For cro... (187)
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Hi ginger...
...I'm only allowed 4000charc...so I can't requote you sorry...It all depends on your soure of the origin of words...
According to the Dictionary of Word Origins by John Ayto, the original meaning of the English word "evil" has changed considerably over the last few hundred years. Not surprising. It seems theologians have had considerable influence upon shaping words to cause us to see according to their doctrines rather than what is plainly written.
It all boils down to what people believe...
My understanding of these threads either started by or added to by cro is he is very quick to critise people who believe in any religion and tell them they are wrong...
And I see nothing wrong with anyone going to their place of worship and believing in their diety..As long as they (the worshiper) stays with in the 'norm' of society...
Which is why i said repeatly to use the words right/wrong and not good/evil...And that way there can be no disputing, what he (cro) is trying to say...
And anytime cro is asked a direct question he either avoides answersing it or answers it with another question....simple maths state that 'a neg + pos=neg, while pos + pos =pos..,(i didn't forget about a double negative but thats positive)...
In other words it's easier to get a positive out come to a question (maybe not the response that you want), if you answer the question that was asked..
ie...by saying 'I think religion is evil because' opens up a can of worms...While saying 'I think religion is wrong because...' doesn't quite sound the same....
Pour toi
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phoenix:
And anytime cro is asked a direct question he either avoides answersing it or answers it with another question....
And anytime cro is asked a direct question he either avoides answersing it or answers it with another question....
No that’s just one q you asked which has no relevance
phoenix: ie...by saying 'I think religion is evil because' opens up a can of worms...While saying 'I think religion is wrong because...' doesn't quite sound the same....
I have said it both way's
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phoenix:
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In other words it's easier to get a positive out come to a question (maybe not the response that you want), if you answer the question that was asked..
ie...by saying 'I think religion is evil because' opens up a can of worms...While saying 'I think religion is wrong because...' doesn't quite sound the same....
Pour toi
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In other words it's easier to get a positive out come to a question (maybe not the response that you want), if you answer the question that was asked..
ie...by saying 'I think religion is evil because' opens up a can of worms...While saying 'I think religion is wrong because...' doesn't quite sound the same....
Pour toi
I understand and agree with most of what you are saying here.
What I am seeing though is something different. Crotalus is feeding his need to feel good by dint of arguement. He has no intention of satisfying you by answering your questions because then he might appear vulnerable and leave his beliefs open to question.
We know he has limited capacity to answer any of the questions that you or others put to him, because none of us know everything, and science is a long way from answering his or anyone's questions.
Proper use of language is very important when formulating answers and when asking questions, but some people are limited in this capacity, especially when not appearing to want to budge on their own particular dogma, because their minds are not yet open to the possibility of all things being possible.........
Like you I don't care what beliefs anyone has. They are all valid.
Hope that made some kind of sense to you.
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gingerb: What I am seeing though is something different. Crotalus is feeding his need to feel good by dint of arguement. He has no intention of satisfying you by answering your questions because then he might appear vulnerable and leave his beliefs open to question.
Wrong ,I just don’t care to answer a question on the grounds that it is relevant and he already knows the answer to it so what’s the point other than allowing him to work off an assumption that I can guarantee is wrong ???------ This thread is Locked ------
I have heard tell that:
Judgment destroys honesty and shatters trust
No teacher can judge and hope to learn.
Judgment destroys honesty and shatters trust
No teacher can judge and hope to learn.
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crotalus_p: Wrong ,I just don’t care to answer a question on the grounds that it is relevant and he already knows the answer to it so what’s the point other than allowing him to work off an assumption that I can guarantee is wrong ???
All questions are relevant, as are all answers. How you were raised colours your present belief system. That stands to reason. Prejudices one way or the other lead us to our particular set of beliefs no matter who we are, (scientifically proven by the way), and colour how we see things. That is one of the reasons we all see things differently, even if that is only shades of difference.
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Dusty45: I have heard tell that:
Judgment destroys honesty and shatters trust
No teacher can judge and hope to learn.
Judgment destroys honesty and shatters trust
No teacher can judge and hope to learn.
True and if we stop learning, our minds close. And a closed mind is never going to gain any wisdom.
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Dusty45: I have heard tell that:
Judgment destroys honesty and shatters trust
No teacher can judge and hope to learn.
Judgment destroys honesty and shatters trust
No teacher can judge and hope to learn.
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gingerb: All questions are relevant, as are all answers. How you were raised colours your present belief system. That stands to reason. Prejudices one way or the other lead us to our particular set of beliefs no matter who we are, (scientifically proven by the way), and colour how we see things. That is one of the reasons we all see things differently, even if that is only shades of difference.
Not all q's are relevant , as he is well aware there is hardly any schools in Ireland that are not associated with some form of religion , as for my schooling experience I made my stance clear and was left alone sorry to disappoint you p I was not forced to participate in any religious activities while in attendance at the cbs
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crotalus_p: Not all q's are relevant , as he is well aware there is hardly any schools in Ireland that are not associated with some form of religion , as for my schooling experience I made my stance clear and was left alone sorry to disappoint you p I was not forced to participate in any religious activities while in attendance at the cbs
All questions are relevant in that when a person asks one, they quite obviously need to hear an answer. People usually do this in order to form new opinions, or enhance ongoing opinions that they may alread have, or gain new insights or knowledge.
It's the reason you ask so many questions isn't it?
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the English word "evil" has changed considerably over the last few hundred years..........it had to, or all politician's would be in jail.
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Fallingman: This thread is a real eye-opener!!
I have to applaud some of the "religious" contributors for their fair-mindedness in this particular debate in the light of some of the outrageous abusive things said.
Cherokee....I mean you.
Tk u I just did what was right.Believe me when I say before I was a christian,I had an explosive temper and would have been thrown off here long before now.LOl I see she apologized ,which is good, but once u lose peoples faith in u its lost.I have to applaud some of the "religious" contributors for their fair-mindedness in this particular debate in the light of some of the outrageous abusive things said.
Cherokee....I mean you.
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stevenmature: wtf is up with everyone?
Why this hatred?
simmer for the love of God!
blah blah blah
Well ur back Steve.I am glad accused of being mean to u in the thread peace.If I said anything that u took as mean I am sorry because it wasnt meant that way.I couldnt find the thread.I dont know if its been deleted or not.There was no hated on my part in this thread,sorry if it looked that way.Why this hatred?
simmer for the love of God!
blah blah blah
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phoenix: If you dislike religions so much why do you waste so much off your time talking about it???
I cant answer for Crotalus but for myself, as a fellow Atheist, it has been a lifelong path to question religion - are you implying that only people who agree with religion are allowed to discuss it?
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trish123: I cant answer for Crotalus but for myself, as a fellow Atheist, it has been a lifelong path to question religion - are you implying that only people who agree with religion are allowed to discuss it?
Hi Trish
It might appear to some people a bit odd that some athiests spend more time discussing religions, than religious people do discussing athiesm.
Just my observation, but Christians generally, would appear to me to more often discuss the commonalities on their faith than get together and start singling out people of other faiths or no faith to have a go at.
I do notice people doing a lot of defending here though...
Don't you think it would be nice not to have to defend every last important belief we have, but rather, when asked, explain it in light of our own experiences and then let that explaination be enough?
It is my experience too that people, when hounded to defend, come out with hackles raised, so no real discussion is possible........
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cherokeemoon2: Well ur back Steve.I am glad accused of being mean to u in the thread peace.If I said anything that u took as mean I am sorry because it wasnt meant that way.I couldnt find the thread.I dont know if its been deleted or not.There was no hated on my part in this thread,sorry if it looked that way.
I am not really back, just saw this post and it seemed a few people were all up high on their horse so I spoke out. I get emails from people pointing me to threads so I found this one.
No, you did nothing wrong. Actually no one really did. Everyone has opinions of what happened. Check out the movie Rashoman (spelling) sometime - it is really good.
This thread however in some regards reminds me of highschool. Those who say they are all innocent, have a look again at what you have said...
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trish123: I cant answer for Crotalus but for myself, as a fellow Atheist, it has been a lifelong path to question religion - are you implying that only people who agree with religion are allowed to discuss it?
Not one bit sweet cheeks
...I fully understand and accept you are an atheist and you put your points of view across clearly....And I take them on board. I myself have problems with the catholic church. But I don't think that people who follow one religion or another are wrong..or out to do 'evil'. I know many good catholic priests, who follow thier beliefs in accordance to their religion.
My problem with cro is when someone asks him a question he either avoides giving a straight answer or takes the moral high ground..
Between the two of us I don't really care what people believe in as long as it's in the 'bounds of the norm'...and nobody gets hurt in the process.
I like yourself can't answer for anyone but myself...On the UK forum there is a thread about who was the best comic...I reckon Dave Allen is hard to beat...And he use to finish his shows with the words...
'Good-night, thank you for listening and may YOUR GOD go with you' ....not my god or his god or that god....
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stevenmature: I am not really back, just saw this post and it seemed a few people were all up high on their horse so I spoke out. I get emails from people pointing me to threads so I found this one.
No, you did nothing wrong. Actually no one really did. Everyone has opinions of what happened. Check out the movie Rashoman (spelling) sometime - it is really good.
This thread however in some regards reminds me of highschool. Those who say they are all innocent, have a look again at what you have said...
Tk u actually I didnt know what was going on, I was just trying to get u not to leave.And when La did her last reply I didnt want to get in the middle of two people if that was the case.So I just quit posting.But tk u anyway.Yes most of these kinds of threads when everyone starts to argue is childish or becomes childish before its over.But I have some friends on this thread.And didnt think I was out of line in saying what I did, because.Holland is suppose to be what i am suppose to be.And I dont think that is the right behaviour of a christian. We did email each other but I dont know how she feels,But I have nothing against her personally. No, you did nothing wrong. Actually no one really did. Everyone has opinions of what happened. Check out the movie Rashoman (spelling) sometime - it is really good.
This thread however in some regards reminds me of highschool. Those who say they are all innocent, have a look again at what you have said...
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phoenix: Not one bit sweet cheeks ...
I fully understand and accept you are an atheist and you put your points of view across clearly....And I take them on board. I myself have problems with the catholic church. But I don't think that people who follow one religion or another are wrong..or out to do 'evil'. I know many good catholic priests, who follow thier beliefs in accordance to their religion.
My problem with cro is when someone asks him a question he either avoides giving a straight answer or takes the moral high ground..
Between the two of us I don't really care what people believe in as long as it's in the 'bounds of the norm'...and nobody gets hurt in the process.
I like yourself can't answer for anyone but myself...On the UK forum there is a thread about who was the best comic...I reckon Dave Allen is hard to beat...And he use to finish his shows with the words...
'Good-night, thank you for listening and may YOUR GOD go with you' ....not my god or his god or that god....
GoodnightI fully understand and accept you are an atheist and you put your points of view across clearly....And I take them on board. I myself have problems with the catholic church. But I don't think that people who follow one religion or another are wrong..or out to do 'evil'. I know many good catholic priests, who follow thier beliefs in accordance to their religion.
My problem with cro is when someone asks him a question he either avoides giving a straight answer or takes the moral high ground..
Between the two of us I don't really care what people believe in as long as it's in the 'bounds of the norm'...and nobody gets hurt in the process.
I like yourself can't answer for anyone but myself...On the UK forum there is a thread about who was the best comic...I reckon Dave Allen is hard to beat...And he use to finish his shows with the words...
'Good-night, thank you for listening and may YOUR GOD go with you' ....not my god or his god or that god....
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