alabamabebe: Sorry chickie but the visualization had nothing to do with you. If you read anything other than your own drivel you might have an idea where a couple of us are coming from. But since your thoughts and opinions are the only ones that matter, I don't expect you to get it.
Clue: You're not the center of the universe.
as a hint they are not interested in the topic, just folowing me to remains me they will report me for my post
the center of the universe is she and her friends that i have to flow their orders on what to post and what not to post
i thank you for bringing this thread up, as they warned me they wil report me for posting in any thread that is not in the first page
crotalus_p: If I recall correctly you are Christian yes ?? Well in that case you are either picking and choosing which bits to fallow and which bits not to or your well lets just say you’d be in jail, which would make you a hypocrite am I correct ???
Vote Democratic..... All benefits (that you & I pay for) will be afforded to all. Before you start your damn whining (any of you), try being a senior, in a senior community, with senior hospitals, have heart problems and you cannot get into the ER because some damn illegal is there with their kid and a runny nose using it as their primary care facility. OH, did I forget to mention, they DON"T pay to get seen by a doctor.
HJFinAZ: Vote Democratic..... All benefits (that you & I pay for) will be afforded to all. Before you start your damn whining (any of you), try being a senior, in a senior community, with senior hospitals, have heart problems and you cannot get into the ER because some damn illegal is there with their kid and a runny nose using it as their primary care facility. OH, did I forget to mention, they DON"T pay to get seen by a doctor.
i have not herard you comlaining the american living illegally abroad and doing excactly the same
alex_192: i have not herard you comlaining the american living illegally abroad and doing excactly the same
double standart?
I did not know they were... Honest statement.. Can I do that? Please send detailed info on how to go about it..
Please let it be known, I have no problem with immigrants be here. I do have a problem with the them receiving all the benefits my forefathers and I worked our asses off to get and they pay NOTHING for them..
alex, I don't know of anyone who has gone to another country illegally, but I do know of one who did it LEGALLY. Cost over $30,000 overall, which was PAID. If she couldn't afford it, oh well, would have just had to stay here. Simple as that. Why don't other people get that concept????? As AZ was trying to point out, the ILLEGAL immigrants who STEAL (don't even get me started on the lengthy list of additional, incredibly heinous crimes they also commit) what WE have WORKED to build.
Let them put in a full weeks work, and then have some stranger come and steal their pay. See if they don't get what our gripe is then.
HJFinAZ: Vote Democratic..... All benefits (that you & I pay for) will be afforded to all. Before you start your damn whining (any of you), try being a senior, in a senior community, with senior hospitals, have heart problems and you cannot get into the ER because some damn illegal is there with their kid and a runny nose using it as their primary care facility. OH, did I forget to mention, they DON"T pay to get seen by a doctor.
Got to agree with this the DEMs used to be for the poorer people but now most are wanting to help all and mostly the people who don't even try to help themselves just handouts to everyone without having a real way of paying for it except by raising taxes on all thing more poor people use CIGS. beer, groceries will skyrocket and that .07 tax will be raise alot in order to pay for free everything and they will take away peoples indivdual rights to make it group right they will tell you how to raise your children not to mention the selling of of sovernty mis spelled.. there will be less morals no right and wrong cause it could hurt someone feelings, everything will be gray and acceptable like taking GOD out of everything. the most money I've ever made in a year was 21,000 dollars so I would want someone that would help poorer people in the whitehouse but I don't want handouts give to people who are here illegally or that don't at least make an effort to do for themselves
HJFinAZ: I did not know they were... Honest statement.. Can I do that? Please send detailed info on how to go about it..
Please let it be known, I have no problem with immigrants be here. I do have a problem with the them receiving all the benefits my forefathers and I worked our asses off to get and they pay NOTHING for them..
countries where americans live ilegally?
several south american countries
in the 2006 when it was posted the census of ilegal workers in the states (by profesion) there was also several articles of american living ilegal in mexico
by the way, one of those americans living ilegaly abroad was my own dad, same person that complains about ilegals here
but the sad is, for my dad, every one that is not american born he is ilegal in the states, i am the only exception to his rule
not talking about my dad, but the rest of americans that i know (i know them in person) not only are ilegally living in the country, but they are ilegally working too (the only exception is the diplimatic corp)
what can you do? nothing, just stop the double standart
when people think they can bend the laws and rules then is when the double standar arise when every one is for flowing the rules, then no ilegals in any country
alex, while I agree that there shouldn't be anyone committing this illegal immigration, I do not agree with the reason for it. Greed and laziness are behind it all, IMO
trublu: alex, I don't know of anyone who has gone to another country illegally, but I do know of one who did it LEGALLY. Cost over $30,000 overall, which was PAID. If she couldn't afford it, oh well, would have just had to stay here. Simple as that. Why don't other people get that concept????? As AZ was trying to point out, the ILLEGAL immigrants who STEAL (don't even get me started on the lengthy list of additional, incredibly heinous crimes they also commit) what WE have WORKED to build.
Let them put in a full weeks work, and then have some stranger come and steal their pay. See if they don't get what our gripe is then.
they are not too many ilegal inm,igrants, they are ilegal workers
it is not the same
and they pay taxes too
read about the TIN (tax identification number) it is like the SSN for foreing to pay taxes here
read bout the inmigrations laws and you will undertand better what it is going on
dont blame to the one that comes here legally based on a job offer and later, he became an ilegal worker because eh was scamed by the same goverment that give them the permit to come here
read about the inmigration laws and you will find that any drug smugler, bank rober and terrorist are welcome to the country, and they get their permant residfence faster than any other category (like a nobel prize wantiong to come to the states even they have a job offer)
alex_192: they are not too many ilegal inm,igrants, they are ilegal workers...it is not the same" Uh, close enough for me, I have no interest in playing word games to try to skew the issue. Bottom line, they come here illegally, which makes them criminals. Staying makes them immigrants, and adds to the original crime of sneaking in. NO way around the fact that they never should have stepped foot on US soil in the first place.
"and they pay taxes too" That is a common myth. Perhaps those that can pull of the ID theft well enough to have someone else's SS# to get a job with, which means the person with that number is thought to have earned that income, and is taxed for it. Guess how much they appreciate the bill from the IRS? The rest, work under the table, for family and those who are willing to hire illegally.
"read about the TIN (tax identification number) it is like the SSN for foreing to pay taxes here" And you can read all the scams used to get around paying ANYTHING TO ANYONE, except what they pocket themselves and what they send back to their home countries. Sorry, but they do NOT pay in anything close to what some try to make it look. Check out the REAL facts and numbers, not those that are skewed like the numbers on rehab centers when they try to pump people for more donations.
"read bout the inmigrations laws and you will undertand better what it is going on" Don't have to, already did, and saw that this country bends over backwards to accommodate scum wayyyyyy too much. Yeah, not breaks from me on this one. If they can't comply with the laws, tough! If I can't afford the insurance I don't drive. Same deal.
"dont blame to the one that comes here legally based on a job offer and later, he became an ilegal worker because eh was scamed by the same goverment that give them the permit to come here" I DO BLAME THEM FOR NOT GOING BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM. Prove a job was offered, and that they did what they were supposed to, then have that company pay for the ticket back. Would be willing to bet that the courts would find in favor of the worker just to get rid of them.
"read about the inmigration laws and you will find that any drug smugler, bank rober and terrorist are welcome to the country, and they get their permant residfence faster than any other category (like a nobel prize wantiong to come to the states even they have a job offer)
" The simple fact that our border patrols are not allowed to even carry guns, much less open fire on anyone coming across the border, is all I need to know. That alone tells me our laws are skewed in favor of the scum.
But, as just one more reason why I would prefer that they be held back at the border... AIDS among Latinos on the rise
trublu: " The simple fact that our border patrols are not allowed to even carry guns, much less open fire on anyone coming across the border, is all I need to know. That alone tells me our laws are skewed in favor of the scum.
But, as just one more reason why I would prefer that they be held back at the border... AIDS among Latinos on the rise
Alex, what you sent me was a pack of lame excuses for these criminals. Sorry, but your attempts at playing word games to find some kind of justification carry absolutely no weight.
or do you dounbt the veracity of the IRS in the topic?
from wikipedia
A Tax Identification Number or TIN is an identifying number used for tax purposes in the United States. It may be assigned by the Social Security Administration or by the IRS (Internal Revenue Service.)
good luck in your reading be informed before you post about some topics your personal believes are not above the law
althught i agree no one shuld do any illegal activity, the aliens not paying taxes are as ilegal as the american not paying taxes
but aliens have to pay taxes in the states, whether they live in the states or not
trublu: Alex, what you sent me was a pack of lame excuses for these criminals. Sorry, but your attempts at playing word games to find some kind of justification carry absolutely no weight.
what i send you was personal information that i dont p[ost in the forums
do yu want to check the original documents that prouves all what i said in the mail?
in the meantime it would be better you read the laws in the official sites of the IRS, and if you like the inmigration site too
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