Is it time for another American Revolution? ( Archived) (40)

Feb 2, 2008 5:19 AM CST Is it time for another American Revolution?
Munichtexan
MunichtexanMunichtexanBrno, South Moravia Czech Republic24 Threads 195 Posts
Listening to all of the supporters of Political candidates - I can not help to wonder why none of the Politicians are really in touch with the people's issues. America is or fast becoming a 3rd world nation.

1) Legal taxpayers are supporting a growing number of illegal immigrants who pay no taxes, It is degrading our school systems, health systems, and transportation systems. It is moving money quickly out of the USA into Mexico and other countries.

2) Lawyers and politicians are crippling the ability of business to operate in the US.
a) The minimum wage criteria has moved industry out of our inner cities.
b) Liability insurance accounts for 20% of the cost of all products to the consumers.
c) Insurance coverage for small businesses forces many of them to reconsider doing business in the US, yet they provide 80% of the jobs in the US.
d) the BIS legislation is now moving Research and Development over seas.
e) Manufacturing jobs have been lost first to the Japanese, then the Koreans, Taiwan, Mexico and now China.
f) We have no real policy for reducing our dependency on foreign oil.
g) People are more concerned about being sued than if they do the correct thing.
h) Our prisons are containing a higher percentage of our population, yet crime is increasing.

3) The average "law abiding citizen" is loosing their homes - while government funds go to "bailing out the banks" who are taking the homes in the first place.

4) The IRS can take everything you have - sure you can fight them, but all of your money is "frozen" in the banks.

5) Traffic tickets now cost more than most people earn in a week.

None of the candidates for President discuss openly these issues. Maybe we should vote for our own candidate?
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Feb 2, 2008 7:24 AM CST Is it time for another American Revolution?
Aseeker
AseekerAseekerSeattle, USA3 Threads 91 Posts
Would be my guess, that if the politicians don't get it handled soon, the Minute Men and people who are just as sick of the illegal immigration, are going to simply take the law into their own hands (nope, I didn't see a thing, and won't). When all that starts, whoever is in the White House might get a clue, and instead of wondering if he/she will be next LOL decide it is time to start working for the people, not his wallet, and get busy on some of those other issues. But dealing with the one would make a positive impact on all the rest, so I think that is where it should start.
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Feb 2, 2008 7:26 AM CST Is it time for another American Revolution?
lusciousmile
lusciousmilelusciousmileThere, Aland Islands Finland25 Threads 2 Polls 11,989 Posts
LOL.

popcorn violin
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Feb 2, 2008 7:28 AM CST Is it time for another American Revolution?
Jimi123499
Jimi123499Jimi123499Central, Victoria Australia19 Threads 2 Polls 1,048 Posts
lusciousmile: LOL.


Pass the popcorn pleeeeeeeeease.........

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Feb 2, 2008 7:34 AM CST Is it time for another American Revolution?
lusciousmile
lusciousmilelusciousmileThere, Aland Islands Finland25 Threads 2 Polls 11,989 Posts
Jimi123499: Pass the popcorn pleeeeeeeeease.........


I will share my popcorn with legal migrants only. LOL!


scold professor bouquet


popcorn
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Feb 2, 2008 7:37 AM CST Is it time for another American Revolution?
Jimi123499
Jimi123499Jimi123499Central, Victoria Australia19 Threads 2 Polls 1,048 Posts
lusciousmile: I will share my popcorn with legal migrants only. LOL!


cee sinorita....pleasee passa de popcorn okiey.....

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Feb 2, 2008 7:55 AM CST Is it time for another American Revolution?
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
Munichtexan: Listening to all of the supporters of Political candidates - I can not help to wonder why none of the Politicians are really in touch with the people's issues. America is or fast becoming a 3rd world nation.
None of the candidates for President discuss openly these issues. Maybe we should vote for our own candidate?


There won't be a revolution, not in the old sense of the word. In the last revolution there was a 'level' playing feild. same type of weapons, numbers of soldiers etc. Today the Gov't has more weapons than you can shake a stick at.

And if the gov't got wind of any revolt they would have it extinguished long before it gained any serious momentum. In fact they are probably reviewing your tax situation and ability to organize followers, as we speak laugh

Revolution will come from voices.JMHO As for the oil companies and big biz. They don't give a tinkers dam about anything but profit, just the way it is. Capitalism at its ummm finest.confused

I brought --> pizza
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Feb 2, 2008 8:11 AM CST Is it time for another American Revolution?
prncss4someone
prncss4someoneprncss4someoneHopeful, Michigan USA57 Threads 8 Polls 7,227 Posts
drinking
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Feb 2, 2008 8:41 AM CST Is it time for another American Revolution?
TTom50
TTom50TTom50Orlando, Florida USA21 Threads 10 Polls 1,301 Posts
What bothers me is this.........

We (both business and individuals) give them (gov't) answers (some partial and other major) to such things the energy crisis, homeland
security threats, illegal immigration and other areas of concern.

They politely listen and occassionaly they fund test research project. But unless that test project has most of the primary issues covered.
It basically is trashed. No one physical project, or technology project,
or information project has all of it issues covered in the test phase.

They then keep looking for answers. When the answers (or some of the answers) have been shared with them. It a reason, things like the wall on the southern border have been delayed for so long. Why
cars still get 22 miles to the gallon. Why nuclear materials can be
smuggled into the country. Why we don't have a manned space system to replace the Shuttle.

They need to recognize the people and business that come to them with ideas (solutions) for such problems are also trying to work inside the system. But often they (the gov't) seem to only want in house
solutions to thier issues and problems. It is the gov't specifies and the vendor produces complex, I call it. They actually seem desire to keep such individuals and business outside the system and to use them solely as vendors. As vendors, they are outside the information
loop of the gov't agencies often. It is the 'we vs them complex' that gets created.

I think that there is limits to our technologies and our abilities in this finite world with its limited resources. You keep saying 'no' to solutions
of your problems, trying to find the perfect answer or total answer,
and you make yourself ineffective and obsolete. You may never find those prefect answers. I think that is where our gov't is headed. And it explains a number of things......
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Feb 2, 2008 8:57 AM CST Is it time for another American Revolution?
Jimi123499
Jimi123499Jimi123499Central, Victoria Australia19 Threads 2 Polls 1,048 Posts
Wow and I thought this was a site to meet people.......and you can just meet the nicest people here too......like my friend one time at band camp met............sleep

Isn't there a revolution site going round for this.........are we gonna sit round the fire and sing war songs next?????????



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Feb 2, 2008 9:44 AM CST Is it time for another American Revolution?
dazzling_dave
dazzling_davedazzling_daveWaynesboro, Virginia USA4 Threads 1,993 Posts
Do you honestly think that the people of this country are going to do anything that might cause even the slightest discomfort for themselves?
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Feb 2, 2008 10:40 AM CST Is it time for another American Revolution?
dreamer_too
dreamer_toodreamer_tooTransplanted to, North Carolina USA4 Threads 208 Posts
dazzling_dave: Do you honestly think that the people of this country are going to do anything that might cause even the slightest discomfort for themselves?


Nope, I don't. Why would they want to when they can't even get involved on the level of their community until things happen that they don't like? All they had to do would have been to expressed their opinions and what they don't like, never would have happened. There is power in people however, until they can start at the lower levels, the higher levels will continue to have power over the masses.
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Feb 2, 2008 1:35 PM CST Is it time for another American Revolution?
dazzling_dave
dazzling_davedazzling_daveWaynesboro, Virginia USA4 Threads 1,993 Posts
Munichtexan: As long as people are comfortable, you are right. Nothing happens. So is everyone comfortable with the situation as it is now?

No one wants to see benefits, improvements or a better situation for their children?


I'm sure everyone would like to see those things. They only want to see these things as long as it costs them nothing. Far too many people today are so self-centered that they won't even sacrifice for their children.

The new motto of the American people is, "Ask not what I can do for my country. Ask what can my country do for me."
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Feb 2, 2008 2:46 PM CST Is it time for another American Revolution?
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
dazzling_dave: I'm sure everyone would like to see those things. They only want to see these things as long as it costs them nothing. Far too many people today are so self-centered that they won't even sacrifice for their children.

The new motto of the American people is, "Ask not what I can do for my country. Ask what can my country do for me."



The last Democrat debate really turned me off. It was a "lovefest" of what the American people needed done for them. Nothing about empowering people to do things for themselves. Self-reliance will probably be removed from American dictionaries.
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Feb 2, 2008 2:49 PM CST Is it time for another American Revolution?
dazzling_dave
dazzling_davedazzling_daveWaynesboro, Virginia USA4 Threads 1,993 Posts
Indyfella: The last Democrat debate really turned me off. It was a "lovefest" of what the American people needed done for them. Nothing about empowering people to do things for themselves. Self-reliance will probably be removed from American dictionaries.


They are just trying to get back to a simpler time. Surely you remember that television classic, "Aunt Hillary Knows Best." rolling on the floor laughing
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Feb 2, 2008 3:04 PM CST Is it time for another American Revolution?
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
I'm not all that old, but I recall a time when people would have been embarrassed to ask the government to bail them out of anything. Now "we" want protected from themselves.


(I heard this a.m. where a town in the south was trying to pass an ordinance where a restaurant could prohibit serving "fat" people food that would be bad for them. Once we go to "government" health insurance, I'm sure we'll all be on a weight restricted diet.) That'll be interestingprofessor
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Feb 2, 2008 3:19 PM CST Is it time for another American Revolution?
dazzling_dave
dazzling_davedazzling_daveWaynesboro, Virginia USA4 Threads 1,993 Posts
Indyfella: I'm not all that old, but I recall a time when people would have been embarrassed to ask the government to bail them out of anything. Now "we" want protected from themselves.(I heard this a.m. where a town in the south was trying to pass an ordinance where a restaurant could prohibit serving "fat" people food that would be bad for them. Once we go to "government" health insurance, I'm sure we'll all be on a weight restricted diet.) That'll be interesting


During that same time, people would have been embarrassed and ashamed to even ask for help from the government. Now for a lot of people it has become a way of life. I read an interesting article a few years ago about the housing "projects" and why the government wanted to keep them. If the government can keep all the people on welfare in these projects, no one will get the incentive to get a job. If someone down on their luck was forced into the projects and tried to get a job and better themselves, the rest of the neighborhood ridiculed that person until they stopped trying.

It is a shame that after watching the lunacy of the people after Katrina, and the sheer ignorance of some of our "celebrities", the american people still haven't figured it out.
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Feb 2, 2008 3:34 PM CST Is it time for another American Revolution?
solitare
solitaresolitareBariloche, Rio Negro Argentina40 Threads 4,041 Posts
Quoted:
I'm not all that old, but I recall a time when people would have been embarrassed to ask the government to bail them out of anything. Now "we" want protected from themselves.

Here in the above paragraph, is the entire crux of the unsolved dilemma of most Americans, who seemingly cannot resolve and let it be as we have in Europe and for the most part, the rest of the world: namely Who does the Government exist for? Who do "the people" exist for? Which is more important, the people or the government? Do the people exist to serve the government or is it the government that the people form to represent their wishes, their hopes, their desires or does a select group form a government that will tell, dictate or cajole an entire population into doing what it says to do?
Who benefits by the existence of the other? Who should benefit? Who is more important in the first and the last analysis? The people or the government?
In Europe, the various governments exist at our behest, for our benefit. We, the population of any of our respective States, tell the various governments that exist what it is that we want. We wanted the health care systems to be universal and we have it in our own countries;we also are not hesitant nor under some bizarre, almost religious methodology, ashamed to ask for help when and if needed and we or our families cannot help us in our corporate lives. Out governments have adequate safe-guards and procedures to ascertain if there be justifiable cause to intervene, to help or not. If they err, they, those who have erred, will be soon replaced...Corruption exists but it is not written as some sort of divine law that it must exist. How long it exists is for us to determine in elections. Voting, is one of the few things that is taken seriously.
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Feb 2, 2008 5:03 PM CST Is it time for another American Revolution?
tampa1
tampa1tampa1London, Ontario Canada56 Threads 3,057 Posts
Solitare..thumbs up

I think from an American sense a revolution would not involve fighting in the streets and such. I think if a revolution were to occur it would come in the form of the states wanting out of the union, there are already some people of some states talking about this.

Here in Canada Quebec has been kicking this around for quite some time, all they would have needed to leave the country is the proper amount of votes during referendum, is it possible? You bet it is, that's why our federal government panders like hell to this provice.
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Feb 2, 2008 6:02 PM CST Is it time for another American Revolution?
Ulimaroa
UlimaroaUlimaroaCologne, Nordrhein-Westfalen Germany121 Threads 38 Polls 5,629 Posts
lusciousmile: LOL.



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