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Jun 8, 2008 12:53 AM CST Are people starving to death in The United States?
RillyNiceGuy
RillyNiceGuyRillyNiceGuySoutheast, Arkansas USA839 Threads 13,003 Posts
I told someone a few days ago that I felt it was more important to feed children that are staving to death in others countries than to donate to send ones here to a camp for a few days. I was informed that it was more important to feed families that were starving to death in our own country than to feed some foreign kids. I have heard this remark many times. I am must say that is all my life I have never heard or read of anyone dying from lack of food in this country. If someone died from lack of food, I would have expected it to be a hugh news event. Either I have been napping or these people are full of prunes. Are they just bigots? or do they live in different circles than I?
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Jun 8, 2008 2:55 AM CST Are people starving to death in The United States?
langleygirl
langleygirllangleygirlWestlock, Alberta Canada70 Threads 8,202 Posts
RillyNiceGuy: I told someone a few days ago that I felt it was more important to feed children that are staving to death in others countries than to donate to send ones here to a camp for a few days. I was informed that it was more important to feed families that were starving to death in our own country than to feed some foreign kids. I have heard this remark many times. I am must say that is all my life I have never heard or read of anyone dying from lack of food in this country. If someone died from lack of food, I would have expected it to be a hugh news event. Either I have been napping or these people are full of prunes. Are they just bigots? or do they live in different circles than I?


People without a doubt go without food/shelter within our countries of the US and Canada ...... but I don't think its to the extreme of other countries. Does it make it less shameful that we don't look after our own citizens? No ......... we should be helping those at home who need it as well as those in other countries. We waste so much that could be give to another in need ................ we simply need to open our eyes, ask questions and we'll find more than our fair share of people who we could help. We each can make a difference by simply helping one person/family.
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Jun 8, 2008 2:59 AM CST Are people starving to death in The United States?
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
langleygirl: People without a doubt go without food/shelter within our countries of the US and Canada ...... but I don't think its to the extreme of other countries. Does it make it less shameful that we don't look after our own citizens? No ......... we should be helping those at home who need it as well as those in other countries. We waste so much that could be give to another in need ................ we simply need to open our eyes, ask questions and we'll find more than our fair share of people who we could help. We each can make a difference by simply helping one person/family.



Exactly and it's not just the people who don't work....There was a report released the other day that showed the majority of those who use food-banks acrossed Canada are those who are already working yet can't make ends meet....so the idea of people collecting welfare etc being the only starving people in this country is a fable!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Jun 8, 2008 7:14 AM CST Are people starving to death in The United States?
RillyNiceGuy
RillyNiceGuyRillyNiceGuySoutheast, Arkansas USA839 Threads 13,003 Posts
langleygirl: People without a doubt go without food/shelter within our countries of the US and Canada ...... but I don't think its to the extreme of other countries. Does it make it less shameful that we don't look after our own citizens? No ......... we should be helping those at home who need it as well as those in other countries. We waste so much that could be give to another in need ................ we simply need to open our eyes, ask questions and we'll find more than our fair share of people who we could help. We each can make a difference by simply helping one person/family.


I have been trying to help people all my life. People here will moan about not having enough money. I offer them ways to make money and help them to start......they always piss and moan some reason why they can't do it. Hundreds of times I have tried. I gave one guy boxes and boxes of stuff to have a rummage sale, he had no job, sleeping in his truck. I told him how to sell ,set up, wheel and deal. I told him how to buy out other sales and keep it going until he got a job then he could keep making money having sales. What does he do......it was to hot to be outside all day (he was outside anyway... except he would walk around in Wal mart. I was mowing my grass in the same weather) he takes the stuff and sells the whole bunch for ten dollars and goes to KFC. About seven dollars to eat. Three dollars for gas. Why not eight for gas and two to eat......find someone that needs some work done....rake yards...haul trash.....cleans out sheds....too much trouble...give me something! Here this seems to be the rule in my area.
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Jun 8, 2008 7:28 AM CST Are people starving to death in The United States?
RillyNiceGuy
RillyNiceGuyRillyNiceGuySoutheast, Arkansas USA839 Threads 13,003 Posts
Hugz_n_Kissez: Exactly and it's not just the people who don't work....There was a report released the other day that showed the majority of those who use food-banks acrossed Canada are those who are already working yet can't make ends meet....so the idea of people collecting welfare etc being the only starving people in this country is a fable!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I was told a person and tkids were starving to death. I told the person who told me this to send them to me and I would help them make some money. I asked if this person and kids had internet that I knew a way to make money that was real good. The reply was I think she does. WHAT and her kids are starving while they play with the internet. What about the people that couldn't feed themselves because things were so bad......but did not part with his like new bass boat and motor. A young woman comes to my father with tears in here eyes needing to borrow some money very badly. We thought her child had died or something. She had to have forty dollars to keep her cell phone on. She didn't need the damn thing to start with it was a toy she could not afford.

But kids digging in garbage to eat rotting food and the maggots (protein) is different than some guy waiting until a customer leaves and sitting where they were and finishing their left food. I know someone who has been do that for years. One is gross and the other is death!
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Jun 8, 2008 7:36 AM CST Are people starving to death in The United States?
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
RillyNiceGuy: I was told a person and tkids were starving to death. I told the person who told me this to send them to me and I would help them make some money. I asked if this person and kids had internet that I knew a way to make money that was real good. The reply was I think she does. WHAT and her kids are starving while they play with the internet. What about the people that couldn't feed themselves because things were so bad......but did not part with his like new bass boat and motor. A young woman comes to my father with tears in here eyes needing to borrow some money very badly. We thought her child had died or something. She had to have forty dollars to keep her cell phone on. She didn't need the damn thing to start with it was a toy she could not afford.

But kids digging in garbage to eat rotting food and the maggots (protein) is different than some guy waiting until a customer leaves and sitting where they were and finishing their left food. I know someone who has been do that for years. One is gross and the other is death!


Cell phones should be like national health insurance, a God given right. professor















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Jun 8, 2008 7:44 AM CST Are people starving to death in The United States?
Portiea
PortieaPortieaKonstanz, Baden-Wuerttemberg Germany93 Threads 11 Polls 4,000 Posts
Indyfella: Sign me up.
You don't look underprivileged to me...scold
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Jun 8, 2008 7:47 AM CST Are people starving to death in The United States?
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
Portiea: You don't look underprivileged to me...



That's because I dumpster dive every evening. I save big bucks on groceries. professor
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Jun 8, 2008 7:58 AM CST Are people starving to death in The United States?
Portiea
PortieaPortieaKonstanz, Baden-Wuerttemberg Germany93 Threads 11 Polls 4,000 Posts
RillyNiceGuy: I told someone a few days ago that I felt it was more important to feed children that are staving to death in others countries than to donate to send ones here to a camp for a few days. I was informed that it was more important to feed families that were starving to death in our own country than to feed some foreign kids. I have heard this remark many times. I am must say that is all my life I have never heard or read of anyone dying from lack of food in this country. If someone died from lack of food, I would have expected it to be a hugh news event. Either I have been napping or these people are full of prunes. Are they just bigots? or do they live in different circles than I?


Ok...a serious answer. I think people are going hungry in the States. I am surprised too...but there are people who are suffering despite all the social services and despite it being a rich country. Granted, poverty there is not poverty in 3rd world countries, but true suffering does exist.

One is the situation of the elderly. It comes down to mental capacity, I think. Some elderly people slip through the cracks. They want to be independent and live on their own. They may refuse help because of pride. They are unaware of meals on wheels, for example, or refuse it because of pride. Their SS check is small and their rent and utilties are high, plus the cost of medicines, even with Medicare. They have little left over for food and some eat barely at all....for some reason, somehow, they slip through all the services in the States and go hungry, or are hungry. They may not die of starvation, but they are suffering.

A documentary I once watched showed the situation of a young single mother and her children living in conditions you wouldn't imagine for the States. The mother was ignorant, uneducated, and possibly mentally handicapped to some level, i.e., not very bright. They lived in the country, away from any city, in a very rural area in an old, falling apart trailer. They did not have a car. There was no man/husband/father to help out. She had no job and several children. They were just barely surviving. They did not have running water or electricity. She received welfare, but did not manage it well. There was not enough food stamps to feed the whole family well for the whole month. Bottom line, she did not know how to work the system because of her mental/emotional limitations and she and her kids were really suffering. Were they starving? No, but part of the months they were really, really hungry. The social services of the state she lived in were limited....not much was provided because it was a poor state, and living in the country instead of the city seemed to be a limitation because of lack of access to services. There are people living like this...stark poverty...not getting adequate social services, etc.
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Jun 8, 2008 7:59 AM CST Are people starving to death in The United States?
reelman90
reelman90reelman90Richmond, Kentucky USA3 Threads 387 Posts
RillyNiceGuy: I was told a person and tkids were starving to death. I told the person who told me this to send them to me and I would help them make some money. I asked if this person and kids had internet that I knew a way to make money that was real good. The reply was I think she does. WHAT and her kids are starving while they play with the internet. What about the people that couldn't feed themselves because things were so bad......but did not part with his like new bass boat and motor. A young woman comes to my father with tears in here eyes needing to borrow some money very badly. We thought her child had died or something. She had to have forty dollars to keep her cell phone on. She didn't need the damn thing to start with it was a toy she could not afford.

But kids digging in garbage to eat rotting food and the maggots (protein) is different than some guy waiting until a customer leaves and sitting where they were and finishing their left food. I know someone who has been do that for years. One is gross and the other is death!



I fall in the middle and really don't lean to hard to the left or the right.

I once dated a girl in college and her father was a Dairy Queen manager. He drove by a guy holding a sign that said "Need Food".
He proceeded to turn around and approach the sign toting fella. He told him that if he would come with him to the Dairy Queen, he would give him a job.........Guess what the guy said......."No Thanks"
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Jun 8, 2008 8:02 AM CST Are people starving to death in The United States?
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
A local talk show host went out w/a "work for food" sign. I pocketed slightly over $60 bucks in 3 hours. Now when you think about it, that's not bad money. It's not taxable income; so it's about the equivelent of $90. For a 9 hour day, that would be about $270.00. (of course, he doesn't get overtime rate for that extra hour)

To my way of thinking, that's not too friggin bad...



(Obviously, that's only 1 person on a given day....and I'm sure not all pan-handlers make that kind of money, but then some probably make more.)
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Jun 8, 2008 8:15 AM CST Are people starving to death in The United States?
RillyNiceGuy
RillyNiceGuyRillyNiceGuySoutheast, Arkansas USA839 Threads 13,003 Posts
I agree there are people here that are in dire situations. All need help.
my point of the thread was people will raise money to send kids to camp or buy new pews or put a neon sign in front of the church. Then when told that it is more important to feed someone that will be dead tomorrow than these things. The subject is dodged by saying that there are people starving to death in this town. If someone died of lack of food....it would make national news. But still even if it was so...they still send their kids to camp. The churches should be sold and the true poor willing to help themselves helped. If such an event took place, then I would sit in the grass in the hot sun to see what that preacher had to say about the word of God!

Why do they think others dying is less important than a fat man living in a truck.confused


I heard on the news one night! "Seven people were killed by last nights tornado, but even worse over twenty million dollars worth of property damage was done across the state."

EVEN WORSE? People are getting screwy!doh
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Jun 8, 2008 8:19 AM CST Are people starving to death in The United States?
RillyNiceGuy
RillyNiceGuyRillyNiceGuySoutheast, Arkansas USA839 Threads 13,003 Posts
All the women too. Where do you think we get women for the goverment program.grin
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Jun 8, 2008 8:21 AM CST Are people starving to death in The United States?
Portiea
PortieaPortieaKonstanz, Baden-Wuerttemberg Germany93 Threads 11 Polls 4,000 Posts
RillyNiceGuy: I agree there are people here that are in dire situations. All need help.
my point of the thread was people will raise money to send kids to camp or buy new pews or put a neon sign in front of the church. Then when told that it is more important to feed someone that will be dead tomorrow than these things. The subject is dodged by saying that there are people starving to death in this town. If someone died of lack of food....it would make national news. But still even if it was so...they still send their kids to camp. The churches should be sold and the true poor willing to help themselves helped. If such an event took place, then I would sit in the grass in the hot sun to see what that preacher had to say about the word of God!

Why do they think others dying is less important than a fat man living in a truck. I heard on the news one night! "Seven people were killed by last nights tornado, but even worse over twenty million dollars worth of property damage was done across the state."

EVEN WORSE? People are getting screwy!


I understand your point and concerns. Most Americans have not seen first hand any real suffering, like in some places/events in Africa for example. They see it on TV, and once you turn off the TV or walk away, the issue fades. We all, every human being, want pleasure and ease more than not. There are few Mother Teresas who give up their lives for others. That being said, my understanding is that statiscally, Americans are huge philanthopists around the world. Americans, including the Christian church, give to foundations around the world in great measure. Yes, they could give more, but a lot of it has to do with how the money and services are managaged and distributed to those suffering.

The point about it being even worse that property was damaged...wow...hopefully that is just that one newscast and possibly the news anchor there---those people are not necessarily mental giants.

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Jun 8, 2008 8:22 AM CST Are people starving to death in The United States?
reelman90
reelman90reelman90Richmond, Kentucky USA3 Threads 387 Posts
Another issue I have is with the people in this country crying and whining that they can't eat, pay their mortgage and so on. Then you see them drive off in a $50,000 gas hog with 2.3 kids or more and go home to their 400k homes. This also includes the ridiculous credit card debt that many carry.

If you want to leverage yourself to the hilt and need that next pay check to survive, don't come crying to me when hard times come.

Rules to live by:

1) Get educated
2) Pay yourself first........save and invest 10% or more of your paycheck.
3) Live within your means and not check to check. Save for the big screen TV and etc.

Follow these rules and you will be just fine!


One other thing, if the USA economy collapsed completely, and the fish quit biting and the other critters stopped roaming the earth, I would go to Wal-Mart and belly up to the meat fridge and start eating (misdemeanor crime). If they put put me in jail, I would at least have shelter and 3 squares a day. What is so bad about that if you are starving?

Just an opinion!
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Jun 8, 2008 8:31 AM CST Are people starving to death in The United States?
reelman90
reelman90reelman90Richmond, Kentucky USA3 Threads 387 Posts
RillyNiceGuy: I agree there are people here that are in dire situations. All need help.
my point of the thread was people will raise money to send kids to camp or buy new pews or put a neon sign in front of the church. Then when told that it is more important to feed someone that will be dead tomorrow than these things. The subject is dodged by saying that there are people starving to death in this town. If someone died of lack of food....it would make national news. But still even if it was so...they still send their kids to camp. The churches should be sold and the true poor willing to help themselves helped. If such an event took place, then I would sit in the grass in the hot sun to see what that preacher had to say about the word of God!


Why do they think others dying is less important than a fat man living in a truck. I heard on the news one night! "Seven people were killed by last nights tornado, but even worse over twenty million dollars worth of property damage was done across the state."

EVEN WORSE? People are getting screwy!



I know! I see this stuff too and it makes me worry!
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Jun 8, 2008 8:38 AM CST Are people starving to death in The United States?
RillyNiceGuy
RillyNiceGuyRillyNiceGuySoutheast, Arkansas USA839 Threads 13,003 Posts
reelman90: Another issue I have is with the people in this country crying and whining that they can't eat, pay their mortgage and so on. Then you see them drive off in a $50,000 gas hog with 2.3 kids or more and go home to their 400k homes. This also includes the ridiculous credit card debt that many carry.

If you want to leverage yourself to the hilt and need that next pay check to survive, don't come crying to me when hard times come.

Rules to live by:

1) Get educated
2) Pay yourself first........save and invest 10% or more of your paycheck.
3) Live within your means and not check to check. Save for the big screen TV and etc.

Follow these rules and you will be just fine!One other thing, if the USA economy collapsed completely, and the fish quit biting and the other critters stopped roaming the earth, I would go to Wal-Mart and belly up to the meat fridge and start eating (misdemeanor crime). If they put put me in jail, I would at least have shelter and 3 squares a day. What is so bad about that if you are starving?

Just an opinion!




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Jun 8, 2008 8:38 AM CST Are people starving to death in The United States?
reelman90
reelman90reelman90Richmond, Kentucky USA3 Threads 387 Posts
Portiea: Ok,but seriously, this is the exception and probably very rare....come on...


You are correct that it is an exception and I would even go as far to say extremely rare. But it's an alternative!

This where education works for you, even if you don't want to work in the normal capacity.
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Jun 8, 2008 9:54 AM CST Are people starving to death in The United States?
reelman90
reelman90reelman90Richmond, Kentucky USA3 Threads 387 Posts
Indyfella: Do you have the street corner he stood at?


I can't even remember the show I saw it on. Damn, I bet it has been 10 years ago since I saw that tidbit of interesting info.
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Jun 8, 2008 10:35 AM CST Are people starving to death in The United States?
gingerb
gingerbgingerbLetterkenny, Donegal Ireland7 Threads 1 Polls 4,139 Posts


This is a link to a site that shows pics of starving Americans, among others.

Funny thing though. When I went looking up sites that talked about poverty in the USA, none of the sites worked. Isn't that odd? (I have friends who for many years have worked with the poor and starving in various parts of the States, so I know firsthand that it exists, so why hide it?).

Censorship maybe? Could the fact that this media outlet is, after all owned by America, have anything to do with it?
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