opinion, tell me.
Would you put your hand in your pocket??????