Obama Intent on Keeping His Word - Again (125)
gypsykisses: They started burning President Obama's picture before he became president. They haven't stopped burning our flag. There is no "control". Of course, when we leave, I'm quite sure we will be blamed for the "backlash" ... I'm also certain that not much will be mentioned on the billions of dollars spent over there to help rebuild them-coming from the US. The whole thing was an idiotic, greed driven venture. It needs to be stopped. While you may think that in these dust-ups the "bombees" may suffer some inconveniences, the exercises do provide a more entertaining evening news show for those of us in the USofA. Still, there is another rather important third feature of these modern "police actions" – a lot of money can be made. But to reap these large financial rewards, a close relationship between the defense contractor and the politicians (what Eisenhower called the "military/industrial complex") is required. Typically, modern wars are followed by occupation and the repairing of the damage from the "contingency" (military/government code word for military intervention, usually not an emergency). Companies like Brown & Root Inc. (B&R) are hired to go in and build and/or repair bases, bridges, utilities, roads, airports, etc. Now in a rational world, you would think that the country that just got whupped would be the one to pay for all this. Not so, the good old American Taxpayer voluntarily (income tax is voluntary, didn't you know) contributes the funds to pay these contractors.
I appreciate your views and ideas...
The media in the US is telling the general public what they want to...
Knowing troops on the ground out there and the stories they tell it is a very different picture than what is being potrayed in the USA and there is a great deal of trash going on at the moment with the Iraq elections...moral amongst some is very low....
One line I received in an email may make you think...
We are doing a good job here and I get so p----d off that no one appreciates it, nobody cares especially the people back home they don't give a s...t.... This was from a US serving soldier...
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gypsykisses: always... starting to wonder what snow does to your body...
It is snowing here at a rate of 2 inches per hour and it isn't expected to stop for the next 7 hours "lake effect snow"....
I'm off to bed..will try to dream of sweet hot Vinny instead of the yucky snow... have a beautiful day handsome.
It is snowing here at a rate of 2 inches per hour and it isn't expected to stop for the next 7 hours "lake effect snow"....
I'm off to bed..will try to dream of sweet hot Vinny instead of the yucky snow... have a beautiful day handsome.
Sleep well Gorgeous............
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Tamarin: I appreciate your views and ideas...
The media in the US is telling the general public what they want to...
Knowing troops on the ground out there and the stories they tell it is a very different picture than what is being potrayed in the USA and there is a great deal of trash going on at the moment with the Iraq elections...moral amongst some is very low....
One line I received in an email may make you think...
We are doing a good job here and I get so p----d off that no one appreciates it, nobody cares especially the people back home they don't give a s...t.... This was from a US serving soldier...
The media in the US is telling the general public what they want to...
Knowing troops on the ground out there and the stories they tell it is a very different picture than what is being potrayed in the USA and there is a great deal of trash going on at the moment with the Iraq elections...moral amongst some is very low....
One line I received in an email may make you think...
We are doing a good job here and I get so p----d off that no one appreciates it, nobody cares especially the people back home they don't give a s...t.... This was from a US serving soldier...
No, it doesn't make me "think" nor does it surprise me. That's a soldier's mentality. They are owned and trained by the government and do what they are assigned to do. If they didn't believe in their government's cause, they would come back in a body bag. I remember how the soldiers were treated when they came back from Vietnam. Broken, missing limbs, downtrodden--not to a heroes welcome, just to a bunch of cameras. I doubt many have anything against the soldiers. We support our troops---but not the war. There is such a thing. I would be interested to know if that soldier was republican or democrat.
We care about our troops--may be hard for you to understand, but they have no business being there.
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vinny1967: Sleep well Gorgeous............
thank you
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gypsykisses: Starting it was absurd..continuing it would be asinine. There will never be political stability in the Middle East. We "infiltrated" Iraq on the premise of w.m.d. Nothing was found.
Actually I would call it the "lie" of w.m.d.
It was just an excuse.
Nobody in the administration really believed it.
Ever since Sadam nationalized the oil, Iraq was marked for invasion, regime change, and massive depopulation.
Sadam began the process (at US behest) by making war with Iran and the kurds.
Bush 1 continued it with Desert Storm and the sanctions.
Bush 2 put the last nails in the coffin with the invasion and depleted uranium contamination.
And now it's left to Obama to do the sweeping up.
gypsykisses:
President Obama was correct in pointing out that by concentrating on Afghanistan and Iraq, it only serves the terrorists to grow in other countries. This is my opinion. Nothing anyone could ever say would make me change my mind about this senseless war. God Bless the Troops.
President Obama was correct in pointing out that by concentrating on Afghanistan and Iraq, it only serves the terrorists to grow in other countries. This is my opinion. Nothing anyone could ever say would make me change my mind about this senseless war. God Bless the Troops.
Terrorists come in all sizes shapes and colors.
The most deadly terrorists in the world are the ones who wear business suits and sit on the boards of big multinational companies planning the wars that will kill millions of innocents in another part of the world.
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gypsykisses: Starting it was absurd..continuing it would be asinine. There will never be political stability in the Middle East. We "infiltrated" Iraq on the premise of w.m.d. Nothing was found.
Actually I would call it the "lie" of w.m.d.
It was just an excuse.
Nobody in the administration really believed it.
Ever since Sadam nationalized the oil, Iraq was marked for invasion, regime change, and massive depopulation.
Sadam began the process (at US behest) by making war with Iran and the kurds.
Bush 1 continued it with Desert Storm and the sanctions.
Bush 2 put the last nails in the coffin with the invasion and depleted uranium contamination.
And now it's left to Obama to do the sweeping up.
gypsykisses:
President Obama was correct in pointing out that by concentrating on Afghanistan and Iraq, it only serves the terrorists to grow in other countries. This is my opinion. Nothing anyone could ever say would make me change my mind about this senseless war. God Bless the Troops.
President Obama was correct in pointing out that by concentrating on Afghanistan and Iraq, it only serves the terrorists to grow in other countries. This is my opinion. Nothing anyone could ever say would make me change my mind about this senseless war. God Bless the Troops.
Terrorists come in all sizes shapes and colors.
The most deadly terrorists in the world are the ones who wear business suits and sit on the boards of big multinational companies planning the wars that will kill millions of innocents in another part of the world.
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Oops.
Sometimes when I hit the send button, for some reason it clicks twice. Sorry.
Sometimes when I hit the send button, for some reason it clicks twice. Sorry.
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gypsykisses: No, it doesn't make me "think" nor does it surprise me. That's a soldier's mentality. They are owned and trained by the government and do what they are assigned to do. If they didn't believe in their government's cause, they would come back in a body bag. I remember how the soldiers were treated when they came back from Vietnam. Broken, missing limbs, downtrodden--not to a heroes welcome, just to a bunch of cameras. I doubt many have anything against the soldiers. We support our troops---but not the war. There is such a thing. I would be interested to know if that soldier was republican or democrat.
We care about our troops--may be hard for you to understand, but they have no business being there.
We care about our troops--may be hard for you to understand, but they have no business being there.
This soldier is a very bright man and has a thinking mentality.
What party he supports has nothing to do with his service to his country. You may not support the war but by making statements about Body Bags you also do nothing for the troops and those they knows moral...
I understand perfectly may be a little more than many!
This is the USA's problem in general that they think they are this great nation who can police the world...
It is time they took a step back.
Many would say they are fighting for your FREEDOM against terrorism...
I just hope none of the guys read this thread on their lap tops in Iraq or wherever they are stationed.
Have a good day...
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When are people going realize that these marionettes don't even have any words to keep..?! They're told what to say by those who PUT them where they are! And bearing in mind that "those who put them where they are" are ruthless psychopaths (and by sheer necessity obviously couldn't be anything else), then why keep asking the same superficial questions..?
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Plans to continue pullout of Iraq despite advice of senior military commanders.
In response to: June 2008: Obama: "I've also consistently said that I will consult with military commanders on the ground and that we will always be open to the possibility of tactical adjustments."
In response to: WASHINGTON - United States Central Command chief General David Petraeus, supported by Defense Secretary Robert Gates, tried to convince President Barack Obama that he had to back down from his campaign pledge to withdraw all US combat troops from Iraq within 18 months. This was at an Oval Office meeting on January 21.
But Obama informed Gates, Petraeus and Joint Chiefs chairman Admiral Mike Mullen that he wasn't convinced and that he wanted Gates and the military leaders to come back quickly with a detailed 16-month plan, according to two sources who have talked with participants in the meeting.
Obama's decision to override Petraeus's recommendation has not ended the conflict between the president and senior military officers over troop withdrawal, however.
Keane, the army vice chief of staff from 1999 to 2003, has ties to a network of active and retired four-star army generals, and since Obama's January 21 order on the 16-month withdrawal plan, some of the retired four-star generals in that network have begun discussing a campaign to blame Obama's troop withdrawal from Iraq for the ultimate collapse of the political "stability" that they expect to follow US withdrawal, according to a military source familiar with the network's plans.
Hope and Change. I admire his conviction and willingness to push forward but sure hope for Iraqis sake he knows what he's doing.
And my opinion on above is that no matter when the US decide that the 'Allies' pull out there will be instability.....
Better to get it over with quickly IMO and leave the Iraqi people to determine their own fate....
Also listening and consulting with Military Commanders does not necessarily mean he has to agree with them........
In response to: June 2008: Obama: "I've also consistently said that I will consult with military commanders on the ground and that we will always be open to the possibility of tactical adjustments."
In response to: WASHINGTON - United States Central Command chief General David Petraeus, supported by Defense Secretary Robert Gates, tried to convince President Barack Obama that he had to back down from his campaign pledge to withdraw all US combat troops from Iraq within 18 months. This was at an Oval Office meeting on January 21.
But Obama informed Gates, Petraeus and Joint Chiefs chairman Admiral Mike Mullen that he wasn't convinced and that he wanted Gates and the military leaders to come back quickly with a detailed 16-month plan, according to two sources who have talked with participants in the meeting.
Obama's decision to override Petraeus's recommendation has not ended the conflict between the president and senior military officers over troop withdrawal, however.
Keane, the army vice chief of staff from 1999 to 2003, has ties to a network of active and retired four-star army generals, and since Obama's January 21 order on the 16-month withdrawal plan, some of the retired four-star generals in that network have begun discussing a campaign to blame Obama's troop withdrawal from Iraq for the ultimate collapse of the political "stability" that they expect to follow US withdrawal, according to a military source familiar with the network's plans.
Hope and Change. I admire his conviction and willingness to push forward but sure hope for Iraqis sake he knows what he's doing.
And my opinion on above is that no matter when the US decide that the 'Allies' pull out there will be instability.....
Better to get it over with quickly IMO and leave the Iraqi people to determine their own fate....
Also listening and consulting with Military Commanders does not necessarily mean he has to agree with them........
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Tamarin: This soldier is a very bright man and has a thinking mentality.
What party he supports has nothing to do with his service to his country. You may not support the war but by making statements about Body Bags you also do nothing for the troops and those they knows moral...
I understand perfectly may be a little more than many!
This is the USA's problem in general that they think they are this great nation who can police the world...
It is time they took a step back.
Many would say they are fighting for your FREEDOM against terrorism...
I just hope none of the guys read this thread on their lap tops in Iraq or wherever they are stationed.
Have a good day...
What party he supports has nothing to do with his service to his country. You may not support the war but by making statements about Body Bags you also do nothing for the troops and those they knows moral...
I understand perfectly may be a little more than many!
This is the USA's problem in general that they think they are this great nation who can police the world...
It is time they took a step back.
Many would say they are fighting for your FREEDOM against terrorism...
I just hope none of the guys read this thread on their lap tops in Iraq or wherever they are stationed.
Have a good day...
I don't expect you to understand the way the military works, but I would expect that you read my post carefully, which you did not.
A soldier does what he is told. There is no thought process to it. He has NO choice in the matter. Whether he is bright or not has nothing to do with it. He is government property and will go and do as the government tells him to do. His views on what American's think of them DO have something to do with his party affiliation.
I'm quite sure by saying that if they didn't believe in their government's cause they would come back in body bags didn't hurt any of their feelings. Seemingly you do not understand the words I wrote-almost like your emotions had taken over. There's logic to my statement. They are NOT fighting for MY freedom against terrorism. They are fighting for greed and corruption. Have you not heard of Halliburton? Did they find w.m.d.? Weren't the terrorist from 9/11 SAUDIS??
Your words:"This is the USA's problem in general that they think they are this great nation who can police the world" would do LESS for a soldier's moral than anything I could possibly say. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if it wasn't for the US and their allies, wouldn't you be speaking German right now?
A prime example of why I thank God daily that a woman did NOT become our president.
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gypsykisses: That's a soldier's mentality. They are owned and trained by the government and do what they are assigned to do. ...
We care about our troops--may be hard for you to understand, but they have no business being there.
We care about our troops--may be hard for you to understand, but they have no business being there.
Exactly GK
The army is essentially a sect.
As you say, the soldiers are "owned"...
Right down to their opinions.
Basic training is all about suppressing one's own opinions.
"ours is not to reason "why?"
ours is not to give reply
ours is but to do and die"
Put people into situations of danger and fear,
allow, and even order them to terrorize the locals,
Fill their heads with propoganda that justifies the war and vilifies the "enemy",
And of course, most of them will begin to think that they are doing some sort of good.
To think otherwise under such conditions is just too much to bear.
Get someone to be party to an atrocity, even passively, and he will stop seeing it as an atrocity.
He will see it as "necessary".
Many soldiers coming back from Vietnam felt like they should have been treated as heros.
After all, they had faced death every day.
They had seen their friends die.
And they had killed many people.
But they were shocked to find out that many Americans thought the war was senseless and totally evil. (which it was)
They felt betrayed.
And they were.
But they weren't betrayed by the antiwar movement.
They were betrayed by those who created the war.
Most of the soldiers realized that over time.
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Tamarin: This soldier is a very bright man and has a thinking mentality.
He may have a good mind, but as a soldier he is absolutely conditioned to think ONLY thoughts that confirm the opinions of his superiors.
Any other thoughts will lead to trouble.
Tamarin:
You may not support the war but by making statements about Body Bags you also do nothing for the troops and those they knows morale.
You may not support the war but by making statements about Body Bags you also do nothing for the troops and those they knows morale.
Body bags are a fact of life for troops, they have seen them, they have filled them, they have loaded them onto trucks, hearing the word isn't going to shock them.
If you want to do something for the soldiers' "morale" then work to bring them home.
And the most effective way to accomplish that, is to undermine support for the war by depicting it as the senseless atrocity it really is.
Only when the general public get totally fed up with the war and mobilize against it will the powers that profit from war allow the government to make peace.
Tamarin:
I understand perfectly maybe a little more than many!
This is the USA's problem in general that they think they are this great nation who can police the world.
I understand perfectly maybe a little more than many!
This is the USA's problem in general that they think they are this great nation who can police the world.
No that's not really what its about at all.
War is never a sincere effort to do good.
War is about agression.
War is about big companies and banks making a lot of money.
War is about population control and social engineering.
War is about domination and oppression.
Tamarin:
Many would say they are fighting for your FREEDOM against terrorism...
I just hope none of the guys read this thread on their lap tops in Iraq or wherever they are stationed.
Many would say they are fighting for your FREEDOM against terrorism...
I just hope none of the guys read this thread on their lap tops in Iraq or wherever they are stationed.
I hope they do.
And just in case they are reading this,
I want to encourage them to stand up and denounce the war publicly,
and to find ways around the censorship to make their voices heard.
One of the most effective antiwar groups of the Vietnam War was Vietnam Veterans Against the War.
It was villified.
It was infiltrated by Army Intelligence and the FBI.
It was accused falsely of subversive activity.
etc etc etc.
But nothing was more effective in convincing people that the war was evil than having a veteran who had experienced it firsthand get up and describe the evils that he personally had witnessed or been compelled to take part in.
It takes a lot more courage to do that than it does to keep pretending that the war was somehow a good thing.
Have a good day...
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RayfromUSA: He may have a good mind, but as a soldier he is absolutely conditioned to think ONLY thoughts that confirm the opinions of his superiors.
Any other thoughts will lead to trouble.
Body bags are a fact of life for troops, they have seen them, they have filled them, they have loaded them onto trucks, hearing the word isn't going to shock them.
If you want to do something for the soldiers' "morale" then work to bring them home.
And the most effective way to accomplish that, is to undermine support for the war by depicting it as the senseless atrocity it really is.
Only when the general public get totally fed up with the war and mobilize against it will the powers that profit from war allow the government to make peace.
No that's not really what its about at all.
War is never a sincere effort to do good.
War is about agression.
War is about big companies and banks making a lot of money.
War is about population control and social engineering.
War is about domination and oppression.
I hope they do.
And just in case they are reading this,
I want to encourage them to stand up and denounce the war publicly,
and to find ways around the censorship to make their voices heard.
One of the most effective antiwar groups of the Vietnam War was Vietnam Veterans Against the War.
It was villified.
It was infiltrated by Army Intelligence and the FBI.
It was accused falsely of subversive activity.
etc etc etc.
But nothing was more effective in convincing people that the war was evil than having a veteran who had experienced it firsthand get up and describe the evils that he personally had witnessed or been compelled to take part in.
It takes a lot more courage to do that than it does to keep pretending that the war was somehow a good thing.
Have a good day...
Any other thoughts will lead to trouble.
Body bags are a fact of life for troops, they have seen them, they have filled them, they have loaded them onto trucks, hearing the word isn't going to shock them.
If you want to do something for the soldiers' "morale" then work to bring them home.
And the most effective way to accomplish that, is to undermine support for the war by depicting it as the senseless atrocity it really is.
Only when the general public get totally fed up with the war and mobilize against it will the powers that profit from war allow the government to make peace.
No that's not really what its about at all.
War is never a sincere effort to do good.
War is about agression.
War is about big companies and banks making a lot of money.
War is about population control and social engineering.
War is about domination and oppression.
I hope they do.
And just in case they are reading this,
I want to encourage them to stand up and denounce the war publicly,
and to find ways around the censorship to make their voices heard.
One of the most effective antiwar groups of the Vietnam War was Vietnam Veterans Against the War.
It was villified.
It was infiltrated by Army Intelligence and the FBI.
It was accused falsely of subversive activity.
etc etc etc.
But nothing was more effective in convincing people that the war was evil than having a veteran who had experienced it firsthand get up and describe the evils that he personally had witnessed or been compelled to take part in.
It takes a lot more courage to do that than it does to keep pretending that the war was somehow a good thing.
Have a good day...
I simply disagree with you ...You have a right to your views but being what is termed as a Military Brat and knowing a serving soldier well you have no idea what you are talking about...
They as serving soldiers can not stand up and denounce the war/government...I can only imagine what they would say about this comment.
He is not conditioned and has his own mind but can take orders from a higher ranking soldier... It is what is called having discipline!
As for the body bag comments they never get use to the death around them ...they just come to not talk about it and hope and pray that it never happens to close to home....I find that comment very insensitive to any serving Military personnel or family etc...
Yes war is wrong but sitting here on your soap box spouting your anti war views will achieve nothing...have you ever served your country?
I did not once say war is a good thing but neither is terrorism or drugs....
As for going on about helping troops with their morale, people spouting this kind of rubbish degrade the excellent job they are doing there under horrid conditions...
Keeping up the troops morale is simple things like they know the folks at home are behind them and that Obama plans to bring them home. Sending parcels with little niceties and home comforts such as paperbacks, chocolate, instant soup etc....
When they are not on duty...one of their biggest problems is boredum ...they can not walk into the nearest village... so books, phone cards so they can call home and hear a positive, cheerful loved ones voice....
Most of the guys have their own lap tops and yes they do read this kind of thing and posts like the above just make them think why the hell are we here when the people back home do not give a ----.
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gypsykisses: I don't expect you to understand the way the military works, but I would expect that you read my post carefully, which you did not.
A soldier does what he is told. There is no thought process to it. He has NO choice in the matter. Whether he is bright or not has nothing to do with it. He is government property and will go and do as the government tells him to do. His views on what American's think of them DO have something to do with his party affiliation.
I'm quite sure by saying that if they didn't believe in their government's cause they would come back in body bags didn't hurt any of their feelings. Seemingly you do not understand the words I wrote-almost like your emotions had taken over. There's logic to my statement. They are NOT fighting for MY freedom against terrorism. They are fighting for greed and corruption. Have you not heard of Halliburton? Did they find w.m.d.? Weren't the terrorist from 9/11 SAUDIS??
Your words:"This is the USA's problem in general that they think they are this great nation who can police the world" would do LESS for a soldier's moral than anything I could possibly say. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if it wasn't for the US and their allies, wouldn't you be speaking German right now?
A prime example of why I thank God daily that a woman did NOT become our president.
A soldier does what he is told. There is no thought process to it. He has NO choice in the matter. Whether he is bright or not has nothing to do with it. He is government property and will go and do as the government tells him to do. His views on what American's think of them DO have something to do with his party affiliation.
I'm quite sure by saying that if they didn't believe in their government's cause they would come back in body bags didn't hurt any of their feelings. Seemingly you do not understand the words I wrote-almost like your emotions had taken over. There's logic to my statement. They are NOT fighting for MY freedom against terrorism. They are fighting for greed and corruption. Have you not heard of Halliburton? Did they find w.m.d.? Weren't the terrorist from 9/11 SAUDIS??
Your words:"This is the USA's problem in general that they think they are this great nation who can police the world" would do LESS for a soldier's moral than anything I could possibly say. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if it wasn't for the US and their allies, wouldn't you be speaking German right now?
A prime example of why I thank God daily that a woman did NOT become our president.
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I am understand how the Military works a little more than lots of civilians as I grew up a Military Brat and know a serving U.S soldier well...
Body bags are never acceptable...have you any idea of the dread of the knock at the front door with the news of a love one...
Yes you have hit a sensitive issue...
A few weeks ago whilst on a Messenger chat.... he tells me there has been an explosion and then the link goes dead...
It was a very long, worrying night till I heard from him the next day...
I suggest that we all think about each others feelings and who is reading these posts before we type...
That does not stop people expressing their individual opinions but perhaps in a more tactful and sensitive manner as many have brothers, sisters, sons, daughters, friends, loved ones, husbands and wives serving in war zones...
Body bags are never acceptable...have you any idea of the dread of the knock at the front door with the news of a love one...
Yes you have hit a sensitive issue...
A few weeks ago whilst on a Messenger chat.... he tells me there has been an explosion and then the link goes dead...
It was a very long, worrying night till I heard from him the next day...
I suggest that we all think about each others feelings and who is reading these posts before we type...
That does not stop people expressing their individual opinions but perhaps in a more tactful and sensitive manner as many have brothers, sisters, sons, daughters, friends, loved ones, husbands and wives serving in war zones...
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vinny1967: Plans to continue pullout of Iraq despite advice of senior military commanders.In response to: June 2008: Obama: "I've also consistently said that I will consult with military commanders on the ground and that we will always be open to the possibility of tactical adjustments."
response to: WASHINGTON - United States Central Command chief General David Petraeus, supported by Defense Secretary Robert Gates, tried to convince President Barack Obama that he had to back down from his campaign pledge to withdraw all US combat troops from Iraq within 18 months. This was at an Oval Office meeting on January 21.
But Obama informed Gates, Petraeus and Joint Chiefs chairman Admiral Mike Mullen that he wasn't convinced and that he wanted Gates and the military leaders to come back quickly with a detailed 16-month plan, according to two sources who have talked with participants in the meeting.
Obama's decision to override Petraeus's recommendation has not ended the conflict between the president and senior military officers over troop withdrawal, however.
Keane, the army vice chief of staff from 1999 to 2003, has ties to a network of active and retired four-star army generals, and since Obama's January 21 order on the 16-month withdrawal plan, some of the retired four-star generals in that network have begun discussing a campaign to blame Obama's troop withdrawal from Iraq for the ultimate collapse of the political "stability" that they expect to follow US withdrawal, according to a military source familiar with the network's plans. Hope and Change. I admire his conviction and willingness to push forward but sure hope for Iraqis sake he knows what he's doing.
And my opinion on above is that no matter when the US decide that the 'Allies' pull out there will be instability.....
Better to get it over with quickly IMO and leave the Iraqi people to determine their own fate....
Also listening and consulting with Military Commanders does not necessarily mean he has to agree with them........
response to: WASHINGTON - United States Central Command chief General David Petraeus, supported by Defense Secretary Robert Gates, tried to convince President Barack Obama that he had to back down from his campaign pledge to withdraw all US combat troops from Iraq within 18 months. This was at an Oval Office meeting on January 21.
But Obama informed Gates, Petraeus and Joint Chiefs chairman Admiral Mike Mullen that he wasn't convinced and that he wanted Gates and the military leaders to come back quickly with a detailed 16-month plan, according to two sources who have talked with participants in the meeting.
Obama's decision to override Petraeus's recommendation has not ended the conflict between the president and senior military officers over troop withdrawal, however.
Keane, the army vice chief of staff from 1999 to 2003, has ties to a network of active and retired four-star army generals, and since Obama's January 21 order on the 16-month withdrawal plan, some of the retired four-star generals in that network have begun discussing a campaign to blame Obama's troop withdrawal from Iraq for the ultimate collapse of the political "stability" that they expect to follow US withdrawal, according to a military source familiar with the network's plans. Hope and Change. I admire his conviction and willingness to push forward but sure hope for Iraqis sake he knows what he's doing.
And my opinion on above is that no matter when the US decide that the 'Allies' pull out there will be instability.....
Better to get it over with quickly IMO and leave the Iraqi people to determine their own fate....
Also listening and consulting with Military Commanders does not necessarily mean he has to agree with them........
There are Iraq elections at the moment and the the troops of all nations are assisting with the rebuilding of things such as schools and roads....
I can assure they would all love to come home but they signed up and are doing their job...
It seems to be we are back to the USA saving the world ...I am holding my breath for the comment, Americans won WW2 for us....they only entered in the latter years when Pearl Harbour was attacked ...they stood bye and watched Europe crumbling but when it was they're own territory they jumped.... It is so old and sad that line that we would all be speaking German if it was not for the good old USA.
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does that count.........