Do you support home schooling? (121)
Jillll: It can also mean teaching your children to respond to hatred, bigotry, and ignorance with love and compassion.
Because, of course, schools don't do that do they? So in order to exercise 'your rights' over your children you are happy to consign other children to a destroyed childhood?
Iuchi_Zien: No you attempted to mock/insult me because I disagree with your views, you then try to play the injured party, it's called passive/aggressive,
Angry much.
crazyblondeone: Yep my child, my choice.
Yes it is as a parent your choice.
my choice would be to not have this guy teach. Frightening stuff.
Iuchi_Zien: As for home school of ones is the parents choice and right to do so.
Parents choice? So if I decide that I don't believe it is necessary for my children to be able to read and write I have the right so stop them learning? If I believe that we are all descended from an alien race who landed on earth 5000 years ago and humped the native monkeys I have the right to teach my children that version of history?
Or if I believe the holocaust was a jewish plot I have the right to teach my children such rubbish, and by taking them out of school prevent them from having an 'accurate' grasp of history?
Effectively I have the right to completely screw up my children's future?
Parents choice? So if I decide that I don't believe it is necessary for my children to be able to read and write I have the right so stop them learning? If I believe that we are all descended from an alien race who landed on earth 5000 years ago and humped the native monkeys I have the right to teach my children that version of history?
Or if I believe the holocaust was a jewish plot I have the right to teach my children such rubbish, and by taking them out of school prevent them from having an 'accurate' grasp of history?
Effectively I have the right to completely screw up my children's future?
Because schools are so perfect?
My daughter's teachers weren't well educated enough to teach her. They had absolutely no idea about learning differences and thought that shouting at her and punishing her constantly would make her see the white board better.
Fortunately, I didn't have to home school her as I got her a college place at the age of 15. Four years on she's studying fine art and thriving.
AustralianGirlAU: my choice would be to not have this guy teach. Frightening stuff.
Frightening isn't the word for it.More like off the wall.
Jillll: That is true that children need to interact with other children. My children had other siblings, park days, field trips, and group classes with other children as well as playing with neighborhood children. As adults now they certainly know how to be on time to their jobs as well as having a strong work ethic.
They also had more time to devote to exploring their interests than children who spent all day at school. When my older daughter was entering her senior year in hs she asked to be homeschooled the last year so she could devote more time to practicing piano. When my oldest son was in hs he developed his own curriculum for the career class he was required to take. To make a long story short, he befriended a pilot for one of the major airlines who taught both boys far more than they would ever learn in school.
All the kids were given the option of going to school and they all did for a few years but much preferred homeschooling.
They also had more time to devote to exploring their interests than children who spent all day at school. When my older daughter was entering her senior year in hs she asked to be homeschooled the last year so she could devote more time to practicing piano. When my oldest son was in hs he developed his own curriculum for the career class he was required to take. To make a long story short, he befriended a pilot for one of the major airlines who taught both boys far more than they would ever learn in school.
All the kids were given the option of going to school and they all did for a few years but much preferred homeschooling.
I agree if the parents are qualified (usually must be degreed from college - here is the US anyway) and are serious about devoting the time required to a good home school program it can be far far superior than the school expereince, especially public education. And there are plenty of other opportunities for social interaction with the ability for the parent to plan for the quality of those interactions by guiding the choice of companions while kids are still young.
in today's schools children learn to line up and respond to bells and whistles. a lot of time is spent in this for obvious and necessary reasons but time can be better spent. (srsly just think about how much time they spend standing line). Also quite honestly the school setting is becoming more dangerous as a target for gun crazies, unfortunately.
There are many good reasons to home school but the parent(s) must be dedicated. These kids often do quite well on academic achievement tests and graduate "early"
Ccincy: Yes it is as a parent your choice.
actually in Ohio there are parental qualifications. I looked into it and a friend of mine did home school. The state still provides home school parents curricular requirements and parents have to have a degree (at least back in the 90s they did). There may have other qualifiers - don't really remember
and the kids still have to pass achievement tests
In the end I think its up to every individual to work out what is best for their particular circumstances and experience. Pros and cons can be debated either way so only the family will know what is best for the long term interests.
In my case I have nothing but positive to say for my home schooling years. It prepared me well for uni and post grad
So research research research and form your own conclusions
In my case I have nothing but positive to say for my home schooling years. It prepared me well for uni and post grad
So research research research and form your own conclusions
Iuchi_Zien: So next time you see a young adult destroy his life by bombing a crowd just remember what you said, 'MY child, MY choice' Because that includes teaching children to hate.
why would assume that a parent who chooses to home school would do a poor job or prejudical job of it?
AustralianGirlAU: In the end I think its up to every individual to work out what is best for their particular circumstances and experience. Pros and cons can be debated either way so only the family will know what is best for the long term interests.
In my case I have nothing but positive to say for my home schooling years. It prepared me well for uni and post grad
So research research research and form your own conclusions
In my case I have nothing but positive to say for my home schooling years. It prepared me well for uni and post grad
So research research research and form your own conclusions
well said
my daughter's best friend was home schooled and she received an excellent education. I know for a fact that her social well being did not suffer. The girl spent a lot of time at my home with my children - often engaged in additional educational activity as well as social - with all 4 of my children. She was quite well adjusted - better so than most (IMO)
Its one of the top ten accusations...home schooled = no socialisation
to really confuse all...one of my degrees is in education.
Now pedagogy is shifting from behind bricks and mortar to open and on line.
And most uni courses we audit ...many students even full time watch the pod casts on line and dont go. So unis really have a problem with what to do with empty physical assets now.
Curtis Bonk has written a lot on this in 'the world is open'
so one really needs to research and shift from such polarist thinking grounded in 19c
Now pedagogy is shifting from behind bricks and mortar to open and on line.
And most uni courses we audit ...many students even full time watch the pod casts on line and dont go. So unis really have a problem with what to do with empty physical assets now.
Curtis Bonk has written a lot on this in 'the world is open'
so one really needs to research and shift from such polarist thinking grounded in 19c
AustralianGirlAU: my choice would be to not have this guy teach. Frightening stuff.
So you resort to insults rather than coherent arguments? could this be a result of your home schooling? Can't handle people having opposing views?
Ccincy: Frightening isn't the word for it.More like off the wall.
Yes, easier to insult than argue the case isn't it. Were you homeschooled perchance? Never learned to deal with opposing views did you?jac379: Because schools are so perfect?
My daughter's teachers weren't well educated enough to teach her. They had absolutely no idea about learning differences and thought that shouting at her and punishing her constantly would make her see the white board better.
Fortunately, I didn't have to home school her as I got her a college place at the age of 15. Four years on she's studying fine art and thriving.
My daughter's teachers weren't well educated enough to teach her. They had absolutely no idea about learning differences and thought that shouting at her and punishing her constantly would make her see the white board better.
Fortunately, I didn't have to home school her as I got her a college place at the age of 15. Four years on she's studying fine art and thriving.
Out of curiosity could she read and write at the age of fifteen? Not all schools are perfect and you have the right to change her school if you are not happy with the teaching at the school. Why did you not take advantage of that option if you were unhappy with the teachers behavior? Did you approach the school with your concerns?
Jillll: There are other avenues for playing sports besides school such as Little league for baseball.
My oldest son has a black belt in Tae Kwon Do and the younger one a red belt, something their father and I know nothing about. My younger son is also an avid rock climber, my daughter now married still dances and went to the Joffrey Ballet in New York for classes last summer.
Australiangirl pointed out that homeschool is very much self directed so parents don't need to know everything, just how to guide their children in finding answers to their questions.
There is the misconception that homeschool is just like public school but at home where the teacher spends much of the time lecturing while students take notes. Far from it. Our school day usually started about nine am and the kids would look at their assignment sheets, and choose which subject they would do first. I was there only to guide them if they needed help.
They were usually done by lunchtime. Of course, if they chose to do so, they could work after lunch and not have any schoolwork the next day. This gave them plenty of time to interact with other children and pursue their individual interests. When they did go to school, I got the same comments from all their teachers about how self directed they were in getting their work done.
My oldest son has a black belt in Tae Kwon Do and the younger one a red belt, something their father and I know nothing about. My younger son is also an avid rock climber, my daughter now married still dances and went to the Joffrey Ballet in New York for classes last summer.
Australiangirl pointed out that homeschool is very much self directed so parents don't need to know everything, just how to guide their children in finding answers to their questions.
There is the misconception that homeschool is just like public school but at home where the teacher spends much of the time lecturing while students take notes. Far from it. Our school day usually started about nine am and the kids would look at their assignment sheets, and choose which subject they would do first. I was there only to guide them if they needed help.
They were usually done by lunchtime. Of course, if they chose to do so, they could work after lunch and not have any schoolwork the next day. This gave them plenty of time to interact with other children and pursue their individual interests. When they did go to school, I got the same comments from all their teachers about how self directed they were in getting their work done.
Are you saying that a teacher who graduated from college to become a teacher goes to the house to teach your children?
Are you saying that you, the parent, didn't home school your children?
If the parent doesn't teach the child at home, what's the purpose of a teacher coming to your house to teach the child?
I thought home schooling meant that the parent wanted to teach their child at home.
montemonte: No, children need to learn to interact with other children. Going to school teaches a different kind of discipline then what they learn at home. They learn how to be on time for a class. They also learn what interests them more for the future, if they want to be a scientist or to work with the public. Children learn more in school then math.
You must be a product of the public school system, it shows in your post, you use the wrong words in some instances. The children, that I know, that have been home schooled have a much better education. They get interaction with other children by participating in things like Little League, soccer leagues, etc.
duckrew: You must be a product of the public school system, it shows in your post, you use the wrong words in some instances. The children, that I know, that have been home schooled have a much better education. They get interaction with other children by participating in things like Little League, soccer leagues, etc.
Rather condescending imo
duckrew: You must be a product of the public school system, it shows in your post, you use the wrong words in some instances. The children, that I know, that have been home schooled have a much better education. They get interaction with other children by participating in things like Little League, soccer leagues, etc.
If you're going to make an accusation (I use the wrong words) you should back it up.
Ccincy: Angry much.
If this the best you can manage, throwing insults, our school debating group would have crushed you. it really is quite sad how quickly, supposedly, 'educated' people resort to mockery and insults when their beliefs/views are questioned. Shows a distinct failing in their education, I think.
Iuchi_Zien: Yes, easier to insult than argue the case isn't it. Were you homeschooled perchance? Never learned to deal with opposing views did you?
I'm not insulting anyone or arguing.You just seem like a very angry man to me.
No I was never home schooled.
Only replied to a simple question and then it became personal.
duckrew: You must be a product of the public school system, it shows in your post, you use the wrong words in some instances. The children, that I know, that have been home schooled have a much better education. They get interaction with other children by participating in things like Little League, soccer leagues, etc.
And what about the children you don't know, the children left damaged by a failed education? the children left illiterate? the children left with a skewed view and with hatred instilled by their parents bigotry? but would you WANT to know those damaged individuals?
How did such a simple question turn into a total mess.
Ccincy: I'm not insulting anyone or arguing.You just seem like a very angry man to me.No I was never home schooled.Only replied to a simple question and then it became personal.
Well perhaps you might want to think before you throw out comments intended to mock or insult? Or have you forgotten that post already?
I think a lesson in argument construct may be required;
"All swans are white" is falsifiable, because it can come in conflict with the observation "this swan is black." In contrast, the statement "White swans do exist" is not falsifiable, since no counter-example is logically possible. Falsifiability exploits this asymmetry of deductive logic with respect to universal and existential statements to attempt to solve the problem of demarcation.
2. Reductio ad absurdum
(Latin: "reduction to absurdity"), also known as argumentum ad absurdum (Latin: argument from absurdity), is a common form of argument which seeks to demonstrate that a statement is true by showing that a false, untenable, or absurd result follows from its denial, or in turn to demonstrate that a statement is false by showing that a false, untenable, or absurd result follows from its acceptance.
All I can see here is bias, emotion and illogical conclusions based on flawed reasoning and constructs.
"All swans are white" is falsifiable, because it can come in conflict with the observation "this swan is black." In contrast, the statement "White swans do exist" is not falsifiable, since no counter-example is logically possible. Falsifiability exploits this asymmetry of deductive logic with respect to universal and existential statements to attempt to solve the problem of demarcation.
2. Reductio ad absurdum
(Latin: "reduction to absurdity"), also known as argumentum ad absurdum (Latin: argument from absurdity), is a common form of argument which seeks to demonstrate that a statement is true by showing that a false, untenable, or absurd result follows from its denial, or in turn to demonstrate that a statement is false by showing that a false, untenable, or absurd result follows from its acceptance.
All I can see here is bias, emotion and illogical conclusions based on flawed reasoning and constructs.
Iuchi_Zien: And what about the children you don't know, the children left damaged by a failed education? the children left illiterate? the children left with a skewed view and with hatred instilled by their parents bigotry? but would you WANT to know those damaged individuals?
Case in point, Adam Lanza was home schooled by his mother.
She bought the guns for her son that killed 20 children and 6 educators at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
Adam was suffering with mental illness and his mother knew it yet she chose to home school him and pacify him with guns.
Ccincy: How did such a simple question turn into a total mess.
Because it is not a simple question. It is a question of whether parents have the right to screw up their children's lives. I don't doubt there are some parents out there who take the responsibility of teaching their children with the upmost seriousness, but there are also parents who destroy their children's life chances and childhood with home schooling. The question is are we going to accept the destruction caused to children by some parents so others can exercise their 'rights' over their children. I believe the right to an education is essential and if this impacts on parents rights then tough, live with it, because children are only young once and will not get another childhood if their parents eff it up.
Iuchi_Zien: Because it is not a simple question. It is a question of whether parents have the right to screw up their children's lives. I don't doubt there are some parents out there who take the responsibility of teaching their children with the upmost seriousness, but there are also parents who destroy their children's life chances and childhood with home schooling. The question is are we going to accept the destruction caused to children by some parents so others can exercise their 'rights' over their children. I believe the right to an education is essential and if this impacts on parents rights then tough, live with it, because children are only young once and will not get another childhood if their parents eff it up.
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It can also mean teaching your children to respond to hatred, bigotry, and ignorance with love and compassion.