Should Ireland pull out of the EU after what Sarkozy remarks? (35)
Did't hear the full extent of wht Sarkozi said. But I think pulling out of the EU would be detrimental to the future of the state.
Can we pull out ??
I'm sure after all the grants that we took there must be some penalty for pulling out
I'm sure after all the grants that we took there must be some penalty for pulling outIn response to: Can we pull out ?? I'm sure after all the grants that we took there must be some penalty for pulling out
Had the treaty passed their was for the first time (i thinnk) a statment in it that said any country can leave at anytime. At the moment i dont think there is a mechanism to get out (as always open to corrections)
The penalty for pulling out is probably trade tariffs to countries within the EU the loss of grants and the EU giving us a bolliking and of course the country going back 30 years.
will be watching the posts on this one, interesting.
mike_irish: We voted NO to the Lisbon Treaty
BUT
French President Nicolas Sarkozy said we need to vote on another referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.
IRELAND SAID NO
How come a french man can tell us what to do....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-eighth_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland_Bill%2C_2008
Twenty-eighth Amendment of the Constitution Bill, 2008
BUT
French President Nicolas Sarkozy said we need to vote on another referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.
IRELAND SAID NO
How come a french man can tell us what to do....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-eighth_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland_Bill%2C_2008
Twenty-eighth Amendment of the Constitution Bill, 2008
The Irish people should pull out of the EU, we are quite capable of running our country our selves. Simply, give the land back to the Irish people and let us grow our own food. Since joining the EEC our society has gone down hill rapidly and has disintegrated our heritage and communities. Village post offices have been closed down all to suit the EU and the politicians who apparently run this country. The list goes on.
For EU politicians to say we have to vote again is saying we do not have a choice we have to accept. The leading political party in Ireland arrogantly thought that the Irish people would say yes. You can tell by the way they handled their campaign to promote the 'Lisbon Treaty'. I was always asked to read any agreement before I signed any contract so I could understand what was actually in it. We are being asked to sign with out knowing what the treaty contains and seeing as the European politicians do not understand it them selves I will not accept the 'Lisbon Treaty' until I fully understand what I am signing.
In response to: The Irish people should pull out of the EU, we are quite capable of running our country our selves. Simply, give the land back to the Irish people and let us grow our own food
You cannot be serious
It must be a joke .... Im just cannot believe someone would think that...you are joking right ???
No- i think they should stay in the EU- too many benefits, as long as 'we' don't allow anyone else to tell us how to vote
We do run our own country, we have control over our police, judicary system, defense forces, tourism, Taxes, sports, elections, European Elections, and referendum voting etc..!
My problem is with you self suffient statement worthy of Dev's attempt during the 50s your bold statment of moving back to an agricultuaral society from an industrial one and pulling out of the EU. You only have to look at how the country was run until we joined the EU to see just how crazy it is.
But if you have a plan or some resoning behind your statment id love to hear it!
My problem is with you self suffient statement worthy of Dev's attempt during the 50s your bold statment of moving back to an agricultuaral society from an industrial one and pulling out of the EU. You only have to look at how the country was run until we joined the EU to see just how crazy it is.
But if you have a plan or some resoning behind your statment id love to hear it!
"Would you really sign a contract without knowing what was in it?"
I assume your taling about Lisbon....I did know what was in it i read the white paper and the consolodated version and was quiet happy with it. I thought i was a very good deal.
Thats why i said yes.
I assume your taling about Lisbon....I did know what was in it i read the white paper and the consolodated version and was quiet happy with it. I thought i was a very good deal.
Thats why i said yes.
Please can you tell me exactly what is in the treaty. It has been reported that it is too difficult to understand. It was stated about the Mastrict (not sure how it's spelt but you know what I mean) that it it would take about 40 to 50 lawyers about 3 years to decipher it. We have continued on now to the Lisbon treaty which politicians in Europe have stated it's too difficult to understand. How on earth are they going to implement it if no one s knows what sin it. So far you are the first person to state they know.
You got that wrong, we do not control our country, the government do and you have absolutely no say in what they do.
The very reason we have been in such a state is because of out side interference from other countries.
The so called 'Irish constitution' was written by a foreigner, a Cuban, pass in Westminster before it was put to the Irish people.
The very reason we have been in such a state is because of out side interference from other countries.
The so called 'Irish constitution' was written by a foreigner, a Cuban, pass in Westminster before it was put to the Irish people.
If you can dig up the old Lisbon treaty threads that have been posted here a while back during the Referendum you will find an abundance of easy to read information that myself (yes camp) and PatrickThomas (no camp) Debated about and we each posted links and our own personal view on the matters at hand.
Its not that hard to understand because both parties during the referendum highlighted and debated the main issuses. The reason Most politicians didnt understand it is because most politicians arent lawers and there is alot of technical mumbo jumbo but it as since been brought down to an easy to read level that you should find if you look through the threads. But be warned although it is easy to read there is alot of eeerrrmmm reading to do. I spent the best part of a month looking through the damn thing
Its not that hard to understand because both parties during the referendum highlighted and debated the main issuses. The reason Most politicians didnt understand it is because most politicians arent lawers and there is alot of technical mumbo jumbo but it as since been brought down to an easy to read level that you should find if you look through the threads. But be warned although it is easy to read there is alot of eeerrrmmm reading to do. I spent the best part of a month looking through the damn thing
Well what do you want to say to the government ? What do you feel they control about your life ? You have no say in what ? The running of the country ? What do you want to change ?
Never knew a Cuban wrote our constitution ! Source if you have one please id love to read about it.
Never knew a Cuban wrote our constitution ! Source if you have one please id love to read about it.
Well you have to hunt the information for yourself if you want to make a truely informed decsion. The information might have been on a Deating site but it was sourced from else where and becides the chat forums is a social network for talking to people about whatever be it love life or loss or even current affairs so i dont think it that unusual.
Well if a treaty was sent to every house it would be used for kindling in most places lol but we were sent out the main yes and no arguments and i remember seeing yes and no conferences advertised and held around town during the referendum. But naturally the stuff that come through your door is biased to the relative argument thats why you use your own head take it on board and hunt down the rest yourself. Wikipedia i found was a great help in this.
Personally i would have loved a treaty through the door and plenty of time to read it. But its just the kinda stuff im interested in so id make an effort to go through it as best i could.
Well if a treaty was sent to every house it would be used for kindling in most places lol but we were sent out the main yes and no arguments and i remember seeing yes and no conferences advertised and held around town during the referendum. But naturally the stuff that come through your door is biased to the relative argument thats why you use your own head take it on board and hunt down the rest yourself. Wikipedia i found was a great help in this.
Personally i would have loved a treaty through the door and plenty of time to read it. But its just the kinda stuff im interested in so id make an effort to go through it as best i could.
The first thing I would say to the government would be to re-unite the island. No chance.
The second is to share the wealth of the country with it's people who with out them they would not make so much money in taxes. No chance
It's not that i feel the government control my life, they control everyones lives in Ireland. We simply do as we are told.
I would love to change the health system which I have to say is just about third world standards. Now one of the wealthiest countries in Europe this is unacceptable.
I would love to change the education system so children can express who and what they are and what they want to be. The education system as it stands only prospers those who have the skills and ability in the area of what they teach academically. It is an unfair system. Children who do not make Junior or leaving are left to their own devices. Each child is unique and should be fostered to meet their talents and abilities, not what the department of education has set as the norm.
I would also change the 2 tier law system that is also in place. There should only be one law for everyone. If politicians are corrupt they should be brought before the courts like every one else who breaks the law. But no, they have their own system with dealing with corruption. No chance of changing that.
Would the government listen? Some how I do not think so.
If I want to change anything in Ireland I have to get thousands of signatures to produce to the politicians and then they may or may not act. If we accept the Lisbon treaty you will now need millions of signatures and again only if they want to act on it. What chance have I of changing anything? None, why? the status quo remains the same.
As for Mr dev you can google to see if you can find anything.
The second is to share the wealth of the country with it's people who with out them they would not make so much money in taxes. No chance
It's not that i feel the government control my life, they control everyones lives in Ireland. We simply do as we are told.
I would love to change the health system which I have to say is just about third world standards. Now one of the wealthiest countries in Europe this is unacceptable.
I would love to change the education system so children can express who and what they are and what they want to be. The education system as it stands only prospers those who have the skills and ability in the area of what they teach academically. It is an unfair system. Children who do not make Junior or leaving are left to their own devices. Each child is unique and should be fostered to meet their talents and abilities, not what the department of education has set as the norm.
I would also change the 2 tier law system that is also in place. There should only be one law for everyone. If politicians are corrupt they should be brought before the courts like every one else who breaks the law. But no, they have their own system with dealing with corruption. No chance of changing that.
Would the government listen? Some how I do not think so.
If I want to change anything in Ireland I have to get thousands of signatures to produce to the politicians and then they may or may not act. If we accept the Lisbon treaty you will now need millions of signatures and again only if they want to act on it. What chance have I of changing anything? None, why? the status quo remains the same.
As for Mr dev you can google to see if you can find anything.
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BUT
French President Nicolas Sarkozy said we need to vote on another referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.
IRELAND SAID NO
How come a french man can tell us what to do....
Twenty-eighth Amendment of the Constitution Bill, 2008