So The Aul Household Charge. Why Are You Not paying it (155)
I said I'm not paying because it was badly handled, and by that I mean, it wasn't thought through properly.
The government have openly admitted that it is an unfair tax, that they intend to rectify next year, so why not wait until next year before they asked us to pay
From what I have heard, their ideas for next years tax aren't up to much either so they could have a long wait to get any money out of me
The government have openly admitted that it is an unfair tax, that they intend to rectify next year, so why not wait until next year before they asked us to pay
From what I have heard, their ideas for next years tax aren't up to much either so they could have a long wait to get any money out of me
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The government cannot force you to pay if you don't register. It is only by registering that you can be liable to pay as it is considered consent. Apparently it has something to do with statute laws...
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skyblue43: The government cannot force you to pay if you don't register. It is only by registering that you can be liable to pay as it is considered consent. Apparently it has something to do with statute laws...
I saw that on facebook but was waiting to hear someone actually say it out loud before I believed it
The way I see it, they have guaranteed us that nobody will be jailed for non payment, so they can add on all the fines they like.......
I just won't pay them either
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Glengirl: I said I'm not paying because it was badly handled, and by that I mean, it wasn't thought through properly.
The government have openly admitted that it is an unfair tax, that they intend to rectify next year, so why not wait until next year before they asked us to pay
From what I have heard, their ideas for next years tax aren't up to much either so they could have a long wait to get any money out of me
The government have openly admitted that it is an unfair tax, that they intend to rectify next year, so why not wait until next year before they asked us to pay
From what I have heard, their ideas for next years tax aren't up to much either so they could have a long wait to get any money out of me
That's it in a nutshell,they admit it is unfair and tax at the very least has to be fair.
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skyblue43: The government cannot force you to pay if you don't register. It is only by registering that you can be liable to pay as it is considered consent. Apparently it has something to do with statute laws...
Yeah I read that and I'm unsure about the legality of it too.
@ G.
Yeah it was badly handled. Why can't people pay in post offices. Why didnt they wait until the end of the 2nd/3rd quarter instead of pushing it thru.
Unfortunately there is a household charge coming as we are the only country in the EU who don't have one, (I think) and it was part of the bailout agreement.
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This is only the start of it, a flat tax, god only knows what it will be next year, apart from the fact that i cant afford it, i wouldn't even if i could.
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It has been estimated that within 1 or 2 years this will go up to 1200 or so. Robbery. Not that it affects me as I'm renting.
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martini100: This is only the start of it, a flat tax, god only knows what it will be next year, apart from the fact that i cant afford it, i wouldn't even if i could.
Its a short term solution to a longer term problem.
I was talking to my uncle the other day and he lives in Donegal. He moved there recently from Birmingham and he said if he was living in Birmingham in the same size house he is living in now, he would be paying 2.500 + sterling in charges.
Its coming and I think it will be nore than people are asked to pay this year.
Also on the unfair part. I think they have acknowledged that its unfair in that its not means tested and property sized because of the time it will take to implement systems to gauge same.
As a tax it will be there in the future every year.
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vinny1967: Yeah I read that and I'm unsure about the legality of it too.
@ G.
Yeah it was badly handled. Why can't people pay in post offices. Why didnt they wait until the end of the 2nd/3rd quarter instead of pushing it thru.
Unfortunately there is a household charge coming as we are the only country in the EU who don't have one, (I think) and it was part of the bailout agreement.
@ G.
Yeah it was badly handled. Why can't people pay in post offices. Why didnt they wait until the end of the 2nd/3rd quarter instead of pushing it thru.
Unfortunately there is a household charge coming as we are the only country in the EU who don't have one, (I think) and it was part of the bailout agreement.
The thing is that they are trying to graft a european style tax system to our high and unfair tax system. Tell a German or a French person how much you pay for car tax and they won't believe you.The tax system needs to be looked at across the board and then we won't have a problem paying such taxes.
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scriobhneoir: It has been estimated that within 1 or 2 years this will go up to 1200 or so. Robbery. Not that it affects me as I'm renting.
Not yet!! there are talks of extending the household tax to people that rent also
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vinny1967: Its a short term solution to a longer term problem.
I was talking to my uncle the other day and he lives in Donegal. He moved there recently from Birmingham and he said if he was living in Birmingham in the same size house he is living in now, he would be paying 2.500 + sterling in charges.
Its coming and I think it will be nore than people are asked to pay this year.
Also on the unfair part. I think they have acknowledged that its unfair in that its not means tested and property sized because of the time it will take to implement systems to gauge same.
As a tax it will be there in the future every year.
I was talking to my uncle the other day and he lives in Donegal. He moved there recently from Birmingham and he said if he was living in Birmingham in the same size house he is living in now, he would be paying 2.500 + sterling in charges.
Its coming and I think it will be nore than people are asked to pay this year.
Also on the unfair part. I think they have acknowledged that its unfair in that its not means tested and property sized because of the time it will take to implement systems to gauge same.
As a tax it will be there in the future every year.
You see, that's what pisses me off!!!! He isn't living in Birminghm (and I'm sure he's very happy about that
) so he shouldn't be comparing here to there!!If that's the case, can we get our government to abolish VRT as "no other country in Europe has it"
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HOUSEHOLD CHARGE - How to LEGALLY avoid paying
You dont have to legally pay household Tax! You wont get a bill because the charge is a STATUTE. People need to understand this.
A STATUTE is a 'legislated rule of Society given the force of law by the consent of the Governed' (Black's Law Dictionary 4th Edition). Who are those it Governed?? US...The People!!
This household charge is a Statute, otherwise known as an Act of Government and only carries the force of law upon you if you CONSENT to it. Which means you are legally obliged to pay if you consent, or in other words go on to householdcharge.ie and register. Your silence and inaction will also give the appearance of consent.
IF YOU DO NOT CONSENT, A STATUTE CANNOT AFFECT YOU WHATSOEVER!!
The Courts know this and the last thing they will do is tell you. In fact they will hide this from you at every opportunity they can. On the other hand if you tell them, they will accept it because they know it is actually true. According to the above definition a Statutery instrument is a contract.
IF YOU REGISTER FOR THIS CHARGE YOU ARE CONSENTING TO THIS STATUTE ie signing the contract. THIS IS WHY THE GOVERNMENT ARE ASKING THE PEOPLE TO REGISTER AND NOT JUST BILLING THEM INSTEAD.
You dont have to legally pay household Tax! You wont get a bill because the charge is a STATUTE. People need to understand this.
A STATUTE is a 'legislated rule of Society given the force of law by the consent of the Governed' (Black's Law Dictionary 4th Edition). Who are those it Governed?? US...The People!!
This household charge is a Statute, otherwise known as an Act of Government and only carries the force of law upon you if you CONSENT to it. Which means you are legally obliged to pay if you consent, or in other words go on to householdcharge.ie and register. Your silence and inaction will also give the appearance of consent.
IF YOU DO NOT CONSENT, A STATUTE CANNOT AFFECT YOU WHATSOEVER!!
The Courts know this and the last thing they will do is tell you. In fact they will hide this from you at every opportunity they can. On the other hand if you tell them, they will accept it because they know it is actually true. According to the above definition a Statutery instrument is a contract.
IF YOU REGISTER FOR THIS CHARGE YOU ARE CONSENTING TO THIS STATUTE ie signing the contract. THIS IS WHY THE GOVERNMENT ARE ASKING THE PEOPLE TO REGISTER AND NOT JUST BILLING THEM INSTEAD.
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pogo07: HOUSEHOLD CHARGE - How to LEGALLY avoid paying
You dont have to legally pay household Tax! You wont get a bill because the charge is a STATUTE. People need to understand this.
A STATUTE is a 'legislated rule of Society given the force of law by the consent of the Governed' (Black's Law Dictionary 4th Edition). Who are those it Governed?? US...The People!!
This household charge is a Statute, otherwise known as an Act of Government and only carries the force of law upon you if you CONSENT to it. Which means you are legally obliged to pay if you consent, or in other words go on to householdcharge.ie and register. Your silence and inaction will also give the appearance of consent.
IF YOU DO NOT CONSENT, A STATUTE CANNOT AFFECT YOU WHATSOEVER!!
The Courts know this and the last thing they will do is tell you. In fact they will hide this from you at every opportunity they can. On the other hand if you tell them, they will accept it because they know it is actually true. According to the above definition a Statutery instrument is a contract.
IF YOU REGISTER FOR THIS CHARGE YOU ARE CONSENTING TO THIS STATUTE ie signing the contract. THIS IS WHY THE GOVERNMENT ARE ASKING THE PEOPLE TO REGISTER AND NOT JUST BILLING THEM INSTEAD.
You dont have to legally pay household Tax! You wont get a bill because the charge is a STATUTE. People need to understand this.
A STATUTE is a 'legislated rule of Society given the force of law by the consent of the Governed' (Black's Law Dictionary 4th Edition). Who are those it Governed?? US...The People!!
This household charge is a Statute, otherwise known as an Act of Government and only carries the force of law upon you if you CONSENT to it. Which means you are legally obliged to pay if you consent, or in other words go on to householdcharge.ie and register. Your silence and inaction will also give the appearance of consent.
IF YOU DO NOT CONSENT, A STATUTE CANNOT AFFECT YOU WHATSOEVER!!
The Courts know this and the last thing they will do is tell you. In fact they will hide this from you at every opportunity they can. On the other hand if you tell them, they will accept it because they know it is actually true. According to the above definition a Statutery instrument is a contract.
IF YOU REGISTER FOR THIS CHARGE YOU ARE CONSENTING TO THIS STATUTE ie signing the contract. THIS IS WHY THE GOVERNMENT ARE ASKING THE PEOPLE TO REGISTER AND NOT JUST BILLING THEM INSTEAD.
What I said!
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pogo07: HOUSEHOLD CHARGE - How to LEGALLY avoid paying
You dont have to legally pay household Tax! You wont get a bill because the charge is a STATUTE. People need to understand this.
A STATUTE is a 'legislated rule of Society given the force of law by the consent of the Governed' (Black's Law Dictionary 4th Edition). Who are those it Governed?? US...The People!!
This household charge is a Statute, otherwise known as an Act of Government and only carries the force of law upon you if you CONSENT to it. Which means you are legally obliged to pay if you consent, or in other words go on to householdcharge.ie and register. Your silence and inaction will also give the appearance of consent.
IF YOU DO NOT CONSENT, A STATUTE CANNOT AFFECT YOU WHATSOEVER!!
The Courts know this and the last thing they will do is tell you. In fact they will hide this from you at every opportunity they can. On the other hand if you tell them, they will accept it because they know it is actually true. According to the above definition a Statutery instrument is a contract.
IF YOU REGISTER FOR THIS CHARGE YOU ARE CONSENTING TO THIS STATUTE ie signing the contract. THIS IS WHY THE GOVERNMENT ARE ASKING THE PEOPLE TO REGISTER AND NOT JUST BILLING THEM INSTEAD.
You dont have to legally pay household Tax! You wont get a bill because the charge is a STATUTE. People need to understand this.
A STATUTE is a 'legislated rule of Society given the force of law by the consent of the Governed' (Black's Law Dictionary 4th Edition). Who are those it Governed?? US...The People!!
This household charge is a Statute, otherwise known as an Act of Government and only carries the force of law upon you if you CONSENT to it. Which means you are legally obliged to pay if you consent, or in other words go on to householdcharge.ie and register. Your silence and inaction will also give the appearance of consent.
IF YOU DO NOT CONSENT, A STATUTE CANNOT AFFECT YOU WHATSOEVER!!
The Courts know this and the last thing they will do is tell you. In fact they will hide this from you at every opportunity they can. On the other hand if you tell them, they will accept it because they know it is actually true. According to the above definition a Statutery instrument is a contract.
IF YOU REGISTER FOR THIS CHARGE YOU ARE CONSENTING TO THIS STATUTE ie signing the contract. THIS IS WHY THE GOVERNMENT ARE ASKING THE PEOPLE TO REGISTER AND NOT JUST BILLING THEM INSTEAD.
Am stealing this for FB pals
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Glengirl: You see, that's what pisses me off!!!! He isn't living in Birminghm (and I'm sure he's very happy about that ) so he shouldn't be comparing here to there!!
If that's the case, can we get our government to abolish VRT as "no other country in Europe has it"
If that's the case, can we get our government to abolish VRT as "no other country in Europe has it"
Calm Down calm down (in my best Liverpool accent
) 
I suppose he could counter that with the higher social welfare we have in Ireland
It is coming and it will be applied in a better way than they have tried this year.
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martini100: Am stealing this for FB pals
Thats where it came from. It's all over FB at the moment...
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pogo07: HOUSEHOLD CHARGE - How to LEGALLY avoid paying
You dont have to legally pay household Tax! You wont get a bill because the charge is a STATUTE. People need to understand this.
A STATUTE is a 'legislated rule of Society given the force of law by the consent of the Governed' (Black's Law Dictionary 4th Edition). Who are those it Governed?? US...The People!!
This household charge is a Statute, otherwise known as an Act of Government and only carries the force of law upon you if you CONSENT to it. Which means you are legally obliged to pay if you consent, or in other words go on to householdcharge.ie and register. Your silence and inaction will also give the appearance of consent.
IF YOU DO NOT CONSENT, A STATUTE CANNOT AFFECT YOU WHATSOEVER!!
The Courts know this and the last thing they will do is tell you. In fact they will hide this from you at every opportunity they can. On the other hand if you tell them, they will accept it because they know it is actually true. According to the above definition a Statutery instrument is a contract.
IF YOU REGISTER FOR THIS CHARGE YOU ARE CONSENTING TO THIS STATUTE ie signing the contract. THIS IS WHY THE GOVERNMENT ARE ASKING THE PEOPLE TO REGISTER AND NOT JUST BILLING THEM INSTEAD.
You dont have to legally pay household Tax! You wont get a bill because the charge is a STATUTE. People need to understand this.
A STATUTE is a 'legislated rule of Society given the force of law by the consent of the Governed' (Black's Law Dictionary 4th Edition). Who are those it Governed?? US...The People!!
This household charge is a Statute, otherwise known as an Act of Government and only carries the force of law upon you if you CONSENT to it. Which means you are legally obliged to pay if you consent, or in other words go on to householdcharge.ie and register. Your silence and inaction will also give the appearance of consent.
IF YOU DO NOT CONSENT, A STATUTE CANNOT AFFECT YOU WHATSOEVER!!
The Courts know this and the last thing they will do is tell you. In fact they will hide this from you at every opportunity they can. On the other hand if you tell them, they will accept it because they know it is actually true. According to the above definition a Statutery instrument is a contract.
IF YOU REGISTER FOR THIS CHARGE YOU ARE CONSENTING TO THIS STATUTE ie signing the contract. THIS IS WHY THE GOVERNMENT ARE ASKING THE PEOPLE TO REGISTER AND NOT JUST BILLING THEM INSTEAD.
Hi Pogo
I have read this and was unsure about the legality of it. Are there quick links you can provide us with that would prove this.
Sorry am just being lazy not having to do the research myself
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martini100: Am stealing this for FB pals
Be my guest........time people stopped having the wool pulled over and resurrect the fighting irish again........even on a small scale before were handing our wages straight to the government.......or europe!
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vinny1967: Calm Down calm down (in my best Liverpool accent )
I suppose he could counter that with the higher social welfare we have in Ireland
It is coming and it will be applied in a better way than they have tried this year.
I suppose he could counter that with the higher social welfare we have in Ireland
It is coming and it will be applied in a better way than they have tried this year.
Oh, you don't want to get me started on social welfare
I don't object to paying a household tax per se, just so long as it is calculated in a fair manner
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vinny1967: Hi Pogo
I have read this and was unsure about the legality of it. Are there quick links you can provide us with that would prove this.
Sorry am just being lazy not having to do the research myself
I have read this and was unsure about the legality of it. Are there quick links you can provide us with that would prove this.
Sorry am just being lazy not having to do the research myself
I researched this back in January and posted it on FB back then, told all to circulate.........afraid I didnt keep my records (took some digging as you can imagine) But i'd start with a simple google search, its where I started.
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aldo313: The thing is that they are trying to graft a european style tax system to our high and unfair tax system. Tell a German or a French person how much you pay for car tax and they won't believe you.The tax system needs to be looked at across the board and then we won't have a problem paying such taxes.
I guess thats a direct consequence of being in the EU. They also don't believe the high social welfare costs or the high costs of public service compared to theirs. There will always be cultural differences between European countries but this household charge will come in eventually, in a legal manner and it will have to be paid.
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skyblue43: Thats where it came from. It's all over FB at the moment...
Haven't seen it on any of my family or friends walls !! It's on mine now
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martini100: Not yet!! there are talks of extending the household tax to people that rent also
I'm sure some landlords are already trying to do that, but I can't see how they can do it on on official basis as the fee is for the household and tennants are not householders.
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pogo07: HOUSEHOLD CHARGE - How to LEGALLY avoid paying
You dont have to legally pay household Tax! You wont get a bill because the charge is a STATUTE. People need to understand this.
A STATUTE is a 'legislated rule of Society given the force of law by the consent of the Governed' (Black's Law Dictionary 4th Edition). Who are those it Governed?? US...The People!!
This household charge is a Statute, otherwise known as an Act of Government and only carries the force of law upon you if you CONSENT to it. Which means you are legally obliged to pay if you consent, or in other words go on to householdcharge.ie and register. Your silence and inaction will also give the appearance of consent.
IF YOU DO NOT CONSENT, A STATUTE CANNOT AFFECT YOU WHATSOEVER!!
The Courts know this and the last thing they will do is tell you. In fact they will hide this from you at every opportunity they can. On the other hand if you tell them, they will accept it because they know it is actually true. According to the above definition a Statutery instrument is a contract.
IF YOU REGISTER FOR THIS CHARGE YOU ARE CONSENTING TO THIS STATUTE ie signing the contract. THIS IS WHY THE GOVERNMENT ARE ASKING THE PEOPLE TO REGISTER AND NOT JUST BILLING THEM INSTEAD.
You dont have to legally pay household Tax! You wont get a bill because the charge is a STATUTE. People need to understand this.
A STATUTE is a 'legislated rule of Society given the force of law by the consent of the Governed' (Black's Law Dictionary 4th Edition). Who are those it Governed?? US...The People!!
This household charge is a Statute, otherwise known as an Act of Government and only carries the force of law upon you if you CONSENT to it. Which means you are legally obliged to pay if you consent, or in other words go on to householdcharge.ie and register. Your silence and inaction will also give the appearance of consent.
IF YOU DO NOT CONSENT, A STATUTE CANNOT AFFECT YOU WHATSOEVER!!
The Courts know this and the last thing they will do is tell you. In fact they will hide this from you at every opportunity they can. On the other hand if you tell them, they will accept it because they know it is actually true. According to the above definition a Statutery instrument is a contract.
IF YOU REGISTER FOR THIS CHARGE YOU ARE CONSENTING TO THIS STATUTE ie signing the contract. THIS IS WHY THE GOVERNMENT ARE ASKING THE PEOPLE TO REGISTER AND NOT JUST BILLING THEM INSTEAD.
sorry but that statement is totally untrue and both sides have dismissed it as been fabricated, if people are going to resist this then it's only fair that they have information that is accurate
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jimbo79: sorry but that statement is totally untrue and both sides have dismissed it as been fabricated, if people are going to resist this then it's only fair that they have information that is accurate
I was wondering whether this was true or not as I have seen it on FB a lot. It is plausable (on the face of it) and many may believe it without actually checking.
Hope your feeling better.
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pogo07: I researched this back in January and posted it on FB back then, told all to circulate.........afraid I didnt keep my records (took some digging as you can imagine) But i'd start with a simple google search, its where I started.
I will defo do some research on this thanks.
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vinny1967: I was wondering whether this was true or not as I have seen it on FB a lot. It is plausable (on the face of it) and many may believe it without actually checking.
Hope your feeling better.
Hope your feeling better.
if it was true im sure the left would have it in the courts, i checked the socialists party website and they say it not true, it's an unjust tax and that is why it should be rejected, but if people don't pay it then they are breaking the law and they should be fully aware of that, our justice minister this evening did not rule out jailing people who refused to pay
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Seen this on facebook as well
Do people accept that the Household Charge is here to stay ??
The reason I'm asking is I see people campaigning against the household charge, while some of the same people I see campaign against closure of hospitals, cuts in education, cuts in healthcare, cuts in council services and I just wonder who some people expect to pay for these services.
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Seems like they make the rules as they go!! I'm still not paying it
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jimbo79: if it was true im sure the left would have it in the courts, i checked the socialists party website and they say it not true, it's an unjust tax and that is why it should be rejected, but if people don't pay it then they are breaking the law and they should be fully aware of that, our justice minister this evening did not rule out jailing people who refused to pay
Gotcha. I was wondering if it was true why the naysayers in the dail were not stating same and challenging it in the courts.
I learnt something today. Dont believe everything you read on the internet. Check the facts myself. Who would have thunk it
Your back in the GAA thread as I kept it going for you for a week
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So The Aul Household Charge. Why Are You Not paying it(Vote Below)
Just really interested in peoples motivations.