The Surrogate Refused To Abort The Baby When Ultrasound Found Serious Medical Issues (29)
montemonte: SYNOPSIS: This is a case of a surrogacy. The ultrasound found the baby to be in poor health with massive problems. The parents who hired the surrogate want her to abort the baby and will pay her an additional $10,000 to do it. The surrogate refuses to abort the baby even when offered $15,000.
The baby was born with extreme medical problems and probably won't live long
In your opinion, was the surrogate selfish to give birth to a child that would suffer the rest of its life. The parents said they didn't want a sick child and neither did the surrogate.
What do you think should have be done when the ultrasound found the baby with serious medical issues?
The baby was born with extreme medical problems and probably won't live long
In your opinion, was the surrogate selfish to give birth to a child that would suffer the rest of its life. The parents said they didn't want a sick child and neither did the surrogate.
What do you think should have be done when the ultrasound found the baby with serious medical issues?
IMO they should be charged with trying to pay her to commit murder.
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if the child has serious health issues then it may not live. no need to murder a child.
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Maybe they just should've given the baby up.
I know as a mother it would've been a very hard decision to make.
I know as a mother it would've been a very hard decision to make.
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Glatlol: Absolutely IMO it is murder, if people think its ok to kill a child because the child has medical difficulties why not just wait until the child is born and murder it then? Same thing to me.
I think I remember you saying that you don't open links. No disrespect Glat but I think if you read the link you'll see what the issues were. You might change your mind and think it wouldn't have been murder but rather the kind thing to do. The baby has already had several operations and will need many more.
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Issues like this should be covered in a contract. This was a poorly administrated deal. Surely this is something that should have been foreseen.------ This poll is Archived ------
Catfoot: Issues like this should be covered in a contract. This was a poorly administrated deal. Surely this is something that should have been foreseen.
That's an excellent point. I don't know if there is normally a contract when surrogacy is involved but this certainly proves that there should be. I think at some point the law, instead of religion should interfere, especially when no one wants the baby.
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Ccincy: Monte I didn't say that.This is exactly how disagreements begin online cause someone is always reading something into someones words that they didn't say.For your info I did read the whole link.I'm leaving this thread.
You didn't say what? In post #5 you said "Maybe they just should've given the baby up". That wasn't clear but I assumed you meant the surrogate should have given birth. She had to give it to the parents because she was paid to do that. Did you mean the parents should have given the baby up?I tried to address that option that it's unlikely anyone would want the baby, perhaps not even an adoption agency.
What do you mean by "I didn't say that"?
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Purely from a hypothetical point,what if the child had been born healthy but developed a tumour or a chronic illness, would they have asked for a refund!
I admire the birth mother personally. If the baby has no chance of living there is really no issue.
Certainly wouldn't be acting as a surrogate for these people again.
I admire the birth mother personally. If the baby has no chance of living there is really no issue.
Certainly wouldn't be acting as a surrogate for these people again.
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montemonte: Thank you Nuli for your opinion.
And thank you to everyone who posted. I'm not here to judge anyone's opinion. I just wanted a discussion and it seems with only one exception, this was a very polite conversation.
The day is young here in the U.S. but in Europe it's probably around 11:00 pm and people are heading off to bed for a good nights sleep. Pleasant dreams my fellow posters
I'll be around for awhile
Its 7PM here Monte And thank you to everyone who posted. I'm not here to judge anyone's opinion. I just wanted a discussion and it seems with only one exception, this was a very polite conversation.
The day is young here in the U.S. but in Europe it's probably around 11:00 pm and people are heading off to bed for a good nights sleep. Pleasant dreams my fellow posters
I'll be around for awhile
This is just MY own veiw and each to their own as they say 
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Nuliiiiiii: Its 7PM here Monte This is just MY own veiw and each to their own as they say .Have a lovely day there Monte
You have a wonderful evening lovely Nuli. Just a little snack for you ------>
And please keep the jokes coming 
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I personally find this whole episode distasteful.
The parents use IVF to get three children all with problems,so decide they want a perfect child and use the same frozen eggs for the surrogacy
Sure sounds like a recipe for disaster.j.m.o.
The parents use IVF to get three children all with problems,so decide they want a perfect child and use the same frozen eggs for the surrogacy
Sure sounds like a recipe for disaster.j.m.o.
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What does that tell you? Voting is confidential. I wonder why more didn't vote. Just curious.
Only 5 have voted
What does that tell you? Voting is confidential. I wonder why more didn't vote. Just curious.
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MICKEYMOST: Hi again Monte I actually have to correct myself here. The IVF mother was unable to carry full term so all three were premature,hence ongoing medical problems.
I still wonder why they would want a perfect child when they have 3 other children that need their attention.
More money than sense springs to mind. A couple with three children was desperate to have a fourth, but the mother was incapable of having more children. Her three previous children had all been born through in vitro fertilization; all were born prematurely, spent months in the hospital after birth, and continued to have medical problems.
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I still wonder why they would want a perfect child when they have 3 other children that need their attention.
More money than sense springs to mind. A couple with three children was desperate to have a fourth, but the mother was incapable of having more children. Her three previous children had all been born through in vitro fertilization; all were born prematurely, spent months in the hospital after birth, and continued to have medical problems.
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Mickey, the word that comes to mind Mickey is.....selfish. I think they wanted to know what it's like to have a perfect child and thereby their selfishness comes into play. Any parent who just wants a child would have accepted this baby but these parents didn't want to have to deal with another child that wasn't perfect. IMO, they don't deserve any children.
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montemonte: SYNOPSIS: This is a case of a surrogacy. The ultrasound found the baby to be in poor health with massive problems. The parents who hired the surrogate want her to abort the baby and will pay her an additional $10,000 to do it. The surrogate refuses to abort the baby even when offered $15,000.
The baby was born with extreme medical problems and probably won't live long
In your opinion, was the surrogate selfish to give birth to a child that would suffer the rest of its life. The parents said they didn't want a sick child and neither did the surrogate.
What do you think should have be done when the ultrasound found the baby with serious medical issues?
The baby was born with extreme medical problems and probably won't live long
In your opinion, was the surrogate selfish to give birth to a child that would suffer the rest of its life. The parents said they didn't want a sick child and neither did the surrogate.
What do you think should have be done when the ultrasound found the baby with serious medical issues?
I voted yes when I read the story, but when I looked at the baby, as poorly as she looks, I am not sure. Is death really better than sick life? Anyway, she was adopted and that is great.
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joyaepace: I voted yes when I read the story, but when I looked at the baby, as poorly as she looks, I am not sure. Is death really better than sick life? Anyway, she was adopted and that is great.
Joy, it is good that she was adopted but the adoptive parents have to face more then a cleft palate.
The baby is now 8 months old, living with adoptive parents, has had three surgeries with more to come, and, if she lives, faces a 50 percent chance she won’t be able to ever walk or talk.
A routine five-month ultrasound revealed many physical abnormalities, including a cleft palate and lip, a brain cyst and serious heart defects.
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montemonte: Joy, it is good that she was adopted but the adoptive parents have to face more then a cleft palate.
The baby is now 8 months old, living with adoptive parents, has had three surgeries with more to come, and, if she lives, faces a 50 percent chance she won’t be able to ever walk or talk. A routine five-month ultrasound revealed many physical abnormalities, including a cleft palate and lip, a brain cyst and serious heart defects.
The baby is now 8 months old, living with adoptive parents, has had three surgeries with more to come, and, if she lives, faces a 50 percent chance she won’t be able to ever walk or talk. A routine five-month ultrasound revealed many physical abnormalities, including a cleft palate and lip, a brain cyst and serious heart defects.
Yes, but I suppose they did know what they are taking on? They already have other special needs children. If they can afford the cost, all the better for baby.
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joyaepace: Yes, but I suppose they did know what they are taking on? They already have other special needs children. If they can afford the cost, all the better for baby.
That's the point. They knew that their other three children are special needs children and all came from her eggs. So why would they use the eggs they saved to bring another child into the world. They had to know the percentage of another special needs child would be high.
They wanted a perfect child that would be pretty, without special medical needs. They are selfish people and didn't think of the child ahead of time.
Even if they could afford the cost, they didn't want the baby because it was "defective" (my words).
This baby isn't going to be able to walk or talk and needs more surgeries if it lives long enough to have them. It's insane to bring a child into the world to suffer like that.
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montemonte: SYNOPSIS: This is a case of a surrogacy. The ultrasound found the baby to be in poor health with massive problems. The parents who hired the surrogate want her to abort the baby and will pay her an additional $10,000 to do it. The surrogate refuses to abort the baby even when offered $15,000.
The baby was born with extreme medical problems and probably won't live long
In your opinion, was the surrogate selfish to give birth to a child that would suffer the rest of its life. The parents said they didn't want a sick child and neither did the surrogate.
What do you think should have be done when the ultrasound found the baby with serious medical issues?
The baby was born with extreme medical problems and probably won't live long
In your opinion, was the surrogate selfish to give birth to a child that would suffer the rest of its life. The parents said they didn't want a sick child and neither did the surrogate.
What do you think should have be done when the ultrasound found the baby with serious medical issues?
I just feel for the child.
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It is a really tough moral decision.
Here we have increased our medical abilities to implant a fully fertilized egg into a non biological mother - that in itself requires us as humans to question all the scenarios and outcomes to our abilities.
the baby has been adopted - the woman took herself to another state where she is now considered the mother -
the question becomes do the biological parents who did not want the costly medical expenses of their child - they wanted a healthy child - have the right to request termination. Can the state now come back to the parents and require them to pay for the expenses of their baby even against their wishes? In some ways it is the same as a father not wanting to be a parent and having no say or control over the decision of the mother..... similar concept
I personally don't have any feelings for or against the whole thing - It is a definately a moral question to be debated for a long time..... with no real solutions. this is between the parents, the lawyer and the surrogate and the state and now the new adopted parents.
Here we have increased our medical abilities to implant a fully fertilized egg into a non biological mother - that in itself requires us as humans to question all the scenarios and outcomes to our abilities.
the baby has been adopted - the woman took herself to another state where she is now considered the mother -
the question becomes do the biological parents who did not want the costly medical expenses of their child - they wanted a healthy child - have the right to request termination. Can the state now come back to the parents and require them to pay for the expenses of their baby even against their wishes? In some ways it is the same as a father not wanting to be a parent and having no say or control over the decision of the mother..... similar concept
I personally don't have any feelings for or against the whole thing - It is a definately a moral question to be debated for a long time..... with no real solutions. this is between the parents, the lawyer and the surrogate and the state and now the new adopted parents.
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Truth telling is a great service I provide.
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montemonte: I think I remember you saying that you don't open links. No disrespect Glat but I think if you read the link you'll see what the issues were. You might change your mind and think it wouldn't have been murder but rather the kind thing to do. The baby has already had several operations and will need many more.
If they really didn't want the baby then all the parents would have to do is refuse all medical treatment. You can do that.
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montemonte: Thank you Jac. As always, a well thought out opinion.
Now you have another role to play in a movie whee I wrote the opening scene. Leo wants an academy award winning movie so I started the plot and you have a place in it. It'll be fun if we can get the story rolling in Leo's thread.
Contibuting part/s in the scenarioNow you have another role to play in a movie whee I wrote the opening scene. Leo wants an academy award winning movie so I started the plot and you have a place in it. It'll be fun if we can get the story rolling in Leo's thread.
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chris27292729: Contibuting part/s in the scenario are we getting any payment out of it???
Well Chris, you're welcomed to go the movie thread and put yourself in the movie. Don't forget to give yourself a movie name. And no, you're not getting paid
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montemonte: Well Chris, you're welcomed to go the movie thread and put yourself in the movie. Don't forget to give yourself a movie name. And no, you're not getting paid but if you're clever, you could be the one to rescue a damsel in distress.
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montemonte: She wasn't a gestational carrier. The parent provided the egg.
The mother who provided the egg doesn't have an attachment to this baby because it has medical issues that make it imperfect in her opinion. She only wants a perfect baby.
True, it won't live long BUT is it the kind thing to do to put this child through one surgery after another, to put it through so much pain for the time it has?
If a horse breaks it's leg, we shoot it rather then the horse suffer in pain until it dies. Shouldn't we have kindness in our heart for a human being.
If a soldier is shot to bits in the field I believe other soldiers end his pain. It's the best form of love you can give a person to end their suffering.
The mother who provided the egg doesn't have an attachment to this baby because it has medical issues that make it imperfect in her opinion. She only wants a perfect baby.
True, it won't live long BUT is it the kind thing to do to put this child through one surgery after another, to put it through so much pain for the time it has?
If a horse breaks it's leg, we shoot it rather then the horse suffer in pain until it dies. Shouldn't we have kindness in our heart for a human being.
If a soldier is shot to bits in the field I believe other soldiers end his pain. It's the best form of love you can give a person to end their suffering.
When someone else provide the egg then the woman carrying the baby is a gestational carrier. A surrogate is when the woman carrying the egg provided the egg herself.Anyway that's neither here nor there I guess.
As for the baby suffering then I would have to wonder why the parents did not deny any and all medical intervention from the moment of it's birth. You can do that. Why go ahead with any operations and procedures at all? Just let it die a natural death.
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That's really tactful for all those who've had ectopic pregnancies, or other induced operative abortions for a reason.
Can you imagine having to make choices like that? Maybe try before you post indiscriminate pictures again, eh?
Can you imagine having to make choices like that? Maybe try before you post indiscriminate pictures again, eh?
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jac379: Something you said previously does not water down, or negate an indiscriminate image.
Say someone had a much wanted child aborted for some reason, were grieving (I believe its somewhat difficult to overcome the loss of a child) and then they saw the pic you posted.
Are they likely to be able to hold their pain at bay while they search for your full opinion on the matter to see if you were blaming them more than they may well already blame themselves?
How short sighted can you be to post such tacky, morally double standard pictures?
Say someone had a much wanted child aborted for some reason, were grieving (I believe its somewhat difficult to overcome the loss of a child) and then they saw the pic you posted.
Are they likely to be able to hold their pain at bay while they search for your full opinion on the matter to see if you were blaming them more than they may well already blame themselves?
How short sighted can you be to post such tacky, morally double standard pictures?
I liked the image, someone is expressing an opinion.
And about the question of this poll, days ago I listened the opinion of a man born blind and what he thought about the right of parents of choose if a baby must live or die by eugenesic reasons.
Surely you could ask someone in that situation his opinion.
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GUZMAN1: I liked the image, someone is expressing an opinion.
And about the question of this poll, days ago I listened the opinion of a man born blind and what he thought about the right of parents of choose if a baby must live or die by eugenesic reasons.
Surely you could ask someone in that situation his opinion.
And about the question of this poll, days ago I listened the opinion of a man born blind and what he thought about the right of parents of choose if a baby must live or die by eugenesic reasons.
Surely you could ask someone in that situation his opinion.
With freedom of speech comes responsibility.
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The Surrogate Refused To Abort The Baby When Ultrasound Found Serious Medical Issues(Vote Below)
The baby was born with extreme medical problems and probably won't live long
In your opinion, was the surrogate selfish to give birth to a child that would suffer the rest of its life. The parents said they didn't want a sick child and neither did the surrogate.
What do you think should have be done when the ultrasound found the baby with serious medical issues?