which is more ignorant? believing there is a god or believing there is no possibility of one? (289)
mrali: Choice.......... God is choice........Ahhh,may God pity on you
Sir, God is Fact and we should blieve,non blievers are known as athiest and thier place is hell.
Sir, God is Fact and we should blieve,non blievers are known as athiest and thier place is hell.
If God is fact...show me the evidence!! As simple as that
Conrad73: Come on,the Man's English isn't the Issue at hand!
But the common sense is bery important.........
Conrad73: Come on,the Man's English isn't the Issue at hand!
But the common sense is very important.........
galwaydave: which is more ignorant? believing there is a god or believing there is no possibility of one?
Which is more ignorant, assuming a person is guilty until proven innocent, or assuming that the accused is innocent until proven guilty?
"Guilty until proven innocent" is the same faulty logic as "god exists until disproven". Innocent until proven guilty is the same solid logic as "god" doesn't exist until proven. It's also the same logical process used in mathematics, science and technology. That computer you're reading this on would not exist if "true until proven false" were the basis of science.
If the religious had the honesty to admit that they can't prove their "god" exists, exactly how would that prevent them from believing in it? It wouldn't, and an honest person would admit that. The religious, however, and especially the rabidly religious, want a different burden of proof for their religion because they know they can't prove it. To admit that a "god" can't be proven in any testable and verifiable way would preclude any attempt to impose religion upon the law and society in general. Religion would become a strictly private matter, as it should be.
The agnostic view that "maybe it's true, and maybe it isn't" is fine when you're talking philosophy, semantics and sophistry, but in the real world, all propositions are either false or true. They cannot be both.
The null hypothesis of "false until proven true" doesn't make assertions without evidence, nor does it deny that something can't be true. All it does is place the burden of proof on those making the claim, that the onus is upon the claimant to produce the evidence. Only those who know their claim is empty and false would have a problem with that.
pretzelman: If God is fact...show me the evidence!! As simple as that
i have write in the previuos sessions,plz take a look on it
universe is evidence of God,
mrali: Choice.......... God is choice........Ahhh,may God pity on you
Sir, God is Fact and we should blieve,non blievers are known as athiest and thier place is hell.
Sir, God is Fact and we should blieve,non blievers are known as athiest and thier place is hell.
M, he's right in a way...believing in God is a choice. And this is why I say it's ignorant to try to tell others that your beliefs are the only right ones. We don't know that...we can only believe it, no matter which side one is on.
You choose to see God in everything around you, as do I. You choose to see that God as Allah, and to believe what your books teach you is correct and true. That doesn't mean it's correct and true...just that it's correct and true for you. My beliefs in God are different than yours...and are correct and true for me, but wouldn't be for you. That doesn't make either of us right or wrong overall. Nor is Crotty's lack of belief wrong...it's right for him.
Neither of you will convince each other, or anyone else, that your beliefs, or lack of beliefs, are correct as absolute truth. To try to do so is what I believe is ignorant.
Love you both. Peace out.
mrali: i have write in the previuos sessions,plz take a look on it
universe is evidence of God,
universe is evidence of God,
No sir...that is called FAITH...not evidence!!
mrali: i have write in the previuos sessions,plz take a look on it
universe is evidence of God,
universe is evidence of God,
No, it's not scientific evidence, M. Yes, to me it's evidence, and to you it's evidence, because of each of our belief systems...but to those who need hard, scientific evidence, it's not...and never will be.
druidess6308: M, he's right in a way...believing in God is a choice. And this is why I say it's ignorant to try to tell others that your beliefs are the only right ones. We don't know that...we can only believe it, no matter which side one is on.
You choose to see God in everything around you, as do I. You choose to see that God as Allah, and to believe what your books teach you is correct and true. That doesn't mean it's correct and true...just that it's correct and true for you. My beliefs in God are different than yours...and are correct and true for me, but wouldn't be for you. That doesn't make either of us right or wrong overall. Nor is Crotty's lack of belief wrong...it's right for him.
Neither of you will convince each other, or anyone else, that your beliefs, or lack of beliefs, are correct as absolute truth. To try to do so is what I believe is ignorant.
Love you both. Peace out.
You choose to see God in everything around you, as do I. You choose to see that God as Allah, and to believe what your books teach you is correct and true. That doesn't mean it's correct and true...just that it's correct and true for you. My beliefs in God are different than yours...and are correct and true for me, but wouldn't be for you. That doesn't make either of us right or wrong overall. Nor is Crotty's lack of belief wrong...it's right for him.
Neither of you will convince each other, or anyone else, that your beliefs, or lack of beliefs, are correct as absolute truth. To try to do so is what I believe is ignorant.
Love you both. Peace out.
dru ,we cannot make our God/Gods our self it is atheism and God does not like it
yes ,Quran is true,the Quran is sent by God,and our benefit is to be the bliever of God(Allah)Do u know that God sent the jesus and all other prophets for our guidence,but unfortunatly at that time many of peoples were against them and did not accept or follow them,what was the reward for them by God? Only Plague
pretzelman: No sir...that is called FAITH...not evidence!!
Faith is a flake of Evidence
hornswoggled: Which is more ignorant, assuming a person is guilty until proven innocent, or assuming that the accused is innocent until proven guilty?
"Guilty until proven innocent" is the same faulty logic as "god exists until disproven". Innocent until proven guilty is the same solid logic as "god" doesn't exist until proven. It's also the same logical process used in mathematics, science and technology. That computer you're reading this on would not exist if "true until proven false" were the basis of science.
If the religious had the honesty to admit that they can't prove their "god" exists, exactly how would that prevent them from believing in it? It wouldn't, and an honest person would admit that. The religious, however, and especially the rabidly religious, want a different burden of proof for their religion because they know they can't prove it. To admit that a "god" can't be proven in any testable and verifiable way would preclude any attempt to impose religion upon the law and society in general. Religion would become a strictly private matter, as it should be.
The agnostic view that "maybe it's true, and maybe it isn't" is fine when you're talking philosophy, semantics and sophistry, but in the real world, all propositions are either false or true. They cannot be both.
The null hypothesis of "false until proven true" doesn't make assertions without evidence, nor does it deny that something can't be true. All it does is place the burden of proof on those making the claim, that the onus is upon the claimant to produce the evidence. Only those who know their claim is empty and false would have a problem with that.
"Guilty until proven innocent" is the same faulty logic as "god exists until disproven". Innocent until proven guilty is the same solid logic as "god" doesn't exist until proven. It's also the same logical process used in mathematics, science and technology. That computer you're reading this on would not exist if "true until proven false" were the basis of science.
If the religious had the honesty to admit that they can't prove their "god" exists, exactly how would that prevent them from believing in it? It wouldn't, and an honest person would admit that. The religious, however, and especially the rabidly religious, want a different burden of proof for their religion because they know they can't prove it. To admit that a "god" can't be proven in any testable and verifiable way would preclude any attempt to impose religion upon the law and society in general. Religion would become a strictly private matter, as it should be.
The agnostic view that "maybe it's true, and maybe it isn't" is fine when you're talking philosophy, semantics and sophistry, but in the real world, all propositions are either false or true. They cannot be both.
The null hypothesis of "false until proven true" doesn't make assertions without evidence, nor does it deny that something can't be true. All it does is place the burden of proof on those making the claim, that the onus is upon the claimant to produce the evidence. Only those who know their claim is empty and false would have a problem with that.
Agreed.
And this is why I don't tell anyone that their belief or lack thereof is wrong. I know what I believe, and the truth will be known after I die, not while I'm alive. I'm content to have my faith w/o needing proof, nor needing to prove it to others, and accept those who don't believe as having the same right. I even understand why they don't believe, since empirical evidence is lacking.
druidess6308: No, it's not scientific evidence, M. Yes, to me it's evidence, and to you it's evidence, because of each of our belief systems...but to those who need hard, scientific evidence, it's not...and never will be.
Actually ,i did not read scientific Books,i have only read the quran,All the science is mentionded clearly in quran,and the quran is thousands of years old book ,
mrali: dru ,we cannot make our God/Gods our self it is atheism and God does not like it
yes ,Quran is true,the Quran is sent by God,and our benefit is to be the bliever of God(Allah)Do u know that God sent the jesus and all other prophets for our guidence,but unfortunatly at that time many of peoples were against them and did not accept or follow them,what was the reward for them by God? Only Plague
yes ,Quran is true,the Quran is sent by God,and our benefit is to be the bliever of God(Allah)Do u know that God sent the jesus and all other prophets for our guidence,but unfortunatly at that time many of peoples were against them and did not accept or follow them,what was the reward for them by God? Only Plague
Again, this is your belief, M...that doesn't make it absolute Truth. Just makes it true for you and others with this belief.
mrali: Faith is a flake of Evidence
No, it's not. Faith is something one has when there is no evidence.
mrali: Faith is a flake of Evidence
you got part of it right
druidess6308: Again, this is your belief, M...that doesn't make it absolute Truth. Just makes it true for you and others with this belief.
Dru,i am an educated person so i donot blieve in only myth,
it is absloute truth,i mentioned all the things clear,i think science is not strong or powerfull than the creation of God,also science is related wth the creation of God.
Its more ignorant to believe there is no possibility of god cause science is still trying to prove it every day.And believing in god is just like believin in santaclaus or rudolph the rednose reindeer by the way,that can still be innocent and faith is a personal conviction.
Just a scientifical fact.
Just a scientifical fact.
I could just as easily say there is no God because I dreamed that he came to me and told me he didn't exist! Is that any stranger than believing he really does exist? 
It's more a matter of if your deluded, rather than ignorance.
galwaydave: just something i want to know
Dru wrote: "Nor is Crotty's lack of belief wrong...it's right for him."
YES it's Right for HIM!!!
Good to know I won't have to share space in the afterlife with him
Only have to deal with him in the NOW, on CS!
Sorry Crot... just couldn't resist!
I still have my moments...
YES it's Right for HIM!!!
Good to know I won't have to share space in the afterlife with him
Only have to deal with him in the NOW, on CS! Sorry Crot... just couldn't resist! I still have my moments... druidess6308: Crotty, I didn't expect you to believe in the research, for it goes against everything you believe, or your lack of beliefs, but the evidence is showing that we have a soul. I think in time, there will be more.
Now I don’t believe it because it is fundamentally flawed , 
rodolpho: Its more ignorant to believe there is no possibility of god cause science is still trying to prove it every day.And believing in god is just like believin in santaclaus or rudolph the rednose reindeer by the way,that can still be innocent and faith is a personal conviction.
Just a scientifical fact.
Just a scientifical fact.
No problem,entire science is giving the evidence of God
Go to the Medical science,how they make the medicines?what are the ingredents of medicines,Ans: The herbs and chemicals
Who grow the herbs?science is silent
go to the engineering
What are the ingredents in cement? Stone and wack
Who creat the stone and wack?science is silent
Go to the Telecommunication
What are the sources for the travel of signals?Ans:Oxigin
Who creat the oxigin?science is silent
So like that there are thousnads of evidence for the thinker
but unfortunatly their brain are blocked
crotalus_p: Now I don’t believe it because it is fundamentally flawed ,
Why? this is a scientific prove
mrali: Ok listen, look at the natural things,look at the sun,look at the moon,why and how they are on their constant place?
You need to look up the big bang theory mrali: So brother,these things are not and cannot be control,these are undercontrol of God
No they are under control of the laws of physics , you flawed logic seems to be “I do not understand there for god did it”mrali: Dru,i am an educated person so i donot blieve in only myth,
it is absloute truth,i mentioned all the things clear,i think science is not strong or powerfull than the creation of God,also science is related wth the creation of God.
it is absloute truth,i mentioned all the things clear,i think science is not strong or powerfull than the creation of God,also science is related wth the creation of God.
But you already stated your science comes from the Q'ran, not scientific texts. Sorry, but that is why it's not absolute truth, but belief/faith...nor is it scientific in origin, but religious.
HealthyLiving: Dru wrote: "Nor is Crotty's lack of belief wrong...it's right for him."YES it's Right for HIM!!!
Good to know I won't have to share space in the afterlife with him Only have to deal with him in the NOW, on CS!
Sorry Crot... just couldn't resist! I still have my moments...
Good to know I won't have to share space in the afterlife with him Only have to deal with him in the NOW, on CS!
Sorry Crot... just couldn't resist! I still have my moments...
This is everything in a nutshell....none of us really KNOW anything....the only proof we will have will be after we die. Then it is too late to debate! Death will answer all question and open the closed mind,,,Starlin
mrali: Why? this is a scientific prove
Ah, but not enough for him and other atheists. I knew it wouldn't be when I posted it.
M, you'll never win this argument, and neither will he...this is my point that trying to do so is really what is ignorant.
mrali: Why? this is a scientific prove
I think you should watch more discovery.
If its so easy to prove mister, we would all believe, wouldnt we?
So whos brain is in a block now?
druidess6308: M, he's right in a way...believing in God is a choice. .
No it is absolutely 100% not a choice you either believe in something or you do not you can not choose to believe 
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By the way ur point is not Good.....definatly ur blieve is not right