14 Points of fascism: The warning signs pt1 ( Archived) (105)

May 12, 2009 3:22 PM CST 14 Points of fascism: The warning signs pt1
BebeII
BebeIIBebeIIConcordville, Pennsylvania USA23 Threads 1,965 Posts
ooby_dooby: 14 Points of fascism: The warning signs pt29.) Corporate Power is Protected: The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10.) Labor Power is Suppressed: Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11.) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts: Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

12.) Obsession with Crime and Punishment: Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations

13.) Rampant Cronyism and Corruption: Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections: Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

You can read all the supporting documents right here.



Wake up America, we're losing our country.
rolling on the floor laughing
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May 12, 2009 3:27 PM CST 14 Points of fascism: The warning signs pt1
BebeII
BebeIIBebeIIConcordville, Pennsylvania USA23 Threads 1,965 Posts
hollandgirl: I am a firm believer to give drugs free!
The cops make a big deal out of having made a
big haul.
Ha, the percentage they find is a laugh.
They have admited they lost That war a long time ago.
So much crime would be prevented but also a lot of
cops would lose their jobs. ha ha, THAT is it!
Politics!

Drugs attraction is because it is against the law.
Would more people use it when free?
For awhile perhaps.
Drugs attract for many reasons-profit, fun, and fitting in. I think the police have plenty of other work to do.
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May 12, 2009 3:30 PM CST 14 Points of fascism: The warning signs pt1
BebeII
BebeIIBebeIIConcordville, Pennsylvania USA23 Threads 1,965 Posts
jbibiza: But the money saved in the so called war on drugs, the reduction of violent crime in order to fund a drug users habit etc. more then pays for the free drugs.
Free for whom? They certainly wouldn't be handed out for free-someone has to make and/or grow them. Legalizing them would result in a large drop in profit and regulation by the state which would reduce the number of those willing to sell them. We'd end up with corporate pot and ecstasy farms.
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May 12, 2009 3:41 PM CST 14 Points of fascism: The warning signs pt1
BebeII
BebeIIBebeIIConcordville, Pennsylvania USA23 Threads 1,965 Posts
ooby_dooby: So, by that one must conclude that you advocate torturing POW's!
If that's true, you obviously know nothing about torture.
Is this what you want our POW's to go through? Would you want our men and women in uniform to be treated like this?

Torturing a prisoner will not get you the information you need it will only get what you want to hear. Under torture a person will say anything to save his life, confess to anything even though he may be totally innocent. How many people have been found to be innocent of crimes they were convicted of by forced confessions and have been released from prison? And, were paid large sums of money in compensation for being railroaded? Or worse, how many innocent people have been executed based on forced confessions? This troubles me a great deal because if it can happen to anybody, it can happen to me, and it can happen to you as well!

BTW, going off topic for a minute, it's amazing how many people who've posted in this thread are not here anymore.
That's the standard meme, but not factually correct or KSM wouldn't have given us information.
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May 12, 2009 3:43 PM CST 14 Points of fascism: The warning signs pt1
BebeII: uh oh
Looks like you have met the "Grand Wizard" of CS!He lost his Hood though!laugh
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May 12, 2009 3:46 PM CST 14 Points of fascism: The warning signs pt1
BebeII
BebeIIBebeIIConcordville, Pennsylvania USA23 Threads 1,965 Posts
trish123: The reaction of the police in the riots recently in London are just a precursor of how things will go if changes arent implemented - the masses are getting restless but the authorities are arming themselves in an unprecedented manner, they didnt bring out their new tazer weapons this time but it will happen - all this after they have affectively disarmed the populace too, they have even had a massive crackdown on people owning certain kinds of dogs, make of that what you will.

There are many ways of dispersing crowds, those white noise makers (cant remember the names) are pretty effective but ways are being found round this - i say why fight them at all, it is a slower process but i say that bringing up our children to fight them in the very seats of politics will have a much more lasting effect and this has already been going on since the sixties and long before that. Bringing up our children to teach effectively, to respect the planet and all her peoples - the changes we need to see must come from within those institutions of power, they cannot be overthrown but they can be melded into organisations which work in favour of the many rather than the few......... as has been the case for time infinitum - those people with minds that hate are very, very sad and deluded.........
That's exactly the way the marxists infiltrated your government.
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May 12, 2009 3:47 PM CST 14 Points of fascism: The warning signs pt1
BebeII
BebeIIBebeIIConcordville, Pennsylvania USA23 Threads 1,965 Posts
Conrad73: Looks like you have met the "Grand Wizard" of CS!He lost his Hood though!
Or his Fez....laugh
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May 12, 2009 3:50 PM CST 14 Points of fascism: The warning signs pt1
BebeII: Or his Fez....
I was thinking more of a Bedsheet-Hood!rolling on the floor laughing
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May 12, 2009 3:52 PM CST 14 Points of fascism: The warning signs pt1
BebeII
BebeIIBebeIIConcordville, Pennsylvania USA23 Threads 1,965 Posts
Conrad73: I was thinking more of a Bedsheet-Hood!
party hat
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May 12, 2009 3:54 PM CST 14 Points of fascism: The warning signs pt1
BebeII
BebeIIBebeIIConcordville, Pennsylvania USA23 Threads 1,965 Posts
walkenstick: I personally have never used an illicit drug and never intend to! I don't even use alcohol or tobacco.
However, you would think we had learned something from Prohibition, but I reckon not!

During Prohibition there were more alcoholics percentage wise than there ever were before or after!

It gave birth to organized crime, oh yeah there was organized crime but it was such a small deal that it really wasn't a problem. With Prohibition we gave them a real money maker!

Now we have drugs they have made even more money with that. We have spent trillions trying to stamp it out, but we have not even put a dent in the trade. You can buy most anything you want on the street corner in most every town in the USA.

With Prohibition we should have learned that you CAN'T LEGISLATE MORALITY! People are gonna do what they are gonna do especially as long as they see drug use as a victimless crime. We all know it isn't, cause the addicts must get the money somewhere to pay the dealers, so they rob and steal from the rest of us!
Since we apparently can't stop it, or are unwilling to take the steps necessary to do this...then we should legalize them and have the government sell them at a bargain price that would put the dealers out of business!
If the government were selling the drugs then the strength of dosages could be standardized, rather than cut 40% by this group and 10% by that group, or 90% by another group so that the addicts kill themselves not knowing what the strength of their drugs are.

Then we could use the billions that we spend each year on trying to stop the drug problem to improve the standard of living for all, and maybe even pay off this huge national debt we have!

Not what I would prefer, but since we are unwilling to do what is really needed to stop this scourge, then it seems the only option left!
I have heard though that fewer people died from DUI though. 6 of one, half-dozen of the other.
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May 12, 2009 3:56 PM CST 14 Points of fascism: The warning signs pt1
BebeII
BebeIIBebeIIConcordville, Pennsylvania USA23 Threads 1,965 Posts
ooby_dooby: Somewhat off topic but I couldn't agree with you more, in fact you saved me a lot of typing.
I would like to add to your post that law enforcement agencies around the country should spend the next few years stockpiling all the controlled substances and illegal drugs they sieze in drug raids and warehouse it in a totally safe location(s) instead of incinerating it, and use it as inventory for prescription distribution to people addicted to these substances. These people could be placed in a 12 step program of withdrawal to rid them of the addiction or at least make it manageable. Think of the savings in the cost of incarceration, the 1000's of able bodied men & women in prison on drug charges, added to the workforce, the savings in police payrolls due to the drop in crimes related to drug use. It would end the drug wars in Mexico and remove a major chunk of funding from the Taliban. We could even buy the entire crop of raw morphine base that is grown in Afganistan as some in government have suggested already it would be 1000X cheaper than letting it come through the black market as it does now. Drug companies already ARE buying morphine from the countries that produce it so what's the big deal?
In this country only about 20% of addicts are ever "cured". That info comes from a friend who works as a D/A counselor.
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May 12, 2009 5:12 PM CST 14 Points of fascism: The warning signs pt1
BebeII: In this country only about 20% of addicts are ever "cured". That info comes from a friend who works as a D/A counselor.
Actually even less,and there is no Cure,except total Abstinence.
Can't make a Pickle back into a Cucumber!laugh
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May 12, 2009 8:08 PM CST 14 Points of fascism: The warning signs pt1
NeWildflower
NeWildflowerNeWildflowerScottsbluff, Nebraska USA15 Threads 2 Polls 754 Posts
Conrad73: Actually even less,and there is no Cure,except total Abstinence.
Can't make a Pickle back into a Cucumber!


Even total abstinence isn't a cure.
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May 12, 2009 10:07 PM CST 14 Points of fascism: The warning signs pt1
BebeII
BebeIIBebeIIConcordville, Pennsylvania USA23 Threads 1,965 Posts
Conrad73: Actually even less,and there is no Cure,except total Abstinence.
Can't make a Pickle back into a Cucumber!
Exactly, which is why I despise those who think it's O.K. to make light of drug use-I've seen too many go downhill.very mad
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May 12, 2009 10:32 PM CST 14 Points of fascism: The warning signs pt1
jlw45
jlw45jlw45Moyers, Oklahoma USA66 Threads 1 Polls 15,566 Posts
i just heard that, somewhere in the northeast, police can place a GPS reciever on your car without a warrent....people should be irrate over that...
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May 12, 2009 10:36 PM CST 14 Points of fascism: The warning signs pt1
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA609 Threads 1 Polls 9,196 Posts
jlw45: i just heard that, somewhere in the northeast, police can place a GPS reciever on your car without a warrent....people should be irrate over that...


I would be furious joel. Talk about a serious invasion of privacy. But then, they can triangulate on your cell's SIM card, on or off, so, its just a matter of degree.
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May 12, 2009 10:46 PM CST 14 Points of fascism: The warning signs pt1
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA609 Threads 1 Polls 9,196 Posts
jlw45: i just heard that, somewhere in the northeast, police can place a GPS reciever on your car without a warrent....people should be irrate over that...


Nope that case got over-ruled in appellate court.

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May 12, 2009 10:51 PM CST 14 Points of fascism: The warning signs pt1
jlw45
jlw45jlw45Moyers, Oklahoma USA66 Threads 1 Polls 15,566 Posts
Galactic_bodhi: I would be furious joel. Talk about a serious invasion of privacy. But then, they can triangulate on your cell's SIM card, on or off, so, its just a matter of degree.
i hear ya...but than again, as i read your response ,i was thinking...they have GPS recievers in cell phones, don't they ?...they don't really have triangulate to know where you are...but your right, there are all sorts of other things...but we should still be pissed about those things...mumbling ...laugh dunno laugh

cheers
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May 12, 2009 10:52 PM CST 14 Points of fascism: The warning signs pt1
jlw45
jlw45jlw45Moyers, Oklahoma USA66 Threads 1 Polls 15,566 Posts
Galactic_bodhi: Nope that case got over-ruled in appellate court.

head banger it's a good thing....but who knows how long till it passes ?...that's the question...the way things have been going as of late...
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May 12, 2009 10:52 PM CST 14 Points of fascism: The warning signs pt1
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA609 Threads 1 Polls 9,196 Posts
jlw45: i hear ya...but than again, as i read your response ,i was thinking...they have GPS recievers in cell phones, don't they ?...they don't really have triangulate to know where you are...but your right, there are all sorts of other things...but we should still be pissed about those things... ...


It depends on the fone I guess. They'd have to triangulate with me because I have (or rather had) the cheapest tracphone I could get.
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