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Jan 15, 2023 8:58 AM CST Fancy words just confuse...
Ray650
Ray650Ray650South San Francisco, California USA20 Threads 2 Polls 284 Posts
jac_the_gripper: We should ask whether out-dated labelling of entire nations, or cultures is functional with respect to moving beyond our historical and current transgressions.
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Jan 15, 2023 9:55 AM CST Fancy words just confuse...
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
spikkels999: I Believe this matter can now be laid to rest...
You know living in SA, is an eye opener to the rest...You need to live here first before commenting...
I'm a very big Patriot...iow:- love my country to bits...
Perhaps likewise, you need to live here before labelling UK people as thinking themselves superior. dunno

My intention is always to refine arguments with the aim of improving my own understanding and awareness of issues. Perhaps you mistake that for me thinking myself personally superior, rather than going through a process of making each argument (in the philosophical sense) superior to the last one, whether I proposed it, or someone else did.

Certainly, one cannot learn, nor progress from people who agree with you all the time. Personal progress relies upon being challenged.

My mum, for whom English was her second fluent language, said she preferred English because it was so expressive - so many words have 20 others that mean roughly the same thing, but are all subtly different. If I'm arguing a point, or describing something, I like to get the version which exactly expresses the nuanced meaning I wish to convey.

I regularly use the dictionary, including when I'm reading other people's posts. I put a lot of effort into trying to convey my own and understand others' true meaning. Yes, fancy words can confuse, but so can simple ones: both are open to misunderstanding, misinterpretation, or interpretation from our own value framework.

The reason why the law and legal documents are so confusing to the untrained reader is because each word has a precise a meaning as possible to limit confusion and misinterpretation of the law by those who are trained to read it. That's a good thing, but the downside is the rest of us can fall foul of legal agreements we have undertaken, but not fully understood.
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Jan 15, 2023 11:25 AM CST Fancy words just confuse...
spikkels999
spikkels999spikkels999..., Gauteng South Africa103 Threads 843 Posts
jac_the_gripper: Perhaps likewise, you need to live here before labelling UK people as thinking themselves superior.

My intention is always to refine arguments with the aim of improving my own understanding and awareness of issues. Perhaps you mistake that for me thinking myself personally superior, rather than going through a process of making each argument (in the philosophical sense) superior to the last one, whether I proposed it, or someone else did.

Certainly, one cannot learn, nor progress from people who agree with you all the time. Personal progress relies upon being challenged.

My mum, for whom English was her second fluent language, said she preferred English because it was so expressive - so many words have 20 others that mean roughly the same thing, but are all subtly different. If I'm arguing a point, or describing something, I like to get the version which exactly expresses the nuanced meaning I wish to convey.

I regularly use the dictionary, including when I'm reading other people's posts. I put a lot of effort into trying to convey my own and understand others' true meaning. Yes, fancy words can confuse, but so can simple ones: both are open to misunderstanding, misinterpretation, or interpretation from our own value framework.

The reason why the law and legal documents are so confusing to the untrained reader is because each word has a precise a meaning as possible to limit confusion and misinterpretation of the law by those who are trained to read it. That's a good thing, but the downside is the rest of us can fall foul of legal agreements we have undertaken, but not fully understood.
I call it reading between the lines:-
You try to understand what is written / spoken, then read the feelings / body language and vibes...
I have no problem understanding law (studied it)...or Big words...have a Photographic memory...
I pick up languages Very easily...
I used to read the Dictionaries for fun, but am past it now, for lack of time...
My home language is not English, but my kids are British...thus I speak British more than Afrikaans...
When I create Threads, it's with everyone in mind...
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Jan 15, 2023 2:30 PM CST Fancy words just confuse...
Iyyov
IyyovIyyovPwetty Blue Planet, Washington USA3 Threads 253 Posts
MariaR33: ... After a bit I started writing down strange words they said to look it up later. ....
I did exactly the same thing, and found that they weren't made up, and actually made more sense than the alternatives that I knew. Combined with that, I tried reading the Bible, when I was very young. There were too many "big words!" So, did I give up? No! I persevered. I went through the Entire Bible and looked up Every Single Word that I didn't know, that was used in it. I am no longer confused by such things, in any way.

To this day, I sit with a dictionary by my side. If I recall a word that I wish to use, but I'm not entirely certain of how to use it, I look it up, and not Online! (Unless my spelling is so atrocious, that only the Search Engine's Algorithm is the only thing that can save me.)

So, I to try to target my language to the average person, I don't avoid "Big Words." I expect people to grab a dictionary, or even a thesaurus, and to look these manageable beasties up, and to tame them and to make them their own.

For those that don't, it is a choice, and one is rewarded by their own efforts. (And yes, I did have to use my ever-present dictionary, once, while writing this. :)

Shalom,
Iyyov
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Jan 15, 2023 2:50 PM CST Fancy words just confuse...
Iyyov
IyyovIyyovPwetty Blue Planet, Washington USA3 Threads 253 Posts
jac_the_gripper: ....but forgot to preview.
I started proofreading in the previewer, for that exact same reason. :)
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Jan 15, 2023 2:54 PM CST Fancy words just confuse...
Iyyov
IyyovIyyovPwetty Blue Planet, Washington USA3 Threads 253 Posts
Sorry about suddenly returning to the original thread.....
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Jan 15, 2023 3:17 PM CST Fancy words just confuse...
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
Iyyov: I started proofreading in the previewer, for that exact same reason. :)
I usually do that for my last proof read if I've added square brackets, but forget sometimes.

Unfortunately, because of the type of dyslexia I have neither the comment box, nor the preview are particularly good fonts.

The posted article is in a great font for spotting my errors, though. mumbling laugh
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