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Sep 27, 2007 12:33 PM CST Monks arrested, tear gassed at Myanmar pagoda:
mindfful
mindffulmindffulChicago, Illinois USA235 Threads 8 Polls 18,996 Posts
come now..

arent vigilantes strident and brave and noble?
yet unconstrained by 'law'?

scold
wave


anyway yes-'soft power' -a real gift and skill

clearly i am nowhere near that spiritually or emotionally evolved



frustrated

but its good to have goals

i dont have television, rely on the pc for everything
so ill be checking back some news sites and here later

awareness is a beginning to change
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Sep 27, 2007 12:37 PM CST Monks arrested, tear gassed at Myanmar pagoda:
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
I have just read of these people, they are being referred to as a "thugocracy"
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Sep 27, 2007 12:43 PM CST Monks arrested, tear gassed at Myanmar pagoda:
mindfful
mindffulmindffulChicago, Illinois USA235 Threads 8 Polls 18,996 Posts
thugocracy-thats becoming the structure around here...

an idea sprouts and is immediately met w/ mass resistance and shoving

having 'power' doesnt make you 'right' or imbue you with any certain rights

that only applies in childhood (see bully)

bottom line-size or the volume doesnt matter
might doesnt make right.
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Sep 27, 2007 12:56 PM CST Monks arrested, tear gassed at Myanmar pagoda:
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
Thanks for the support and encouragement hun hug

reminds me of the CSNY song

We can change the world -
Re-arrange the world
It's dying - if you believe in justice
It's dying - and if you believe in freedom
It's dying - let a man live it's own life
It's dying - rules and regulations, who needs them
Open up the door
We can change the world
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Sep 27, 2007 12:59 PM CST Monks arrested, tear gassed at Myanmar pagoda:
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
dont ever let anybody push you around - thats my motto - as you say, might doesnt make right

we just need to sort this out for the rest of the world now sigh
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Sep 27, 2007 3:24 PM CST Monks arrested, tear gassed at Myanmar pagoda:
gillyloves69
gillyloves69gillyloves69london, Greater London, England UK1,533 Threads 7 Polls 7,359 Posts
its about to kick off trish !

this was the news 90 miniutes ago love

by the way thanks for a brilliant thread !

it raises many issues trish .... the first issue is what will britain america france anditaly do about it ???

i say the same as they did in zimbawae when mugaawe decided to start starving people that nevervoted for him in a dummy election love ...f$$k all ...no oil involved

thats the kind of people that we british americans french and italians are

ANYWAY HERE'S THE LATEST PART 1

LOTS OF LOVE FROM GILLY XXX

YANGON (Reuters) - At least nine people were killed in Myanmar on Thursday as soldiers and police cleared the streets of central Yangon by giving protesters 10 minutes to leave or be shot, tightening a two-day crackdown on the largest uprising in 20 years.


Far fewer demonstrators took to the streets as the ruling military junta clamped down and soldiers raided monasteries in the middle of the night, rounding up hundreds of the monks who had been leading protests.

State television said at least nine people were killed.

One of dead was a Japanese photographer, shot when soldiers cleared the area near Sule Pagoda -- a city-centre focus of the protests -- as loudspeakers blared out warnings, ominous reminders of the ruthless crushing of a 1988 uprising in which more than 3,000 people were killed.

In another area of Yangon, the country's largest city, soldiers of the 77th Light Infantry Division opened fire into crowds after a military truck drove into protesters, onlookers said. Three people were killed on the spot.

As international concern mounted, the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, in an unusually strongly worded statement, demanded that member Myanmar stop using violence and voiced "revulsion" at the killings in Yangon.

U.S. President George W. Bush called on all countries with influence over Myanmar to tell the junta to stop using force against the demonstrators. His administration announced sanctions against senior government figures.

In a sign that the junta may be hearing the international outcry over the crackdown, it agreed to receive a United Nations envoy to discuss the crisis.

In Yangon, about 200 soldiers marched toward the crowd and riot police clattered their rattan shields with wooden batons.

"It's a terrifying noise," one witness said.

The army moved in after 1,000 chanting protesters hurled stones and water bottles at troops, prompting a police charge in which shots were fired and the Japanese went down.

The crackdown began on Wednesday when soldiers and police fired tear gas, clubbed protesters and arrested up to 200 monks in an attempt to quash the uprising.

MONASTERY RAIDS

Sporadic marches against fuel price hikes have swelled over the past month into mass demonstrations against 45 years of military rule in the former Burma. It is the worst unrest to hit the poor and isolated Southeast Asian country since the rebellion by students and monks in 1988.

Troops dispersing crowds on Thursday chased fleeing people, beating anybody they could catch, witnesses said.
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Sep 27, 2007 3:25 PM CST Monks arrested, tear gassed at Myanmar pagoda:
gillyloves69
gillyloves69gillyloves69london, Greater London, England UK1,533 Threads 7 Polls 7,359 Posts
PART 2 TRISH


Another Buddhist monk -- adding to the five reported killed Wednesday -- was killed during the midnight raids on monasteries, witnesses said.

Monks were kicked and beaten as soldiers rounded them up and shoved them onto trucks.

"Doors of the monasteries were broken, things were ransacked and taken away," a witness said. "It's like a living hell seeing the monasteries raided and the monks treated cruelly."

After darkness fell and curfew hour loomed, sporadic bursts of automatic rifle fire echoed over Yangon, a city of 5 million people.

The Hong Kong-based Asian Human Rights Commission said it had received reports of a big demonstration in the northwest coastal town of Sittwe, as well as incidents in Pakokku, Mandalay and Moulmein. Details were sketchy.

The junta told diplomats summoned to its new jungle capital, Naypyidaw, "the government was committed to showing restraint in its response to the provocations," one of those present said.

The United States sought to rally the international community against Myanmar.

"I call on all nations that have influence with the regime to join us in supporting the aspirations of the Burmese people and to tell the Burmese junta to cease using force on its own people who are peacefully expressing their desire for change," Bush said in a statement.

ASEAN ministers, meeting on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly, "expressed their revulsion to Myanmar Foreign Minister Nyan Win over reports that the demonstrations in Myanmar are being suppressed by violent force."

All members except Myanmar issued the statement. The

10-member diplomatic and trade group holds as a core principle non-interference in each other's internal affairs.

Neighbouring China, one of Myanmar's few allies and seen as wielding considerable sway over the junta, said it was extremely concerned.

On Wednesday, China ruled out sanctions or an official condemnation of the use of force in the country of 56 million people.

Beijing has a deep investment in Myanmar, with concerns about trade, border stability and fighting drugs magnified by plans to build oil and gas pipelines through Myanmar's ethnic ally mixed border regions into China.

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Sep 27, 2007 3:32 PM CST Monks arrested, tear gassed at Myanmar pagoda:
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
Thanks Gilly thumbs up

Lets hope that China are worried enough that people will boycot the Olympics in Beijing - that may get them to do something - we are all so cozy in our lives - I dread to think what tonight will be like for those folks -
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Sep 28, 2007 11:07 AM CST Monks arrested, tear gassed at Myanmar pagoda:
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
YANGON (Reuters) - Myanmar's generals appeared to have cut public Internet access on Friday to prevent more videos, photographs and information getting out about their crackdown on the biggest protests against military rule in nearly 20 years.

Internet cafes were closed and the help desk at the main Internet service provider did not answer its telephones to explain why there was no access.

Citizen reporters have been at the forefront in informing the world of the protests against 45 years of military rule and declining living standards in Myanmar, also known as Burma.

They have even used the social networking site Facebook or hidden news in e-greetings cards. Networks of reporters for dissident news organisations have used the Internet to get stories and pictures out.

Correspondents who covered the last major uprising in Myanmar, in 1988, when the army killed an estimated 3,000 people, said a communications blackout was to be expected but would not stop the information flow.

"It may very well happen. It will just be a sudden shutdown," said British journalist Dominic Faulder who was based in Bangkok during the 1988 uprising.

The widespread use of modern technology by protesters and dissident news networks is in stark contrast to 19 years ago, when reports of massive casualties from soldiers shooting into the crowds took days to leak out.

"They're going to delay the message, but they're not going to stop it. This time, there will be more pictures and they will come out," Faulder said.

Dramatic footage and pictures of a Japanese photographer being shot dead and soldiers marching through the streets, rifles at the ready, have been a major factor in the current worldwide outrage and desperate diplomatic clamour for restraint.
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Sep 28, 2007 11:15 AM CST Monks arrested, tear gassed at Myanmar pagoda:
gillyloves69
gillyloves69gillyloves69london, Greater London, England UK1,533 Threads 7 Polls 7,359 Posts
wave

WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN NEXT TRISH ?


conversing
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Sep 28, 2007 11:16 AM CST Monks arrested, tear gassed at Myanmar pagoda:
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
The Association of Southeast Asian Nations expressed ``revulsion'' at the violence in Myanmar and told the junta ``to exercise utmost restraint and seek a political solution.'' Demonstrations against the junta were seen in Malaysia, Thailand, Japan and elsewhere.

Southeast Asian envoys were told by Myanmar authorities Friday that a no-go zone had been declared around five key Buddhist monasteries, one diplomat said, raising fears of a repeat of 1988, when troops gunned down thousands of peaceful demonstrators and imprisoned the survivors.

Gates were locked and key intersections near monasteries in Yangon and the second-largest city of Mandalay were sealed off with barbed wire, and there was no sign of monks in the streets.

``We were told security forces had the monks under control'' and will now turn their attention to civilian protesters, the Asian diplomat said on condition of anonymity, citing protocol.

The government's apparent decision to cut public Internet access - which has played a crucial role in getting news and images of the pro-democracy protests to the outside world - also raised concerns.

Thursday was the most violent day in more than a month of protests - which at their height have brought an estimated 70,000 demonstrators to the streets. Bloody sandals lay scattered on some streets as protesters fled shouting ``Give us freedom, give us freedom!''

Truckloads of troops in riot gear raided Buddhist monasteries on the outskirts of Yangon, beating and arresting dozens of monks, witnesses and Western diplomats said.

``I really hate the government. They arrest the monks while they are sleeping,'' said a 30-year-old service worker who saw some of the confrontations from his workplace. ``These monks haven't done anything except meditating and praying and helping people.''

The United Nations' special envoy to Myanmar, Ibrahim Gambari, was heading to the country to promote a political solution and could arrive as early as Saturday, one Western diplomat said on condition of anonymity.

Though some analysts said negotiations were unlikely, the diplomat said the decision to let Gambari in ``means they may see a role for him and the United Nations in mediating dialogue with the opposition and its leaders.''

The protesters won support from countrymen abroad as more than 2,000 Myanmar immigrants rallied peacefully in Malaysia and smaller demonstrations against the junta took place in Thailand, Indonesia, Japan and the Philippines.

China, Myanmar's largest trading partner, for months quietly counseled the regime to speed up long-stalled political reforms. Some analysts say Beijing would hate to be viewed as party to a bloodbath as it prepares for the 2008 Olympics.

``China hopes that all parties in Myanmar exercise restraint and properly handle the current issue so as to ensure the situation there does not escalate and get complicated,'' Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu said in Beijing Thursday.

But every other time the regime has been challenged, it has responded with force.

``Judging from the nature and habit of the Myanmar military, they will not allow the monks or activists to topple them,'' said Chaiyachoke Julsiriwong, a Myanmar scholar at Chulalongkorn University in Bangkok.
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Sep 28, 2007 11:44 AM CST Monks arrested, tear gassed at Myanmar pagoda:
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
No idea Gilly but I hope China will put pressure on them - the Chinese want good publicity cos of the Olympics next year and China do lots of trade with that counrty - i just dont know but last time they massacred 3000 or so people blues
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Oct 4, 2007 8:40 AM CST Monks arrested, tear gassed at Myanmar pagoda:
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
Thought that in the light of things happening I would bring this one back up.

There are fears that thousands of these peace loving monks have been massecred
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Oct 4, 2007 8:51 AM CST Monks arrested, tear gassed at Myanmar pagoda:
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
the latest news i could find just now is from monday as the authorities have closed most avenues of communication;

From the BBC

Thousands of monks detained in Burma's main city of Rangoon will be sent to prisons in the far north of the country, sources have told the BBC.
About 4,000 monks have been rounded up in the past week as the military government has tried to stamp out pro-democracy protests.

They are being held at a disused race course and a technical college.

Sources from a government-sponsored militia said they would soon be moved away from Rangoon.

The monks have been disrobed and shackled, the sources told BBC radio's Burmese service. There are reports that the monks are refusing to eat.

The country has seen almost two weeks of sustained popular unrest, in the most serious challenge to the military leadership for more than two decades.

Their eyes are on the international community, their only hope is that the world will see their plight and help them


The authorities said 10 people were killed as the protests were dispersed, though diplomats and activists say the number of dead was many times higher.

The banned opposition broadcaster Democratic Voice of Burma has issued a picture which they say shows the body of a monk floating near the mouth of the Rangoon river.

Last week several monasteries were raided, and there were reports of monks being beaten and killed.

With many monks behind bars, the demonstrations have now died down.

On Monday, the centre of Rangoon was almost back to normal, a reporter, who cannot be identified for security reasons, told the BBC.

Most shops and temples have reopened and people appear to be getting on with their lives. But there seemed to be a group of soldiers around every corner, and very few monks about, the reporter said.

This is notable in a city where monks can usually be spotted going in and out of temples, shopping at street stalls and chatting in tea shops.


Monks were reportedly killed (Image: Democratic Voice of Burma)

The atmosphere in Rangoon is tense, the reporter said. Local people are well aware that the monks have been locked away and are afraid that they will be next.

The crackdown, in which unarmed protesters were beaten, tear-gassed, and shot at, has attracted condemnation from abroad, and even from Burma's neighbours in the Association of South East Asian Nations (Asean).
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Oct 6, 2007 2:53 PM CST Monks arrested, tear gassed at Myanmar pagoda:
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
bump - for Galactic Bodhi et al wave
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Jan 26, 2008 4:57 AM CST Monks arrested, tear gassed at Myanmar pagoda:
gillyloves69
gillyloves69gillyloves69london, Greater London, England UK1,533 Threads 7 Polls 7,359 Posts
is there any further news about whats happening in burma ?...and whats happened to the buddist monks they arrested ?


dunno
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Jan 26, 2008 5:11 AM CST Monks arrested, tear gassed at Myanmar pagoda:
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
Thanks Gilly hug


AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL
PRESS RELEASE

25 January, 2008


Arrests of Political Activists Increase in Myanmar



Political activists continue to be imprisoned in Myanmar, according to new research by Amnesty International. There have been 96 arrests since 1 November 2007.

Amnesty International's research completely contradicts the assurance that arrests had stopped and that no more would take place given to UN Special Representative Ibrahim Gambari in early November by Myanmar's Prime Minister Thein Sein.

"Four months on from the violent crackdown on peaceful demonstrators, rather than stop its unlawful arrests the Myanmar government has actually accelerated them," said Catherine Baber, director of Amnesty International Asia-Pacific programme. "The new arrests in December and January target people who have attempted to send evidence of the crackdown to the international community, clearly showing that the government's chief priority is to silence its citizens who would hold them to account."

At least 15 protesters and their supporters have been sentenced to prison terms since 1 November 2007. Amnesty International has also received reports that detainees have been tortured and ill-treated.
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