What is going on with all these school shootings? (56)
Fallingman: I still don't understand how people can so resolutely defend gun culture. Without being simplistic about it....surely the less guns around the less likelihood of gun killings.
Well I would assume the same thing...BUT it's also not the legal gun owners that are the major problem but the criminals...Black Market guns are always going to be available...So if someone wants to get their hands on a gun they would be able too regardless...We have that here...no permits allowed for handguns unless it is for target shooting or for transporting the weapon to a target shoot...YET we have a high rate of gun crime in the major cities because of the black market guns...I'm not defending guns...I'm trying to inject some common sense into a problem that seems to always concentrate on targeting the wrong areas!!!!!!!!
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Hugz_n_Kissez: Well I would assume the same thing...BUT it's also not the legal gun owners that are the major problem but the criminals...Black Market guns are always going to be available...So if someone wants to get their hands on a gun they would be able too regardless...We have that here...no permits allowed for handguns unless it is for target shooting or for transporting the weapon to a target shoot...YET we have a high rate of gun crime in the major cities because of the black market guns...I'm not defending guns...I'm trying to inject some common sense into a problem that seems to always concentrate on targeting the wrong areas!!!!!!!!
I understand. But if society didnt accept being armed to the teeth as a normal state then the volume of guns in the community would come down and gradually easy availability would diminish too. JMO
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My thing...
Me and my Girls live in an area where Guns are just about in every home in the state.
Fortunately because of this knowledge, Shootings or threats of doing so have not arisen.
I really do not fear a school shooting here, predators and pedafiles are a fear...
But if anything like that was to happen to my children... anyone who would draw a gun here would have to be a pretty quick shot because it will not last long.
Even off duty police carry thier guns with them...
Where there is a fear of guns... there is a fear to act up.
Where there is a fear of guns... there is a situation for one who has a gun to victimize many.
so either way one needs to wiegh the pros and cons and vote accordingly to thier belief.
i always go back to thomas Jefferson Davis who said ... a well armed society is a polite society.
JMO
Me and my Girls live in an area where Guns are just about in every home in the state.
Fortunately because of this knowledge, Shootings or threats of doing so have not arisen.
I really do not fear a school shooting here, predators and pedafiles are a fear...
But if anything like that was to happen to my children... anyone who would draw a gun here would have to be a pretty quick shot because it will not last long.
Even off duty police carry thier guns with them...
Where there is a fear of guns... there is a fear to act up.
Where there is a fear of guns... there is a situation for one who has a gun to victimize many.
so either way one needs to wiegh the pros and cons and vote accordingly to thier belief.
i always go back to thomas Jefferson Davis who said ... a well armed society is a polite society.
JMO
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Fallingman: I understand. But if society didnt accept being armed to the teeth as a normal state then the volume of guns in the community would come down and gradually easy availability would diminish too. JMO
availibility would diminsh but would not dissapear.
There will always be Just as drug dealers... someone who will be around to get you what you want for a price.
Just look at Drugs... and even look at Alcohol laws... how has either of them controlled thier prospective problems.
I get propositioned many times to partake in drugs.... when i'am not seeking them they are still offered.
How would Making Guns illeagal really change things... other than take them from the hands of defenders and place them in the hands of those who will victimize the law abiding.
If someone really wanted to rob you they can do it with a machete or even a baseball bat... and can still take your life...
A gun in the hands of the one being victimized would save thier own life if the perp was intending to take a life anyway.
Just something to think about, as you watch the news and see around the world in those areas where guns are not permitted.... Death rates have lowered... i will give you that.... but violent crimes and thefts have double and even triple.
Again JMO
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Scottishlass: There's been ANOTHER one at Northern Illinois University. If I were a college age student these days, I would be afraid to go to school, & if I did I would be wearing a protective vest like the police or military wear.
Lately I am more frightened of schools than terrorists. If I had school age kids, you can be sure they would be home schooled.
Lately I am more frightened of schools than terrorists. If I had school age kids, you can be sure they would be home schooled.
Agree with you Scottishlass!! Seems that when someone has some kind of problem they take out their rage on kids!!! This is amazing!
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Fallingman: I understand. But if society didnt accept being armed to the teeth as a normal state then the volume of guns in the community would come down and gradually easy availability would diminish too. JMO
But FM, they have virtually disarmed us here in England and the gun crimes are at an all time high - its a crazy world
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trish123: But FM, they have virtually disarmed us here in England and the gun crimes are at an all time high - its a crazy world
I understand.....but the school massacres, the crazy things, are not done by criminals they are done by alienated loners often who have easy access to guns in a society riddled with them. This is not so much about crime as about ordinary people who lose the plot for a bit and can get hold of guns to act out their fantasies and their pain.
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Fallingman: I understand. But if society didnt accept being armed to the teeth as a normal state then the volume of guns in the community would come down and gradually easy availability would diminish too. JMO
well said fallingham !
thats the problem in america !...what i cant understand is the BRITISH EXCUSE ??????
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Fallingman: I understand. But if society didnt accept being armed to the teeth as a normal state then the volume of guns in the community would come down and gradually easy availability would diminish too. JMO
I see that as a start somewhere ... otherwise its too damn scary !!
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Give teachers back some authority! Teachers and Administration have no power to enforce proper behavior and respect, a child can spit in a teachers face, strike them and the teacher can do nothing. I think any crime committed with a gun should carry a mandatory lifetime sentence with no possibility of parole.
I am so incredibly disgusted by the low value placed on human life, the lack of respect and basic manners that people have towards each other.
Thats why I live on a little island that has not had a single gun crime in the five years that I have been here, and crime has actually reduced by 30% in the last 2 years... we went from 12 purse snatchings, to 9
I am so incredibly disgusted by the low value placed on human life, the lack of respect and basic manners that people have towards each other.
Thats why I live on a little island that has not had a single gun crime in the five years that I have been here, and crime has actually reduced by 30% in the last 2 years... we went from 12 purse snatchings, to 9
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jbibiza: Give teachers back some authority! Teachers and Administration have no power to enforce proper behavior and respect, a child can spit in a teachers face, strike them and the teacher can do nothing
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jbibiza: Give teachers back some authority! Teachers and Administration have no power to enforce proper behavior and respect, a child can spit in a teachers face, strike them and the teacher can do nothing.
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Fallingman: I understand.....but the school massacres, the crazy things, are not done by criminals they are done by alienated loners often who have easy access to guns in a society riddled with them. This is not so much about crime as about ordinary people who lose the plot for a bit and can get hold of guns to act out their fantasies and their pain.
I grew up with the saying 'whatever happens in America usually takes five or ten years to start happening here' - I really hope not!!
I havent read the latest on yesterdays shootings so dont know but it does seem youre' right in the 'alienated loners' thing so hows this happening to these kids, how are they becoming so alienated and is nobody keeping an eye out for kids potentially at risk - is there help available if they are identified, whats the common denominator between these kids - how can we possibly stop it happening - surely teachers can spot at risk pupils or are they not allowed to intervene or something
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Fallingman: I understand. But if society didnt accept being armed to the teeth as a normal state then the volume of guns in the community would come down and gradually easy availability would diminish too. JMO
what constitutes "being armed to the teeth" ? 2 rifles, one pistol, or perhaps, a grenade laucher and a 60 cal., maybe just weapons that are fully automatic?
what about a fledgling chemist who in his basement or garage has the where withall to containminate an entire city's water supply.or a buildings ventilation system?
outlawing anything that has been available for years nay decades then that bumper sticker 1 see frequently will becoem fact
"outlaw guns and only outlaw will have them"
and what good would that do society as a whole
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jbibiza: Give teachers back some authority! Teachers and Administration have no power to enforce proper behavior and respect, a child can spit in a teachers face, strike them and the teacher can do nothing. I think any crime committed with a gun should carry a mandatory lifetime sentence with no possibility of parole.
I am so incredibly disgusted by the low value placed on human life, the lack of respect and basic manners that people have towards each other.
Thats why I live on a little island that has not had a single gun crime in the five years that I have been here, and crime has actually reduced by 30% in the last 2 years... we went from 12 purse snatchings, to 9
I am so incredibly disgusted by the low value placed on human life, the lack of respect and basic manners that people have towards each other.
Thats why I live on a little island that has not had a single gun crime in the five years that I have been here, and crime has actually reduced by 30% in the last 2 years... we went from 12 purse snatchings, to 9
well said jbibiza !
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Scottishlass: There's been ANOTHER one at Northern Illinois University. If I were a college age student these days, I would be afraid to go to school, & if I did I would be wearing a protective vest like the police or military wear.
Lately I am more frightened of schools than terrorists. If I had school age kids, you can be sure they would be home schooled.
Lately I am more frightened of schools than terrorists. If I had school age kids, you can be sure they would be home schooled.
I don't know...I think the world is losing it's mind.
I know NIU very well. My dad was employed there as a stationary engineer there for 30 years. I was born in raised in Sycamore and lived in Dekalb after I got married. It isn't the type of area where you would expect something like this to happen. I can say I am truly shocked but maybe more so since that is where I come from. It is truly a tragedy...
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After seeing this in the area I was raised in and the hospital where I had my children in I can say I am glad that for a community that small that they handled themselves very well.
The bad thing about these things is that it gives the perpetrators there notoriety and I think that is why we are seeing so much of this.
The bad thing about these things is that it gives the perpetrators there notoriety and I think that is why we are seeing so much of this.
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Scottishlass: Lately I am more frightened of schools than terrorists. If I had school age kids, you can be sure they would be home schooled.
I homeschool my son and this is just one of the reasons.
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Scottishlass:
Lately I am more frightened of schools than terrorists. If I had school age kids, you can be sure they would be home schooled.
Lately I am more frightened of schools than terrorists. If I had school age kids, you can be sure they would be home schooled.
CLEVER Statement ... vote for a politician who isnt in league with the arms manufacturers... for a change
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I still don't understand how people can so resolutely defend gun culture. Without being simplistic about it....surely the less guns around the less likelihood of gun killings.