Turkey in European Union (98)
mariestads: So, you see EU as a geographical organisation?
Do you have any idea where Turkiye and Cyprus are?
Do you know where switzerland is. It's a stupid question and not about Cyprus.
All discussions come to a point in the end. The EU can simply not allow any non-christian country as a member. it is mostly about religion!
It shouldn't be but you're right. And it has started a long time ago.... a very long time....
Turkiye plays a critical role as a laicist republic , which can be a model for many other islamic countries.
Turkiye has a stronger economy than many EU members.
The EU just ignores all benefits it can have letting Turkiye in, this decision can not be rational. It is obviously religous!
There's also the Armenian problem
And i have never met any single french person who liked turkiye. I can not help wondering where this hatred comes from?
Can't help you, I'm Swiss.
To answer the question: :In my opinion, even being a candidate has made turkiye to complete very important reforms. Being a member will make Turkiye a stronger country. However, being quite sure the EU will never accept Türkiye, I think Türkiye should start looking for other alternatives. China,Russia and some big Asian countries are talking about forming their own union. It will be EU's lost if Turkiye hopefully be a part of another organisation.
Do you have any idea where Turkiye and Cyprus are?
Do you know where switzerland is. It's a stupid question and not about Cyprus.
All discussions come to a point in the end. The EU can simply not allow any non-christian country as a member. it is mostly about religion!
It shouldn't be but you're right. And it has started a long time ago.... a very long time....
Turkiye plays a critical role as a laicist republic , which can be a model for many other islamic countries.
Turkiye has a stronger economy than many EU members.
The EU just ignores all benefits it can have letting Turkiye in, this decision can not be rational. It is obviously religous!
There's also the Armenian problem
And i have never met any single french person who liked turkiye. I can not help wondering where this hatred comes from?
Can't help you, I'm Swiss.
To answer the question: :In my opinion, even being a candidate has made turkiye to complete very important reforms. Being a member will make Turkiye a stronger country. However, being quite sure the EU will never accept Türkiye, I think Türkiye should start looking for other alternatives. China,Russia and some big Asian countries are talking about forming their own union. It will be EU's lost if Turkiye hopefully be a part of another organisation.
Or it can do like Switzerland did : Bilateral Accords with European Union.
Oh, I was going to forget 
what i mean was, having most of its land in asia can not be a reason for EU not to let Turkiye in. I gave Cyprus as an example. They have joined, and the island is far away from europe.
So it can not be about geography.
turks on cyprus voted 'yes' for UN's plan for a solution. Greek part of cyprus voted 'no' and they have got their prize, they are a member now.
And it can not be economics, Turkish economy is much larger and stronger than most of the countries below, (or lets say , at least in the same level)
-Bulgaria
-Cyprus
-Czech Republic
-Estonia
-Greece
-Hungary
-Ireland
-Latvia
-Lithuania
-Luxembourg
-Malta
-Poland
-Portugal
-Romania
-Slovakia
-Slovenia
I think what EU became is just a religious brotherhood. in real demoracies, religion is not a part of politics. EU has to be democratic itself to question others.
and my swiss friend, dont play the swiss army to defend the new vatican :)
So it can not be about geography.
turks on cyprus voted 'yes' for UN's plan for a solution. Greek part of cyprus voted 'no' and they have got their prize, they are a member now.
And it can not be economics, Turkish economy is much larger and stronger than most of the countries below, (or lets say , at least in the same level)
-Bulgaria
-Cyprus
-Czech Republic
-Estonia
-Greece
-Hungary
-Ireland
-Latvia
-Lithuania
-Luxembourg
-Malta
-Poland
-Portugal
-Romania
-Slovakia
-Slovenia
I think what EU became is just a religious brotherhood. in real demoracies, religion is not a part of politics. EU has to be democratic itself to question others.
and my swiss friend, dont play the swiss army to defend the new vatican :)
mariestads: what i mean was, having most of its land in asia can not be a reason for EU not to let Turkiye in. I gave Cyprus as an example. They have joined, and the island is far away from europe.
So it can not be about geography.
turks on cyprus voted 'yes' for UN's plan for a solution. Greek part of cyprus voted 'no' and they have got their prize, they are a member now.And it can not be economics, Turkish economy is much larger and stronger than most of the countries below, (or lets say , at least in the same level)
-Bulgaria
-Cyprus
-Czech Republic
-Estonia
-Greece
-Hungary
-Ireland
-Latvia
-Lithuania
-Luxembourg
-Malta
-Poland
-Portugal
-Romania
-Slovakia
-Slovenia
I think what EU became is just a religious brotherhood. in real demoracies, religion is not a part of politics. EU has to be democratic itself to question others.
and my swiss friend, dont play the swiss army to defend the new vatican :)
So you think the Swiss Army consists of that One Company in the Vatican?So it can not be about geography.
turks on cyprus voted 'yes' for UN's plan for a solution. Greek part of cyprus voted 'no' and they have got their prize, they are a member now.And it can not be economics, Turkish economy is much larger and stronger than most of the countries below, (or lets say , at least in the same level)
-Bulgaria
-Cyprus
-Czech Republic
-Estonia
-Greece
-Hungary
-Ireland
-Latvia
-Lithuania
-Luxembourg
-Malta
-Poland
-Portugal
-Romania
-Slovakia
-Slovenia
I think what EU became is just a religious brotherhood. in real demoracies, religion is not a part of politics. EU has to be democratic itself to question others.
and my swiss friend, dont play the swiss army to defend the new vatican :)
My opinion is based on an impression that I’ve got since some of East European countries became EU members:
They are considered as a lower sort of people: you just listen to all tasteless jokes about Polish and Lithuanian and former Yugoslavian workers that Brits and Frenchmen and Swedes are creating and laughing at.
My impression again: they were let into EU very reluctantly, as Brussels had to choose between to leave them at free drift where they can join exactly everything (considering energy-carriers’ prices they could turn back to Russia, gods verboten grief!), or “embrace” them – the more the merrier, kind of.
On the one side, the Turkish people (I mean usual people) would be better of if Turkey would join EU, especially ethnic minorities and women. EU has its demands on the subject, though I doubt that the said demands are frank.
On the other side… what’s the point to join a stillborn body that itself doesn’t know why it exists. To become a second sort member?
I’m sure, Turkey, as any country, would manage on its own. Just because there’s no choice: you either manage on your own or you disappear, as simple as that. And I don’t see any reason why Turkey would disappear, it’s managing on its own for centuries now.
They are considered as a lower sort of people: you just listen to all tasteless jokes about Polish and Lithuanian and former Yugoslavian workers that Brits and Frenchmen and Swedes are creating and laughing at.
My impression again: they were let into EU very reluctantly, as Brussels had to choose between to leave them at free drift where they can join exactly everything (considering energy-carriers’ prices they could turn back to Russia, gods verboten grief!), or “embrace” them – the more the merrier, kind of.
On the one side, the Turkish people (I mean usual people) would be better of if Turkey would join EU, especially ethnic minorities and women. EU has its demands on the subject, though I doubt that the said demands are frank.
On the other side… what’s the point to join a stillborn body that itself doesn’t know why it exists. To become a second sort member?
I’m sure, Turkey, as any country, would manage on its own. Just because there’s no choice: you either manage on your own or you disappear, as simple as that. And I don’t see any reason why Turkey would disappear, it’s managing on its own for centuries now.
I WANT VISA TO TRAVEL 
Ok, it's in the mail....
Conrad73: So you think the Swiss Army consists of that One Company in the Vatican?
Of course not :) I guess i should have said Swiss Guards and Swiss Army..
I like Swiss people and Swiss knives, did not mean to offense you...
Tulefel: My opinion is based on an impression that I’ve got since some of East European countries became EU members:
They are considered as a lower sort of people: you just listen to all tasteless jokes about Polish and Lithuanian and former Yugoslavian workers that Brits and Frenchmen and Swedes are creating and laughing at.
My impression again: they were let into EU very reluctantly, as Brussels had to choose between to leave them at free drift where they can join exactly everything (considering energy-carriers’ prices they could turn back to Russia, gods verboten grief!), or “embrace” them – the more the merrier, kind of.
On the one side, the Turkish people (I mean usual people) would be better of if Turkey would join EU, especially ethnic minorities and women. EU has its demands on the subject, though I doubt that the said demands are frank.
On the other side… what’s the point to join a stillborn body that itself doesn’t know why it exists. To become a second sort member?
I’m sure, Turkey, as any country, would manage on its own. Just because there’s no choice: you either manage on your own or you disappear, as simple as that. And I don’t see any reason why Turkey would disappear, it’s managing on its own for centuries now.
They are considered as a lower sort of people: you just listen to all tasteless jokes about Polish and Lithuanian and former Yugoslavian workers that Brits and Frenchmen and Swedes are creating and laughing at.
My impression again: they were let into EU very reluctantly, as Brussels had to choose between to leave them at free drift where they can join exactly everything (considering energy-carriers’ prices they could turn back to Russia, gods verboten grief!), or “embrace” them – the more the merrier, kind of.
On the one side, the Turkish people (I mean usual people) would be better of if Turkey would join EU, especially ethnic minorities and women. EU has its demands on the subject, though I doubt that the said demands are frank.
On the other side… what’s the point to join a stillborn body that itself doesn’t know why it exists. To become a second sort member?
I’m sure, Turkey, as any country, would manage on its own. Just because there’s no choice: you either manage on your own or you disappear, as simple as that. And I don’t see any reason why Turkey would disappear, it’s managing on its own for centuries now.
I totally agree..
And one point i want to add is population. Turkiye has a young and growing population of almost 70 million people. It is quite a big number. this is another big obstacle for Turkiye to join the union.
AwesomeChoice: Absolutely favor!!!..........Turkish coffee is my favorite
Welcome Roomi
Welcome Roomi
Actually it is Cypriot coffee!!!!!
markizamkd25: Well ull be my naighbour soon again we will have chalga party
Now that will be nice.I have not been at one for ages
chalga....do you eat it or drink it? 
rodolpho: nothing wrong with eastern europe but we do have to pay the most contribution to the EU. We paid dearly for the euro.IMO I dont need the EU at all.
I would like to have my rocksolid dutch guilder back.I dont wanna be dependent on every other country to keep its budget straight.
I do like open trade but not another meddlin political body wich is the EU more and more.I dont wanna become another america.
so screw the EU I dont want any membership of it.
I would like to have my rocksolid dutch guilder back.I dont wanna be dependent on every other country to keep its budget straight.
I do like open trade but not another meddlin political body wich is the EU more and more.I dont wanna become another america.
so screw the EU I dont want any membership of it.
That's exactly my standing! 100%
cristina: That's exactly my standing! 100%
EU with more power stucks us!
I want to have plenty of alternatives and less powerful people conducting the world!
Free trade, movement is cool, but not more!
markizamkd25: I WANT VISA TO TRAVEL
You can always have visa to travel. What are you talking about? Don't tell me that you are stucked there believing you can't travel? That doesn't exist on earth!
Since the fall of the wall, the opening up of some of the east, the increased availability of travel info and common healthcare this Europe has become more vivid, more live.
It's sad that the old song about money is making it self heard as a reason to slow down opening up the routes again.
Of course it costs money, huge money. What do we get for it? I encourage you that have not yet found out to do so.
And Turkey? It's part of European history. Just because someone drew a line on a map and claimed half was Asia, it has nothing to do with history, it's a geographical feature.
I so dislike the we/them thinking, unfortunately the last treaty on the table contain a lot of that...
If all the "others" are so bad, why am I not converted, robbed and murdered already? And why is it that all the people that I've met, who travelled and lived throughout this world, sounds just like me?
Wake up, for fx sake.
It's sad that the old song about money is making it self heard as a reason to slow down opening up the routes again.
Of course it costs money, huge money. What do we get for it? I encourage you that have not yet found out to do so.
And Turkey? It's part of European history. Just because someone drew a line on a map and claimed half was Asia, it has nothing to do with history, it's a geographical feature.
I so dislike the we/them thinking, unfortunately the last treaty on the table contain a lot of that...
If all the "others" are so bad, why am I not converted, robbed and murdered already? And why is it that all the people that I've met, who travelled and lived throughout this world, sounds just like me?
Wake up, for fx sake.
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In European Union there's the word Europe.....
Where is the bigger part of Turkey ? Not in Europe.
End of the story....
So, you see EU as a geographical organisation?
Do you have any idea where Turkiye and Cyprus are?
All discussions come to a point in the end. The EU can simply not allow any non-christian country as a member. it is mostly about religion!
Turkiye plays a critical role as a laicist republic , which can be a model for many other islamic countries.
Turkiye has a stronger economy than many EU members.
The EU just ignores all benefits it can have letting Turkiye in, this decision can not be rational. It is obviously religous!
And i have never met any single french person who liked turkiye. I can not help wondering where this hatred comes from?
To answer the question: :In my opinion, even being a candidate has made turkiye to complete very important reforms. Being a member will make Turkiye a stronger country. However, being quite sure the EU will never accept Türkiye, I think Türkiye should start looking for other alternatives. China,Russia and some big Asian countries are talking about forming their own union. It will be EU's lost if Turkiye hopefully be a part of another organisation.