FINALLY! it took 63 posts to get the type of answer i was looking for! i didnt undertsnd a word of it!! but it looks pretty in depth.. i try look up what i can. cheers!
EastbayRay: Listen kids, if you want to embrace rebellious self-centred irreligious teachings then you are better off becoming a disciple of Nietzsche. Read ‘Thus Spake Zaruthustra’ and ‘Beyond Good & Evil’ Half the satanic nonsense is inspired by Nietzsche’s Zarathustra anyway. You read Zarathustra, you’ll come away irreligious and with a philosophy of pure ego and will to power. This is what it’s all about. Christianity and most religious movements embrace selflessness and denial of the will to live, Satanism embraces self-centeredness and affirmation of the will to live. Leave the satanic bible written in 1969 to the fools who follow it. Trust me, my friends, everything you are looking for in ‘Satanism’ so called is contained in its pure form in Thus Spake Zarathustra. And perhaps also Machiavelli’s The Prince (though this was written in the 1600s and this must be remembered at all times when reading it). Basically, though, all wars, genocides and inhumanity to inhumanity is affirmation of the will to live and the expression of will to power. Tread cautiously.
Tamarory: isnt an atheist someone who doesnt believe in god or refuses because of lack of evidence or whatever?? but this guy says universalism is the most realistic?? i looked it up and it says that all mortal things will be reconciled with god?? why would an atheist back this up!
Tamarory: ok i notice alot of forums about religion, but what about this one.. satanists?? see ive read up a bit about it, and im not a follower of any religion, and im not saying i support it.. but i believe it is the most misunderstood religion of them all.. alot of people tend to think they are devil worshippers which is not true! they dont perform human or animal rituals, the only rituals they have have is where they go into a confessionl booth and make a doll of the person they feel has hurt them or done wrong to them and stick pins in it while shouting and screaming and letting all the built up emotion out on the doll.. satanism from what i have read is that it is they dont have a god to follow of any form, they believe you are your own god and that you should worship yourself and your own needs. as i said im not a follower or a believer of this religion in any way, as i am with any other religion, but it would be interesting to see other peoples views on it..
Sounds like weakly constructed PR to me.... they call themselves 'SATANists'.... 'C'mon!! and Satan himself would be powerless if it weren't for peoples own weaknesses and desires... He rules by cunning and manipulation.. if people who follow that mode of living think they are worshipping merely themselves.. then I think they have themselves fooled...
Aries01: Sounds like weakly constructed PR to me.... they call themselves 'SATANists'.... 'C'mon!! and Satan himself would be powerless if it weren't for peoples own weaknesses and desires... He rules by cunning and manipulation.. if people who follow that mode of living think they are worshipping merely themselves.. then I think they have themselves fooled...
JMHO
Satanism has nothing to do with Cristian idea of a devil. If fact Satanism might be older then Christianity. Human desire have existed before any religion. Though my system of believe disagrees with Satanism it doesn't hinder my understanding. Humanity always strangle between two extremes "right - wrong", "good - evil" failing to realize that it is the nature of things. I believe it is foolish to ignore your desires as it is foolish to ignore your spirit.
Tamarory: i watched a programme a few weeks back on black metal and it origin, cradle and dimmu came across as pure commercialists.. but i like em! awesome riffs, and even awesomer drummers! hellhammer is the man, but my loyalty lies with joey jordison! HE RULES THE WORLD!!
Yes, now they are pure commercial projects and cradle of filth becomes more far from black metal, but their idea remains the same. It seem only Mayham try to to be true blackers)))
EastbayRay: Listen kids, if you want to embrace rebellious self-centred irreligious teachings then you are better off becoming a disciple of Nietzsche. Read ‘Thus Spake Zaruthustra’ and ‘Beyond Good & Evil’ Half the satanic nonsense is inspired by Nietzsche’s Zarathustra anyway. You read Zarathustra, you’ll come away irreligious and with a philosophy of pure ego and will to power. This is what it’s all about. Christianity and most religious movements embrace selflessness and denial of the will to live, Satanism embraces self-centeredness and affirmation of the will to live. Leave the satanic bible written in 1969 to the fools who follow it. Trust me, my friends, everything you are looking for in ‘Satanism’ so called is contained in its pure form in Thus Spake Zarathustra. And perhaps also Machiavelli’s The Prince (though this was written in the 1600s and this must be remembered at all times when reading it). Basically, though, all wars, genocides and inhumanity to inhumanity is affirmation of the will to live and the expression of will to power. Tread cautiously.
Well, music preferences does not show your relationship to religion. I was born in muslim family, and consider my self as a muslim in some way, though never went to mosque or prayed. I like different kinds of music and pay no attention to the idea, I like only music, but not lyrics.
I did not read Spake Zaruthustra, but it seem you have no clear idea of the Zaruthustra religion. This religion originated in the Central Asia, in the region I live in, and developed in old Persia. The main principles of this book are in some way similar to the main religions of the world, as Zaruthustra has own holy book called "Avesto" and a God Zaruthustra, who is considered to be the only god in this religion and the evil spirit Ahriman, who is like Devil tries to make people act wrong. This religion has no relationship with Satanists and is even followed by many people in India and mountain areas of South-East Asian countries
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