Kurt Vonnegut -- Dead at 84 ( Archived) (17)

Apr 12, 2007 10:45 AM CST Kurt Vonnegut -- Dead at 84
LiteraryLass
LiteraryLassLiteraryLassMinneapolis, Minnesota USA3 Threads 25 Posts
Fellow book lovers the novelist and critic Kurt Vonnegut is dead. Some of you may have read "Slaughterhouse-Five" as a high school reading assignment.

Once speaking of his own death he said: "God forbid should I ever die I'd like to have the epitaph that the beauty of music tells me that there's a God."

RIP
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Apr 12, 2007 10:49 AM CST Kurt Vonnegut -- Dead at 84
jvind
jvindjvindLong Island, New York USA7 Threads 642 Posts
I had read a few stories in Welcome to the Monkey House, he had a unique style.

There was also that classic line in the movie Back to School
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Apr 12, 2007 11:18 AM CST Kurt Vonnegut -- Dead at 84
plarkin
plarkinplarkinMinneapolis, Minnesota USA69 Threads 514 Posts
"God forbid should I die" Well I would have said "God forbid I should die before my time!"

A true literary giant, in the best hard-as-nail American tradition is dead. When it's Norman Mailers' time an era will truly come to an end.
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Apr 12, 2007 11:28 AM CST Kurt Vonnegut -- Dead at 84
Icarus799
Icarus799Icarus799Chicago, Illinois USA16 Threads 287 Posts
You've got to include Gore Vidal on that list. I am not sure how long he's going to be around.

There's an interesting anecdote about Mailer and Vidal both sitting in a studio about to go on for an interview. Vidal said something that annoyed Mailer who promptly head-butted him. He later explained his action as "making sure that the interview had the right amount of tension".
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Apr 12, 2007 11:36 AM CST Kurt Vonnegut -- Dead at 84
LiteraryLass
LiteraryLassLiteraryLassMinneapolis, Minnesota USA3 Threads 25 Posts
Mr. Icarus,

Then why stop there. Let's include all moribund American novelists:

John Updike
Tom Wolfe
Salinger (b 1919 he's got to go any day)

__ll
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Apr 12, 2007 11:37 AM CST Kurt Vonnegut -- Dead at 84
plarkin
plarkinplarkinMinneapolis, Minnesota USA69 Threads 514 Posts
Ms. LL,

You will find that Tom Wolfe is relatively young and vigorous. He'll outlive us all.

plarkin
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Apr 12, 2007 11:44 AM CST Kurt Vonnegut -- Dead at 84
LiteraryLass
LiteraryLassLiteraryLassMinneapolis, Minnesota USA3 Threads 25 Posts
Mr. plarkin,

Wolfe b. 1931. In my book that makes him old.

_ll
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Apr 12, 2007 11:45 AM CST Kurt Vonnegut -- Dead at 84
plarkin
plarkinplarkinMinneapolis, Minnesota USA69 Threads 514 Posts
LL you're quite right. I stand corrected. Let me amend my statement. He's venerable but still quite vigorous!
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Apr 12, 2007 11:55 AM CST Kurt Vonnegut -- Dead at 84
Icarus799
Icarus799Icarus799Chicago, Illinois USA16 Threads 287 Posts
Agreed add to that list E.L. Doctorow, the finest purveyor of the American historical novel.

I have just finished reading "The March", a blend of fiction and history. It describes the march of General Sherman through the South towards the end of the civil war.

Born in 1931.
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Apr 12, 2007 11:56 AM CST Kurt Vonnegut -- Dead at 84
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA609 Threads 1 Polls 9,196 Posts
I personally liked Kurt short fiction best. Harrison Bergeron is my favorite short story. The concept of the domination of the mediocre in society is a frightful, almost prophetic theme, as evidenced by the popularity of reality shows.


TET
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Apr 12, 2007 12:00 PM CST Kurt Vonnegut -- Dead at 84
LiteraryLass
LiteraryLassLiteraryLassMinneapolis, Minnesota USA3 Threads 25 Posts
Yes, I loved that story. I thought there might have been some Orwellian influence but Orwell is great in my books!
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Apr 12, 2007 12:24 PM CST Kurt Vonnegut -- Dead at 84
plarkin
plarkinplarkinMinneapolis, Minnesota USA69 Threads 514 Posts
The march of William Tecumseh Sherman is controversial to this day in the south. Basically here was an army foraging off the land and burning and pillaging southern towns. The irony is that Sherman had lived in the south before the war and understood and sympathized with the southern way of life. The reason he gave in his biography for pursuing the war with such vigor was that he couldn't abide treason.
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Apr 12, 2007 12:33 PM CST Kurt Vonnegut -- Dead at 84
Icarus799
Icarus799Icarus799Chicago, Illinois USA16 Threads 287 Posts
I wonder what the southern boys made of the M4 Sherman tank that they had to use during WWII? I can imagine the memory then must have been fresher than it's now.
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Apr 12, 2007 12:45 PM CST Kurt Vonnegut -- Dead at 84
plarkin
plarkinplarkinMinneapolis, Minnesota USA69 Threads 514 Posts
This is an ongoing American military tradition to honor great generals by naming battle field equipment after them. I don't recall if anything was named after the rebel general Robert E. Lee (other than the car from the Dukes of Hazard :)) considering that he was an iconic leader and was offered the command of the Union armies before opting for Virginia. I wonder if anyone knows or did his rebel stint make him ineligible?
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Apr 13, 2007 10:45 AM CST Kurt Vonnegut -- Dead at 84
highfidelity
highfidelityhighfidelityEurope, Lower Saxony Germany37 Threads 2,287 Posts
I can't live without a culture anymore and I realize I don't have one. What passes for a culture in my head is really a bunch of commercials and this is intolerable. It may be impossible to live without a culture."

- Kurt Vonnegut
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Apr 13, 2007 12:29 PM CST Kurt Vonnegut -- Dead at 84
plarkin
plarkinplarkinMinneapolis, Minnesota USA69 Threads 514 Posts
I agree and sympathise with those sentiments; however, mass culture can be easily avoided. And you can build your own culture by doing things and choosing to associate (in friendship) with people who are similarly inclined.

Rule #1: Never watch network TV with the exception of PBS

Rule #2: Avoid like the plague events like the Super Bowl

Rule #3: Avoid Hollywood

Rule #4: Have an international view. Pick and choose your culture from around the world.
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Apr 13, 2007 1:01 PM CST Kurt Vonnegut -- Dead at 84
arabella
arabellaarabellaNear Farmington, Maine USA98 Threads 1 Polls 6,199 Posts
"All time is all time. It does not change. It does not lend itself to warnings or explanations. It simply is.

Take it moment by moment, and you will find that we are all, as I've said before, bugs in amber."

~Kurt Vonnegut~
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