Blair's Legacy ( Archived) (42)

May 11, 2007 7:46 PM CST Blair's Legacy
plarkin
plarkinplarkinMinneapolis, Minnesota USA69 Threads 514 Posts
Poor Blair will soon be a sorry footnote in history. He will be remembered as the only Prime Minister of Great Britain who's loyalties lay with the White house rather than his own people.

Blair has also said that he felt he had a lot in common with American Neocons. That begs the question: what in God's name, then, were you doing as the leader of the labor party?
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May 11, 2007 7:47 PM CST Blair's Legacy
Oslojente
OslojenteOslojenteOlso, Oslo Norway142 Threads 1 Polls 4,992 Posts
thumbs up applause
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May 11, 2007 7:51 PM CST Blair's Legacy
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA609 Threads 1 Polls 9,196 Posts
No modern leader has any accountability to his constituents. It's all multinational comglomerants these days, and the special interest lobbies they fund. Politicians only use nationalism as a tool to get what they want from their constituents, by manipulating their emotions...the rest of the time it's all just about $$$.

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May 11, 2007 7:54 PM CST Blair's Legacy
stimmstimm
stimmstimmstimmstimmsouth, Scotland UK2 Threads 90 Posts
Well said, Plarkin thumbs up
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May 11, 2007 8:07 PM CST Blair's Legacy
TrueNorthMan7
TrueNorthMan7TrueNorthMan7Barrie, Canada34 Threads 1,096 Posts
Blair was a fine leader. He stood for what he believed in and refused to be caged by left wing ideology.

Maybe, no for sure, he was a minor player compared to Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan, but nonetheless he will be judged favourably by history.
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May 11, 2007 8:45 PM CST Blair's Legacy
FunGuyWithBrain
FunGuyWithBrainFunGuyWithBrainNorth Liberty, Iowa USA10 Threads 4,741 Posts
I definitely agree with that.
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May 11, 2007 9:02 PM CST Blair's Legacy
TrueNorthMan7
TrueNorthMan7TrueNorthMan7Barrie, Canada34 Threads 1,096 Posts
Tony Blair's loyalties lay with what he believed to be true and the best for his country.

He was a great leader, the youngest in Great Britain in well over a century, and history will, I believe, treat him favourably.

I think the best thing that can be said about Blair is that he was a true leader.

He did not follow the set lef-wing ideology and that's what rankles the ideologues, as I see it.

I for one, am sorry to see him go, as I was Reagan and Thatcher.
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May 11, 2007 9:21 PM CST Blair's Legacy
rwantin
rwantinrwantinRoyal Oak, Michigan USA17 Threads 8,924 Posts
There was a time when I found him admirable. That time, sad to say, was before he became Bush's poodle.
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May 11, 2007 9:32 PM CST Blair's Legacy
FunGuyWithBrain
FunGuyWithBrainFunGuyWithBrainNorth Liberty, Iowa USA10 Threads 4,741 Posts
That's true. He definitely was a Bush puppet. Most of Europe did not support the war from the get-go and also did not want to get involved with it. Even most British were against sending their troops, I believe. It was more of a solo by Blair following the Bush administration.
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May 11, 2007 9:58 PM CST Blair's Legacy
TrueNorthMan7
TrueNorthMan7TrueNorthMan7Barrie, Canada34 Threads 1,096 Posts
I like to think he considered all the options and made the decision based on his own values and reasons.

I hardly think a powerful leader of great country like GB is a poodle or puppet.

It's a cheap shot.
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May 11, 2007 10:12 PM CST Blair's Legacy
rwantin
rwantinrwantinRoyal Oak, Michigan USA17 Threads 8,924 Posts
GB is a great country. Poodle was not intended to be a cheap shot per se', but it was something coined by his own constituents. handshake
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May 11, 2007 10:30 PM CST Blair's Legacy
Paulbearer
PaulbearerPaulbearerHouston, Texas USA237 Posts
Everybody always mouths off about how they admire people to take a stand and do what they believe in , but when someone actually does, it is people like you that cry the loudest. Blair recognized evil for what it is and agreed it needed to be hunted down and wiped out. All you little cry-babies were for it when it was the popular thing to do but once it turned hard you starting crying and weeping. I didnt much care for Blair before 9/11, mostly because he is basically a leftie, but I believe he has behaved with honor and showed that he is a man who actually believes in the inherant goodness of freedom and believes it is a blessing for all--not just industialized nations populated by white people. And, unlike most of you, he was willing to act rather than just sitting around, wringing your hands and whinning on the internet. God Bless the man.
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May 11, 2007 10:52 PM CST Blair's Legacy
rwantin
rwantinrwantinRoyal Oak, Michigan USA17 Threads 8,924 Posts
<Scribbling notes - "stay out of political threads.">

And for the record, was never "for it." Nor whining. That's the problem with expressing your views, there's always someone that will get in your face for doing so.
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May 11, 2007 11:45 PM CST Blair's Legacy
FunGuyWithBrain
FunGuyWithBrainFunGuyWithBrainNorth Liberty, Iowa USA10 Threads 4,741 Posts
There is nothing to admire about a man taking a stand unless it's for something positive and rational. If you buy from a salesman just because he knows how to sell and not because of what he sells, then I can't help you. What is it with this "evil-doer" talk anyway that Bush likes to use? Makes me fell like I'm in kindergarten.

At no point did I support the war not even "when it was the popular thing to do". And I yet have to see a real hunt for terrorists.

"Freedom" is something that arises automatically in a nation if the surroundings are right. It's at the end of the rainbow so to speak. It's not something you can export and force onto people just like you can't plant a daisy in the desert. What we did to Iraq made the ground even less fertile for freedom. People living in poor conditions have other problems. Just because they can vote now, doesn't make them any freer.
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May 12, 2007 12:36 AM CST Blair's Legacy
ariesgirl003
ariesgirl003ariesgirl003Bangin, New Jersey USA32 Threads 3,038 Posts
Oh no not again !!!!!!!tongue
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May 12, 2007 2:16 AM CST Blair's Legacy
Dandelion
DandelionDandelionSouthampton, Hampshire, UK34 Threads 5,236 Posts
I think a lot of the comments are very valid indeed. But I am puzzled as to what people think politics is all about??? As for expecting any politician to "wave a magic wand"?? Why? And do what?? Put everything right? That's not part of the game, is it?? And a game it is!! I have said it before, I have dealt with politicians a fair bit over many years and the equation is simple:

politics = career.

If anyone is under the illusion that its about working for the good of the community, the country or globally, that is a misconception! And rather niave!

There are, no doubt, those that go into politics with the best of intentions and somewhere become jaded, complacent, eventually career-motivated, I am sure they are not all corrput from the outset but we appear to have the ideology of believing we are voting in the best party. Perhaps we should be voting for the party we FEEL will do the least damage?? But at the end of the day, its all as broad as its long anyway...........

And as for our friend who was sorry to see Thatcher go...... easy to say when you don't live in the UK. Good riddance to bad rubbish, that was!!!
JMO. wave
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May 12, 2007 3:53 AM CST Blair's Legacy
paddy123
paddy123paddy123Wales, UK76 Threads 1,551 Posts
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His domestic policies leave me in tears.

However, history will prove him correct I suspect, in this particular instance, regardless of the initial prime reasons for supporting Bush, misplaced or otherwise.

Get this into your head anti-Bush supporters, most of the UK were against the entry into Iraq, but that does not denigrate the following:

Echo the Romans, "united we stand, divided we fall".

The favour bank will be repaid in time and we will be in need of a few favours in the future.
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May 12, 2007 4:39 AM CST Blair's Legacy
plarkin
plarkinplarkinMinneapolis, Minnesota USA69 Threads 514 Posts
I'd like to add here that I am a dedicated Anglophile. The car I drive is an English one, although courtesy of Ford. Whenever possible I get my suits from Seville Row. The only TV I ever watch is PBS with a surplus of BBC programs. Therefore it pains me greatly to see the ideals I attribute to English society (and by proxy to Scotland, Wales and Ireland) of truth, honor and fair-play violated so blatantly by one man.

I will still visit England as frequently as I can (the two dollars to the pound are slightly daunting but we have many more dollars then they do pounds) and my love and affection for that country is undiminished. Iraq and Blair will fade from memory like a bad dream but the country that gave us Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence, the concept of habeas corpus and the Magna Carta will live on.
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May 12, 2007 4:39 AM CST Blair's Legacy
fireliter
fireliterfireliterAllen Park, Michigan USA502 Threads 14 Polls 5,902 Posts
politics = career...thats the problem in a nut shell .

All college (ALL) should bemade to register for the political draft.

Associates degrees will only be drafted for state and lower.
2year term

Bachelors degrees will serve in the federal level 4year terms

Master degrees and Phds will serve as state leaders and
senators.4year terms

age would not be an issue,if you have a degree you are subject to being drafted to serve your country.

the president will be the only elected official. 6 year terms.

I am a firm believer that term limits would improve he representation over all of the nations citizens.
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May 12, 2007 5:35 AM CST Blair's Legacy
paddy123
paddy123paddy123Wales, UK76 Threads 1,551 Posts
Wales and Ireland: The Celtic race in particular, have always been passionate advocates of freedom and self government. The devolution and thus the dilution of central control, contains the balance of power in central government.

Violation of those principles and right to free speech is upheld in your own constitution and that of your quoted reference to our English counterparts. Ergo, my political views and comment.

Notwithstanding our many disagreements on here, in respect of one single issue. That, of Iraq and the actions past and present required to uphold the democratically elected government........

You are welcome to visit Wales at any time, as my guest.
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