Right to die ... right or wrong? ( Archived) (29)

Feb 12, 2007 11:18 AM CST Right to die ... right or wrong?
denguefever
denguefeverdenguefeverIn the cellar!!!, UK32 Threads 1,204 Posts
A 30-year-old terminally ill woman is to launch a legal battle to force doctors to allow her to die.

Kelly Taylor, from Bristol, who has been given less than a year to live, wants doctors to increase her medication to induce a coma-like state.

Mrs Taylor, who has heart and lung and spinal conditions, has also made a "living will" asking doctors not to provide artificial food or hydration.

Her doctors have refused her requests, saying it amounts to euthanasia.




Should she have the dignity to die her way?
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Feb 12, 2007 11:21 AM CST Right to die ... right or wrong?
bl8ant
bl8antbl8antAmsterdam, North Holland Netherlands3 Threads 1,000 Posts
well she should just hop on over to The Netherlands then!!


we are so civilised! doncha know!!!


she would be free to choose to leave with dignity and grace,

as should everyone be.wave
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Feb 12, 2007 11:23 AM CST Right to die ... right or wrong?
deborah12
deborah12deborah12wolverhampton, UK89 Threads 11,243 Posts
if mentally she is fully aware of the situation and isnt confused etc, then i think she has the right to choose, if she was confused in anyway i would say no because she wouldnt fully understand whats going on. shes the one suffering and its her body so what gives the docotors the right to make her keep on suffering.
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Feb 12, 2007 11:25 AM CST Right to die ... right or wrong?
wikked
wikkedwikkedAjax, Ontario Canada655 Threads 4 Polls 6,091 Posts
I have already had my say in this subject on the other thread about the right to committing suicide...I haven't changed my mind...however one thing i'd like to add here...because of the wording posted here...

"...A 30-year-old terminally ill woman is to launch a legal battle to force doctors to allow her to die..."

The word "force" is mentioned...and isn't that what it is?? Forcing others to do what YOU want?...you may have the right to say you want to die...but what are you asking others to compromise to fulfill YOUR right?...where is their "right" in this whole scenario...and not just the doctors..but you are forcing others to accept the fact that you have decided that you have the right to die, regardless of how they may feel...just because you're the "ill" one and in a position to manipulate them??
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Feb 12, 2007 11:34 AM CST Right to die ... right or wrong?
denguefever
denguefeverdenguefeverIn the cellar!!!, UK32 Threads 1,204 Posts
Euthanasia is illegal in this country.

and the "forcing" is more "allowing" the doctors to increase the medication without fear of prosecution.

If the doctors are "forced" then the fear of being sued, or prosecuted is diminished as they can say "I was forced"
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Feb 12, 2007 11:46 AM CST Right to die ... right or wrong?
TabooN
TabooNTabooNClaremont, USA47 Threads 12,843 Posts
She should have the right to end.

government is ok with the living will because insurance is big business, and own most doctors now. connect the dots and you see the handshakes...

it is ok for them to allow a person to suffer from starvation, pain... the only concern at that point is the motives of the families, and the fear of losing votes and money for the company and goverment...

I mean, hell! what would the world be with puppets?
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Feb 12, 2007 12:08 PM CST Right to die ... right or wrong?
Scarlett1417
Scarlett1417Scarlett14171 Threads 69 Posts
She should have the right to die.

I don't want to compare this woman to a dog, but if your pet was terminally ill, the humane thing would be to put it to sleep. Why can't the same be said for a human? A human who can make up their own mind?blues
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Feb 12, 2007 12:10 PM CST Right to die ... right or wrong?
TabooN
TabooNTabooNClaremont, USA47 Threads 12,843 Posts
so true
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Feb 12, 2007 12:14 PM CST Right to die ... right or wrong?
Drazic1986
Drazic1986Drazic1986Folkestone, UK19 Threads 596 Posts
I think that it's disgusting to allow someone in that state to carry on living if they truly don't want 2...
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Feb 12, 2007 12:21 PM CST Right to die ... right or wrong?
maybeme4u
maybeme4umaybeme4uDenia, Valencia Spain3 Threads 40 Posts
What's the sense living a live in a * vegetable condition ? We all should have the right to decide and if we can't then it should be the next of kin making that important decision for us. And not the Government.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!dunno
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Feb 12, 2007 12:31 PM CST Right to die ... right or wrong?
denguefever
denguefeverdenguefeverIn the cellar!!!, UK32 Threads 1,204 Posts
Isnt it humane to put a dog down, but inhumane to assist a human to die with no pain!
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Feb 12, 2007 12:37 PM CST Right to die ... right or wrong?
TabooN
TabooNTabooNClaremont, USA47 Threads 12,843 Posts
hell, it's ok with our government.

Stupid, backward, self-serving crap.

omg
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Feb 12, 2007 1:10 PM CST Right to die ... right or wrong?
Abracadabra
AbracadabraAbracadabraHeaven, Pennsylvania USA69 Threads 3,302 Posts
I support dignified euthanasia for anyone who chooses it. Regardless of their reason or their health.

Although, doctors shouldn't need to participate in this. After all, what's wrong with having professional 'euthanasia technicians' specifically for those requests? No need to push it onto doctors.

No one should have to participate in a euthanasia process if they don't want to either. But if the position of 'euthanasia technician' were created I'm sure there would be plenty of people willing to apply to help assist those who have choosen to take control of their destiny.

It doesn't need to be a problem for anyone. Except perhaps for those who don't respect the choices of others. But why should anyone respect them? They obviously have no respect for others.
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Feb 12, 2007 1:13 PM CST Right to die ... right or wrong?
native_grl38
native_grl38native_grl38Belleville, Canada10 Threads 4,332 Posts
I agree with that totally....She should have the right to die as she chooses under this scenario...Living in a vegetative state is not living!!!!!!!!!!!!!

conversing conversing
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Feb 12, 2007 1:49 PM CST Right to die ... right or wrong?
foofoofancypants
foofoofancypantsfoofoofancypantsGraham, Washington USA23 Posts
The illegality of euthanasia seems rediculous to me, especially for terminally ill patients. I guess we have the religious nuts to blame for that.
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Feb 12, 2007 1:59 PM CST Right to die ... right or wrong?
MissBehaving
MissBehavingMissBehavingNirvana, British Columbia Canada3 Threads 330 Posts
With dignity ... absolutely








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Feb 12, 2007 2:57 PM CST Right to die ... right or wrong?
Jess642
Jess642Jess642Agnes Water, Australia25 Threads 4,545 Posts
In the case that you mention here, with what information that is provided...and supposing that all the necessary procedures are carried out: Psych testing, concurring medical reports, I believe this woman has chosen a path that is of the least resistance, that will allow her to still die a natural death, and so should have her wishes granted.


Over all, the case for legalising euthanasia is a challenging one here in Australia, and although there have been Bills passed in some States, they have also been revoked, depending on the political climate. I have done some reading and research into Euthanasia, quite recently, I had to write a paper on this very subject. The pitfalls that seem to be there, for this country are the controls being put in place to make sure this law is not abused.

The Netherlands model of their laws pertaining to euthanasia, have these controls in place, and seems to work protecting the rights of the patient, and the medical staff.

We have one case being tried here at the moment, relating to a woman who believed herself to be terminal, and had suffered great pain for many, many years, and with the support of the advocate to Euthanasia, in Australia,of a particular doctor, (but not present at the time) and 21 of her family and friends...took her own life. All 21 "witnesses" have been charged with assisted suicide, and are still awaiting news as to when their case will be heard. I do know this case first hand, as I have a close relative who was one of the people charged.


Prickly subject, and with some common sense and the intention of respecting the wishes of patients, and the respect given to human life being in the foremost, I believe there is a place for Euthanasia, although I do have great personal challenges with it.
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Feb 12, 2007 3:49 PM CST Right to die ... right or wrong?
Westdeck
WestdeckWestdeckAmsterdam, North Holland Netherlands82 Threads 1,649 Posts
Like Kath says.
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Feb 12, 2007 10:05 PM CST Right to die ... right or wrong?
wikked
wikkedwikkedAjax, Ontario Canada655 Threads 4 Polls 6,091 Posts
I really am having a hard time with this....because the "reasons" being given here are sound...and well said...

I guess a part of me (who has experienced it) think of all those who have lost loved ones in "accidents" and who would have given anything to have them...and then i compare it to those who would so willing give up their lives...just because they can...moping

I just don't know...blues
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Feb 13, 2007 2:54 AM CST Right to die ... right or wrong?
Jerry53531
Jerry53531Jerry53531Sliema, Malta12 Threads 410 Posts
Really thoughtful, good answer. I think this covers just about every aspect of protecting everyone's rights to choose. Of course we'll never have agreement on the other side of this issue.
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