justice (44)
smokyUnterland, Zurich Switzerland266 Threads 6 Polls 9,412 Postswedward: what has happend to law and justice has it become a thing of the past have we no values anymore killer of family gets 3 yrs man fr with no record out of work makes false claim for money to feed his family gets 4 yrs
And in SA - it`s a worse crime to not pay your TV licence than to be guilty of manslaughter! Makes one ponder just WHO are sitting in the Seats of Justice these days, huh?
Justice is a joke all round. Courts are there to protect the guilty not the innocent,it is pure theatre. The best loyer wins (liar/lawer).The first casualty is truth,the second justice.
Elley: Justice is a joke all round. Courts are there to protect the guilty not the innocent,it is pure theatre. The best loyer wins (liar/lawer).The first casualty is truth,the second justice.
What I find amusing is that a Lawyer may NOT talk to a Judge in a High Court! You can talk for yourself, but if you want to be represented then you gotta hire an Advocate!And ... did you know?.. Traditionally an Advocate was a clever person who sympathised with the hoy-poloi illiterate public and offered to speak for them .. and that black gown he wore/wears has a small pocket in the back of it for you to put some money, in gratitude for getting you proved innocent - he was not allowed to charge for his services! How things have changed huh?
seemingly you can buy justice, whatever happened to justice for all i wonder if the statue of justice on the law courts ought to have a neon sign added saying something like if you can afford me
Lets see what Ayn Rand and Objectivism have to say on this Ethics-Question.
Quite interesting,actually,and even more extensive in her books.
Quite interesting,actually,and even more extensive in her books.
Conrad73: Lets see what Ayn Rand and Objectivism have to say on this Ethics-Question.
Quite interesting,actually,and even more extensive in her books.http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/justice.html
// i think that most of us would aggree with her ,there is seemingly two types of justice in this world natural justice and one you can purchaseQuite interesting,actually,and even more extensive in her books.http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/justice.html
wedward: seemingly you can buy justice, whatever happened to justice for all i wonder if the statue of justice on the law courts ought to have a neon sign added saying something like if you can afford me
Ha ha ha .... like the Medical insignia that has a snake curling around a dagger?smoky: Ha ha ha .... like the Medical insignia that has a snake curling around a dagger?
.. good idea or a blinfold on the statuesmoky: Ha ha ha .... like the Medical insignia that has a snake curling around a dagger?
Thought that was the Staff of Asclepius. 
wedward: .. good idea or a blindfold on the statue
Just hope that Blindfold doesn't slip at the wrong moment.Justice's supposed to be BLIND!
Conrad73: Just hope that Blindfold doesn't slip at the wrong moment.
Justice's supposed to be BLIND!
yes you are right blind yes stupid noJustice's supposed to be BLIND!
smoky: What I find amusing is that a Lawyer may NOT talk to a Judge in a High Court! You can talk for yourself, but if you want to be represented then you gotta hire an Advocate!
And ... did you know?.. Traditionally an Advocate was a clever person who sympathised with the hoy-poloi illiterate public and offered to speak for them .. and that black gown he wore/wears has a small pocket in the back of it for you to put some money, in gratitude for getting you proved innocent - he was not allowed to charge for his services! How things have changed huh?
And ... did you know?.. Traditionally an Advocate was a clever person who sympathised with the hoy-poloi illiterate public and offered to speak for them .. and that black gown he wore/wears has a small pocket in the back of it for you to put some money, in gratitude for getting you proved innocent - he was not allowed to charge for his services! How things have changed huh?
Over here we have a Procura (procadura)who acts between your solicitor and the bench.In any legal action it is obligatory to have (and to pay for, of course)a procura.Their fees seem to be about a third to a half of you legal bill,on top of your legal bill, of course.Maybe the idea is for them to be tied up with all the legal paperwork whilst the much more important loyer flits from case to case. Or maybe its simply a case of more jobs for the boys.
dont get me started on "justice".. I have had my experience with that too..
My favorit lawyer joke:
An eminent successful lawyer drives along in his limo and sees a man in the grass at the kurbside, on all fours. He asks his chauffeur to pull over.
He winds down the window and says: "Good man, what are you doing there?"
The man in the grass turns around: "I have had very bad luck in business and have been made redundant,- I have lost my home and have no more income. Now I have to eat grass."
The lawyer replys without hesitation: "Please Sir, get in my car. Let me invite you to my home.."
The man replys:"That is too kind, but my family is also here with me." and he points to a woman and three children further over in the grass, also on all fours."
The lawyer says warmly: "Oh. No problem. Of course they can come too!"
The man and his family climb into the limousine and they drive on. The man turns to the lawyer and says: "This really is too kind. I dont know how to thank you.."
The lawyer says: "Ah. Think nothing of it.- Your'e gonna love my place, the grass is at least a foot tall!"
My favorit lawyer joke:
An eminent successful lawyer drives along in his limo and sees a man in the grass at the kurbside, on all fours. He asks his chauffeur to pull over.
He winds down the window and says: "Good man, what are you doing there?"
The man in the grass turns around: "I have had very bad luck in business and have been made redundant,- I have lost my home and have no more income. Now I have to eat grass."
The lawyer replys without hesitation: "Please Sir, get in my car. Let me invite you to my home.."
The man replys:"That is too kind, but my family is also here with me." and he points to a woman and three children further over in the grass, also on all fours."
The lawyer says warmly: "Oh. No problem. Of course they can come too!"
The man and his family climb into the limousine and they drive on. The man turns to the lawyer and says: "This really is too kind. I dont know how to thank you.."
The lawyer says: "Ah. Think nothing of it.- Your'e gonna love my place, the grass is at least a foot tall!"
Conrad73: Thought that was the Staff of Asclepius.
Oh yes, I see ... its a piece of stick! I have a medical badge from a person who was a Para-Medic and this badge is definitely a Sword with a serpent entwined. Much more appropriate, I think ....?
Although, hey, I realy appreciate real doctors - when one needs a bone put together, or to diagnose a rampant rash, or to sew up sliced open skin and tendons .......
Elley: Over here we have a Procura (procadura)who acts between your solicitor and the bench.In any legal action it is obligatory to have (and to pay for, of course)a procura.Their fees seem to be about a third to a half of you legal bill,on top of your legal bill, of course.Maybe the idea is for them to be tied up with all the legal paperwork whilst the much more important loyer flits from case to case. Or maybe its simply a case of more jobs for the boys.
I don`t know which type of law your country falls under, but in South Africa it is, I think, Roman/Dutch? (Conrad will verify or contradict and therefore enlighten us
sorry, I have to keep him occupied and he loves this type of thing.....)Anyway, as I was saying ...... In SA, not many people know that they are not obligated to hire an Advocate to act between the lawyer and the bench - they can do their own speaking. This also annoys your lawyer - who obviously makes more money by acting with his favourite Advocate.
Except .. of course, the Advocates sitting around the "inner circle" love to sni**er when a lay-person makes an error, and sometimes the Judge gets impatient, but generally I have seen people handle themselves very well - there being (by law) a Clerk whom one approaches to find out which documents are needed before appearing.
If one looks into things - I`m pretty sure that generally the public in most countries are entitled to information to assist them in handling their own case.
I have friends who handled their own divorce cases - cost? ZAR 60 = about 6 Euros!
My case - with Lawyer/Advocate cost ZAR 10,000 = about 1,000 Euros.
GreenTassels: divorce should not require a court.. (but marriage?)
in Japan you can get divorced the same way as you get married.. at the civil office with two witnesses. a fee for the clerks time,- finished.
in Japan you can get divorced the same way as you get married.. at the civil office with two witnesses. a fee for the clerks time,- finished.
Ja, I find it quite ironic that one gets married by a Christian Church minister, and it takes a Jewish Lawyer to break the vows....
Does it work in reverse too? Do Jewish marriages get divorced by Christian Lawyers?
I used, eventually, a Hindu Lawyer (the one with the huge painting of a Great White Shark behind his desk). Next time I will take careful note of the decor! I think it speaks silent volumes?
smoky: Ja, I find it quite ironic that one gets married by a Christian Church minister, and it takes a Jewish Lawyer to break the vows....
Does it work in reverse too? Do Jewish marriages get divorced by Christian Lawyers?
I used, eventually, a Hindu Lawyer (the one with the huge painting of a Great White Shark behind his desk). Next time I will take careful note of the decor! I think it speaks silent volumes?
Maybe a Lawyers attempt at honesty!Does it work in reverse too? Do Jewish marriages get divorced by Christian Lawyers?
I used, eventually, a Hindu Lawyer (the one with the huge painting of a Great White Shark behind his desk). Next time I will take careful note of the decor! I think it speaks silent volumes?
smoky: I don`t know which type of law your country falls under, but in South Africa it is, I think, Roman/Dutch? (Conrad will verify or contradict and therefore enlighten us sorry, I have to keep him occupied and he loves this type of thing.....)
Anyway, as I was saying ...... In SA, not many people know that they are not obligated to hire an Advocate to act between the lawyer and the bench - they can do their own speaking. This also annoys your lawyer - who obviously makes more money by acting with his favourite Advocate.
Except .. of course, the Advocates sitting around the "inner circle" love to sni**er when a lay-person makes an error, and sometimes the Judge gets impatient, but generally I have seen people handle themselves very well - there being (by law) a Clerk whom one approaches to find out which documents are needed before appearing.
If one looks into things - I`m pretty sure that generally the public in most countries are entitled to information to assist them in handling their own case.
I have friends who handled their own divorce cases - cost? ZAR 60 = about 6 Euros!
My case - with Lawyer/Advocate cost ZAR 10,000 = about 1,000 Euros.
Probably similar to British Law,with Magistrate Courts etc.Anyway, as I was saying ...... In SA, not many people know that they are not obligated to hire an Advocate to act between the lawyer and the bench - they can do their own speaking. This also annoys your lawyer - who obviously makes more money by acting with his favourite Advocate.
Except .. of course, the Advocates sitting around the "inner circle" love to sni**er when a lay-person makes an error, and sometimes the Judge gets impatient, but generally I have seen people handle themselves very well - there being (by law) a Clerk whom one approaches to find out which documents are needed before appearing.
If one looks into things - I`m pretty sure that generally the public in most countries are entitled to information to assist them in handling their own case.
I have friends who handled their own divorce cases - cost? ZAR 60 = about 6 Euros!
My case - with Lawyer/Advocate cost ZAR 10,000 = about 1,000 Euros.
One hears the funniest things in a Magistrate's Court.
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