Enough is enough (87)

Nov 22, 2023 4:06 PM CST Enough is enough
Youcannow
YoucannowYoucannowLondon, Essex, England UK95 Threads 3,517 Posts
How much more bloodshed do we need before politicians come to their senses & realise that life is more important than strategic domination.
Nov 22, 2023 4:12 PM CST Enough is enough
Youcannow
YoucannowYoucannowLondon, Essex, England UK95 Threads 3,517 Posts
As a Christian, I have no affiliation with either Israel nor Palestinians, but as a human being with empathy.
All I see is politicians with their propaganda agendas criticising each other & justifying the killing of innocent civilians.
Nov 22, 2023 4:39 PM CST Enough is enough
Hamas can wave the white flag tomorrow, and all deaths will stop.
This you don't expect do you John... but instead
you expect the Israelis to be mature and responsible. As always.
No- not this time.
Enough is enough you see, so this time you can ask that from Hamas.

Write the leadership of Hamas a letter stating that you want them to surrender right now,
in order to save civilan casualties among their own.
Send it to Hyatt Regency Oryx Doha, Qatar where their leader
might be staying for the night.
Nov 22, 2023 4:51 PM CST Enough is enough
Youcannow
YoucannowYoucannowLondon, Essex, England UK95 Threads 3,517 Posts
Grandsiozzie: Hamas can wave the white flag tomorrow, and all deaths will stop.
This you don't expect do you John... but instead
you expect the Israelis to be mature and responsible. As always.
No- not this time.
Enough is enough you see, so this time you can ask that from Hamas.

Write the leadership of Hamas a letter stating that you want them to surrender right now,
in order to save civilan casualties among their own.
Send it to Hyatt Regency Oryx Doha, Qatar where their leader
might be staying for the night.
What exactly are they surrendering to ?
Their freedom, their right to their own state .
The right to self govern . Freedom from oppression.

Explain to me ?
Nov 22, 2023 4:53 PM CST Enough is enough
Youcannow
YoucannowYoucannowLondon, Essex, England UK95 Threads 3,517 Posts
You expect a people without freedom of movement, with no airport , no seaport .
We talk about the 240 hostage , but what about the 2million plus hostages in Gaza ?
Nov 22, 2023 4:56 PM CST Enough is enough
Youcannow
YoucannowYoucannowLondon, Essex, England UK95 Threads 3,517 Posts
While we talk about the maturity of Israel .
Why don’t you let the world know that Israel is the only country that can detain children and imprison them without trial , or access to a lawyer for something trivial like throwing a stone .
Nov 22, 2023 5:51 PM CST Enough is enough
What would Hamas surrender to?
Overwhelming power.

If you by now can not distinguish between the Hamas terror-rule of own people
and the people itself and what they might need-
then I think you are more pessimistic than me about a positive outcome.

Let Israel wipe out what they can of these crazy gangsters
(Hamas.. in case you're wondering)
and after that try and sit down with the "elderly" of the place to see
if one can establish a new government that is not f'd up.
You relly believe in how Hamas ruled Gaza since 2005 do you,
they did a good job?

batting
Nov 22, 2023 5:58 PM CST Enough is enough
Youcannow: You expect a people without freedom of movement, with no airport , no seaport .
We talk about the 240 hostage , but what about the 2million plus hostages in Gaza ?
I feel like you are dumbing down here.

If they want to be treated with respect and given freedom they have to mature up and act accordingly. Start with recognizing Israel as a state. No more "deat to Israel" chanting please.
That is number one.
Act worthy. And all good things would develop from thet.

Instead the Gazenians let themselves dictate by the Hamas-Iran axis of evil. Capish?
That has to be broken. Israel is in there as we speak trying to fix it.
Wish them good luck.
Nov 22, 2023 6:12 PM CST Enough is enough
Youcannow
YoucannowYoucannowLondon, Essex, England UK95 Threads 3,517 Posts
Grandsiozzie: I feel like you are dumbing down here.

If they want to be treated with respect and given freedom they have to mature up and act accordingly. Start with recognizing Israel as a state. No more "deat to Israel" chanting please.
That is number one.
Act worthy. And all good things would develop from thet.

Instead the Gazenians let themselves dictate by the Hamas-Iran axis of evil. Capish?
That has to be broken. Israel is in there as we speak trying to fix it.
Wish them good luck.
Before we speak about Hamas ( and I’m not a fan or support them in any way ) let’s talk about the voices come out of Israel .
Quotes like “let’s nuke them”
“Palestinians are human animals “
“Let’s flatten Gaza” these quotes are coming from senior government officials.

Let me tell you how things work .
When you control , or there is a country the controls every movement, everything that moves in & out of your land , there will always be a resistance.

If you’re going to criticise Hamas , then you must also criticise Ukraine for trying to liberate their land .
Nov 22, 2023 6:17 PM CST Enough is enough
Youcannow
YoucannowYoucannowLondon, Essex, England UK95 Threads 3,517 Posts
Grandsiozzie: I feel like you are dumbing down here.

If they want to be treated with respect and given freedom they have to mature up and act accordingly. Start with recognizing Israel as a state. No more "deat to Israel" chanting please.
That is number one.
Act worthy. And all good things would develop from thet.

Instead the Gazenians let themselves dictate by the Hamas-Iran axis of evil. Capish?
That has to be broken. Israel is in there as we speak trying to fix it.
Wish them good luck.
Do you mean like what is going on in the West Bank , with Israeli settlers land grabbing & killing civilians. Burning their houses & terrorising Palestinians. ( no Hamas there )
Nov 23, 2023 11:03 AM CST Enough is enough
Youcannow: Before we speak about Hamas ( and I’m not a fan or support them in any way ) let’s talk about the voices come out of Israel .
Quotes like “let’s nuke them”
“Palestinians are human animals “
“Let’s flatten Gaza” these quotes are coming from senior government officials.

Let me tell you how things work .
When you control , or there is a country the controls every movement, everything that moves in & out of your land , there will always be a resistance.

If you’re going to criticise Hamas , then you must also criticise Ukraine for trying to liberate their land .
I aree with the flattening of the place if they don't wise up and be humble on the
negotiation table when time comes for a new leadership on the strip.
That will be their one chance. If they still chant "kill the Jews"
I'd deport the ones who is impossible to send elsewhere over to Abbas West Bank,
can he deal with them. Fully understand that idea.

I criticised Ukraine since day one.
I see clear similarities between Gaza and Kiev:
a corrupt government that don't give much f's about their own people.
Nov 23, 2023 3:37 PM CST Enough is enough
Youcannow
YoucannowYoucannowLondon, Essex, England UK95 Threads 3,517 Posts
Grandsiozzie: I aree with the flattening of the place if they don't wise up and be humble on the
negotiation table when time comes for a new leadership on the strip.
That will be their one chance. If they still chant "kill the Jews"
I'd deport the ones who is impossible to send elsewhere over to Abbas West Bank,
can he deal with them. Fully understand that idea.

I criticised Ukraine since day one.
I see clear similarities between Gaza and Kiev:
a corrupt government that don't give much f's about their own people.
Ok , so we have a fragile 4 day truce , which will allow a hostage exchange .
The Israelis will continue the war with Gaza in the south where the displaced Palestinians have been told to evacuate & according to the IDF , this will continue for another 2 months until Hamas is eradicated.
So my question is , how many more civilians will lose their lives before the international communities intervene?
Nov 23, 2023 4:00 PM CST Enough is enough
Sorry Gentlemen, for interfering in your dialogue, but there is a small correction... this is not a war with Gaza, this is a war with Hamas... there will be many more victims, and no one organization will intervene after watching a 47-minute film shown to representatives of all kinds "peacekeeping" organizations. The rhetoric of the media will change very soon..
Grandsi , totally agree enough is enough.. it should be done once and forever. Here is a link to understand the special “interest” of the British in the topic of Israel-Palestine wars
Nov 23, 2023 4:01 PM CST Enough is enough
Youcannow: Ok , so we have a fragile 4 day truce , which will allow a hostage exchange .
The Israelis will continue the war with Gaza in the south where the displaced Palestinians have been told to evacuate & according to the IDF , this will continue for another 2 months until Hamas is eradicated.
So my question is , how many more civilians will lose their lives before the international communities intervene?
I think I can answer your rethoric question: many.
And no, the international communities will not intervene, neither will outside countries.
That is my prediction.
I know it's horrific but this has to run its course.
Cos a change must come to Gaza.
This time.
Nov 23, 2023 4:11 PM CST Enough is enough
Youcannow
YoucannowYoucannowLondon, Essex, England UK95 Threads 3,517 Posts
Grandsiozzie: I think I can answer your rethoric question: many.
And no, the international communities will not intervene, neither will outside countries.
That is my prediction.
I know it's horrific but this has to run its course.
Cos a change must come to Gaza.
This time.
So you agree that many more innocent women & children with be slaughtered in the coming weeks & months .
My worry is that there will be more children that will be radicalised , which in essence, will create another generation of Hamas, not only in Palestine but in the free world .
We have 4 million Muslims here in England & we are already seeing anti-Semitic violence increase .
How long will the Muslim world stay silent before it boils over into something more serious.
Nov 23, 2023 4:20 PM CST Enough is enough
Youcannow
YoucannowYoucannowLondon, Essex, England UK95 Threads 3,517 Posts
salamuna: Sorry Gentlemen, for interfering in your dialogue, but there is a small correction... this is not a war with Gaza, this is a war with Hamas... there will be many more victims, and no one organization will intervene after watching a 47-minute film shown to representatives of all kinds "peacekeeping" organizations. The rhetoric of the media will change very soon..
Grandsi , totally agree enough is enough.. it should be done once and forever. Here is a link to understand the special “interest” of the British in the topic of Israel-Palestine wars
I’m not interested in propaganda wars .
Sorry .
Nov 23, 2023 4:21 PM CST Enough is enough
salamuna: Sorry Gentlemen, for interfering in your dialogue, but there is a small correction... this is not a war with Gaza, this is a war with Hamas... there will be many more victims, and no one organization will intervene after watching a 47-minute film shown to representatives of all kinds "peacekeeping" organizations. The rhetoric of the media will change very soon..
Grandsi , totally agree enough is enough.. it should be done once and forever. Here is a link to understand the special “interest” of the British in the topic of Israel-Palestine wars
Sala, imagine if it works. (What's left of) Hamas has to take off their war clothes and go home to mama.
And a new leadership emerges; one who cuts all ties to Iran. Imagine that. Imagine (starting to sound like John Lennon...haha) imagine if this new rule of Gaza can accept Israel, and in return be accepted back. What a great start. Next all kinds of businesses will flourish on the slim peace of land. The greenhuses will be back, sat up by Israel in a joint veture. Tourism would kick start in a way never seen there ever. Cruise ships going in and it of a newly built harbour packed with European courious lefties ready for some sun, sangria and PLO scarfs. This could be the next Dubai for radicals.

But nohhh... resistaaance you see.... lol
Resistance to progress I suppose.
The stupidity is overwhelming.

playball
Nov 23, 2023 4:22 PM CST Enough is enough
Youcannow
YoucannowYoucannowLondon, Essex, England UK95 Threads 3,517 Posts
salamuna: Sorry Gentlemen, for interfering in your dialogue, but there is a small correction... this is not a war with Gaza, this is a war with Hamas... there will be many more victims, and no one organization will intervene after watching a 47-minute film shown to representatives of all kinds "peacekeeping" organizations. The rhetoric of the media will change very soon..
Grandsi , totally agree enough is enough.. it should be done once and forever. Here is a link to understand the special “interest” of the British in the topic of Israel-Palestine wars
If this is not a war on Palestinians ( and I’m not saying it is) why doesn’t the IDF , with all its military supremacy, go into Gaza & fight Hamas without flattening the place ?
Nov 23, 2023 4:25 PM CST Enough is enough
Youcannow
YoucannowYoucannowLondon, Essex, England UK95 Threads 3,517 Posts
Grandsiozzie: Sala, imagine if it works. (What's left of) Hamas has to take off their war clothes and go home to mama.
And a new leadership emerges; one who cuts all ties to Iran. Imagine that. Imagine (starting to sound like John Lennon...haha) imagine if this new rule of Gaza can accept Israel, and in return be accepted back. What a great start. Next all kinds of businesses will flourish on the slim peace of land. The greenhuses will be back, sat up by Israel in a joint veture. Tourism would kick start in a way never seen there ever. Cruise ships going in and it of a newly built harbour packed with European courious lefties ready for some sun, sangria and PLO scarfs. This could be the next Dubai for radicals.

But nohhh... resistaaance you see.... lol
Resistance to progress I suppose.
The stupidity is overwhelming.
You mean like the West Bank , where over 200 people have been killed & over 3,000 arrested since 7/10?
Nov 23, 2023 4:27 PM CST Enough is enough
Youcannow: So you agree that many more innocent women & children with be slaughtered in the coming weeks & months .
My worry is that there will be more children that will be radicalised , which in essence, will create another generation of Hamas, not only in Palestine but in the free world .
We have 4 million Muslims here in England & we are already seeing anti-Semitic violence increase .
How long will the Muslim world stay silent before it boils over into something more serious.
No, here is the hope John. Not only is most Arabs and Muslims too nice ordinary decent folks.
But the proof this can end will is to be found in Israel: 2 million Arabs living in peace and brotherhood with their Jewish neighbours, together creating the state of israel.

There is hope mister, but first the Iran influenced young ganster-like guys
making up Hamas, must be thrown from power.

gnite
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