Should Texas seced from the Union if the US Federal Goverment continues with what its been doing? (145)
jlw45Moyers, Oklahoma USA66 Threads 1 Polls 15,566 Postsjaynimble: Texas will be fine financially. They hava alot of natural resources and a very expensive one too! OIL and they also have the Dalas Cowboys cheerleads!! Thats got to count for something. lol
i'de rather watch them, than the cowboys...
.....the refinerys would be the big card in the deck
adamisk: ok i will say it the government will not allow texas to recede . bribes death threats assassination all sorts of dirty deeds buried in red tape but texas receding into an individual country opens up a large security risk for the united states i will almost promise you it will not happen .
You are completely correct about the security risks. Texas would definitely have it's work cut out in protecting itself. However...the United States loves to rush to the aid of other countries...so really Texas would probably get more help that way...
lrrh77: You are completely correct about the security risks. Texas would definitely have it's work cut out in protecting itself. However...the United States loves to rush to the aid of other countries...so really Texas would probably get more help that way...
You mean that they would raise our NM taxes to help you out????
No way. I spend enough in sales tax over there to support a small country.
Indyfella: The oklahoma panhandle would probably droop too.
naaaa, that's why texas will never fall off into the gulf like california into the pacific after the "big" earthquake.....because oklahoma sucks... ladyfingers: Yes, we could have buses going across the border like they do in El Paso. One time I went down to Nogales and they wouldn't let me come back until I produced a birth certificate!!! Of course, I wasn't a blond back then.
And I bet that caused some problems. Glad you got it worked out tho.
lrrh77: And I bet that caused some problems. Glad you got it worked out tho.
Well, my husband was all for throwing me out and making a run for it.
Indyfella: I wonder if Texas would be willing to declare war on Vermont? I'd be for that.
i know quit a few texans that would be willing to do that....ladyfingers: You mean that they would raise our NM taxes to help you out????
No way. I spend enough in sales tax over there to support a small country.
No way. I spend enough in sales tax over there to support a small country.
LOL...that seems to be the American way...does it not
adamisk: don't believe me it's ok but i stand by it the united states gov. can not and will not allow texas to fold .
i agree...i'm finding it harder and harder to find "folding" money every day...
....ladyfingers: Well, my husband was all for throwing me out and making a run for it.
Of course he was. Husbands can be very helpful like that.
lrrh77: LOL...that seems to be the American way...does it not
Did anyone ever see the movie "The Mouse that Roared" with Peter Sellers...about a small nation that made war on the US in order to get money to rebuild???? Maybe the US could make war with Texas and the US could get money to be rebuilt. ha ha ha
jaynimble: Well that would be an interesting dilema then. The US Federal Goverment would not want texas to secede but wouldn't use military force. I wonder if they would isoloate people from traveling and buying stuff in texas.
i believe there is enough texans for texas to sale its wares to... ladyfingers: If Texas cecedes, will Bush be it's president??
Heck no. Chuck Norris willladyfingers: Did anyone ever see the movie "The Mouse that Roared" with Peter Sellers...about a small nation that made war on the US in order to get money to rebuild???? Maybe the US could make war with Texas and the US could get money to be rebuilt. ha ha ha
now you're thinkin....
jlw45: i believe there is enough texans for texas to sale its wares to...
If texas did secede, there would be a lot of imigrents to texasUSThumper: If texas did secede, there would be a lot of imigrents to texas
damn!! we already have that now... jlw45: damn!! we already have that now...
Yeah, but I flat out refuse to give up my guns. If I have to move to Texas to keep them, I would
I hope this help with all your fun.
Q: Did the terms of Texas's admission to the Union include permission to withdraw if it found statehood not to its liking?
It is said of Texas (and, occasionally, Vermont) that it received a letter or document of permission to withdraw from the Federal Union if it so chose. In the case of Texas, this permission is sometimes said to have been granted at the time of Texas's admission as a state. Other times it is said to have been included in the terms readmitting Texas to the Union after the Civil War.
In fact, Texas received no special terms in its admission to the Union. Once Texas had agreed to join the Union, she never had the legal option of leaving, either before or after the Civil War.
The early years of the United States had seen a great deal of debate over whether states could, in fact, legally withdraw from the Union. During the War of 1812 it was New England that wanted to secede from the rest of the country. Later, it was the Southern states. Secessionists argued that states were sovereign and had the right to withdraw from the Union. Opponents countered that the Constitution created a sovereign union that, once entered into, could never be broken. Eventually, the question was put to the test and settled permanently on the battlefields of the Civil War.
The Presidential Proclamation declaring peace between the United States and Texas after the Civil War, dated August 20, 1866, states very clearly in the following passage that no state had the right to leave the Union (emphasis added in all capitals):
This is a little off point. And I do understand what you are saying here.
But this comes straight from GWB desk from when he was govenor of Texas. I submitted a proposal to the southern states seeking to set up a air fire attack operation (was the summer of Florida's wildfires)that was based and funded by a number of the SE States.
This would reduce costs and aircraft numbers....as they could be flown into which ever state had a wildfire going. CA runs its version of this very successfully.
Circulated the proposal among all the SE states including Texas.
GWB wrote a nice reply letter....stating that the founding charter of Texas forbids it from entering into multi state agreements. TX and FL were the two biggest wildfire states....with the largest number of fires....so without Texas on board it was a dead proposal.
But GWB hands were tied because of the TX founding charter.
I think that if you dig enough into that founding charter and its legislation of the period....you will find the right to succeed, Desmond. Texans when they wrote their founding documents, were very leary of entry into the Union.
The Union was going thru some real difficult times then....they wanted an out if possible.
This inability to sign multi state agreements kind of indicates that to me. That while they could be a state, they did not want 'full admission as a state'. Even then Union States could do multi state agreements....railroads are a good example.....when they crossed state lines....they had to have right of ways approved by multiple states. But Texas could not enter into those multi state agreement back then.
Q: Did the terms of Texas's admission to the Union include permission to withdraw if it found statehood not to its liking?
It is said of Texas (and, occasionally, Vermont) that it received a letter or document of permission to withdraw from the Federal Union if it so chose. In the case of Texas, this permission is sometimes said to have been granted at the time of Texas's admission as a state. Other times it is said to have been included in the terms readmitting Texas to the Union after the Civil War.
In fact, Texas received no special terms in its admission to the Union. Once Texas had agreed to join the Union, she never had the legal option of leaving, either before or after the Civil War.
The early years of the United States had seen a great deal of debate over whether states could, in fact, legally withdraw from the Union. During the War of 1812 it was New England that wanted to secede from the rest of the country. Later, it was the Southern states. Secessionists argued that states were sovereign and had the right to withdraw from the Union. Opponents countered that the Constitution created a sovereign union that, once entered into, could never be broken. Eventually, the question was put to the test and settled permanently on the battlefields of the Civil War.
The Presidential Proclamation declaring peace between the United States and Texas after the Civil War, dated August 20, 1866, states very clearly in the following passage that no state had the right to leave the Union (emphasis added in all capitals):
This is a little off point. And I do understand what you are saying here.
But this comes straight from GWB desk from when he was govenor of Texas. I submitted a proposal to the southern states seeking to set up a air fire attack operation (was the summer of Florida's wildfires)that was based and funded by a number of the SE States.
This would reduce costs and aircraft numbers....as they could be flown into which ever state had a wildfire going. CA runs its version of this very successfully.
Circulated the proposal among all the SE states including Texas.
GWB wrote a nice reply letter....stating that the founding charter of Texas forbids it from entering into multi state agreements. TX and FL were the two biggest wildfire states....with the largest number of fires....so without Texas on board it was a dead proposal.
But GWB hands were tied because of the TX founding charter.
I think that if you dig enough into that founding charter and its legislation of the period....you will find the right to succeed, Desmond. Texans when they wrote their founding documents, were very leary of entry into the Union.
The Union was going thru some real difficult times then....they wanted an out if possible.
This inability to sign multi state agreements kind of indicates that to me. That while they could be a state, they did not want 'full admission as a state'. Even then Union States could do multi state agreements....railroads are a good example.....when they crossed state lines....they had to have right of ways approved by multiple states. But Texas could not enter into those multi state agreement back then.
USThumper: Yeah, but I flat out refuse to give up my guns. If I have to move to Texas to keep them, I would
i here ya, brother... 
ttom500: I hope this help with all your fun.
Q: Did the terms of Texas's admission to the Union include permission to withdraw if it found statehood not to its liking?
It is said of Texas (and, occasionally, Vermont) that it received a letter or document of permission to withdraw from the Federal Union if it so chose. In the case of Texas, this permission is sometimes said to have been granted at the time of Texas's admission as a state. Other times it is said to have been included in the terms readmitting Texas to the Union after the Civil War.
In fact, Texas received no special terms in its admission to the Union. Once Texas had agreed to join the Union, she never had the legal option of leaving, either before or after the Civil War.
The early years of the United States had seen a great deal of debate over whether states could, in fact, legally withdraw from the Union. During the War of 1812 it was New England that wanted to secede from the rest of the country. Later, it was the Southern states. Secessionists argued that states were sovereign and had the right to withdraw from the Union. Opponents countered that the Constitution created a sovereign union that, once entered into, could never be broken. Eventually, the question was put to the test and settled permanently on the battlefields of the Civil War.
The Presidential Proclamation declaring peace between the United States and Texas after the Civil War, dated August 20, 1866, states very clearly in the following passage that no state had the right to leave the Union (emphasis added in all capitals):
This is a little off point. And I do understand what you are saying here.
But this comes straight from GWB desk from when he was govenor of Texas. I submitted a proposal to the southern states seeking to set up a air fire attack operation (was the summer of Florida's wildfires)that was based and funded by a number of the SE States.
This would reduce costs and aircraft numbers....as they could be flown into which ever state had a wildfire going. CA runs its version of this very successfully.
Circulated the proposal among all the SE states including Texas.
GWB wrote a nice reply letter....stating that the founding charter of Texas forbids it from entering into multi state agreements. TX and FL were the two biggest wildfire states....with the largest number of fires....so without Texas on board it was a dead proposal.
But GWB hands were tied because of the TX founding charter.
I think that if you dig enough into that founding charter and its legislation of the period....you will find the right to succeed, Desmond. Texans when they wrote their founding documents, were very leary of entry into the Union.
The Union was going thru some real difficult times then....they wanted an out if possible.
This inability to sign multi state agreements kind of indicates that to me. That while they could be a state, they did not want 'full admission as a state'. Even then Union States could do multi state agreements....railroads are a good example.....when they crossed state lines....they had to have right of ways approved by multiple states. But Texas could not enter into those multi state agreement back then.
Q: Did the terms of Texas's admission to the Union include permission to withdraw if it found statehood not to its liking?
It is said of Texas (and, occasionally, Vermont) that it received a letter or document of permission to withdraw from the Federal Union if it so chose. In the case of Texas, this permission is sometimes said to have been granted at the time of Texas's admission as a state. Other times it is said to have been included in the terms readmitting Texas to the Union after the Civil War.
In fact, Texas received no special terms in its admission to the Union. Once Texas had agreed to join the Union, she never had the legal option of leaving, either before or after the Civil War.
The early years of the United States had seen a great deal of debate over whether states could, in fact, legally withdraw from the Union. During the War of 1812 it was New England that wanted to secede from the rest of the country. Later, it was the Southern states. Secessionists argued that states were sovereign and had the right to withdraw from the Union. Opponents countered that the Constitution created a sovereign union that, once entered into, could never be broken. Eventually, the question was put to the test and settled permanently on the battlefields of the Civil War.
The Presidential Proclamation declaring peace between the United States and Texas after the Civil War, dated August 20, 1866, states very clearly in the following passage that no state had the right to leave the Union (emphasis added in all capitals):
This is a little off point. And I do understand what you are saying here.
But this comes straight from GWB desk from when he was govenor of Texas. I submitted a proposal to the southern states seeking to set up a air fire attack operation (was the summer of Florida's wildfires)that was based and funded by a number of the SE States.
This would reduce costs and aircraft numbers....as they could be flown into which ever state had a wildfire going. CA runs its version of this very successfully.
Circulated the proposal among all the SE states including Texas.
GWB wrote a nice reply letter....stating that the founding charter of Texas forbids it from entering into multi state agreements. TX and FL were the two biggest wildfire states....with the largest number of fires....so without Texas on board it was a dead proposal.
But GWB hands were tied because of the TX founding charter.
I think that if you dig enough into that founding charter and its legislation of the period....you will find the right to succeed, Desmond. Texans when they wrote their founding documents, were very leary of entry into the Union.
The Union was going thru some real difficult times then....they wanted an out if possible.
This inability to sign multi state agreements kind of indicates that to me. That while they could be a state, they did not want 'full admission as a state'. Even then Union States could do multi state agreements....railroads are a good example.....when they crossed state lines....they had to have right of ways approved by multiple states. But Texas could not enter into those multi state agreement back then.
Yeah we've already seen that
USThumper: Yeah, but I flat out refuse to give up my guns. If I have to move to Texas to keep them, I would
Well...we can always use another gorgeous man in Texas! We'll even teach ya some Texisms...
If moving to texas would preserve my freedoms, so be it. Go texas 
Charli15695: Well...we can always use another gorgeous man in Texas! We'll even teach ya some Texisms...
we can always use another gorgeous man in texas!?!???......SAYS WHO???.... 
ttom500: I hope this help with all your fun.
Q: Did the terms of Texas's admission to the Union include permission to withdraw if it found statehood not to its liking?
It is said of Texas (and, occasionally, Vermont) that it received a letter or document of permission to withdraw from the Federal Union if it so chose. In the case of Texas, this permission is sometimes said to have been granted at the time of Texas's admission as a state. Other times it is said to have been included in the terms readmitting Texas to the Union after the Civil War.
In fact, Texas received no special terms in its admission to the Union. Once Texas had agreed to join the Union, she never had the legal option of leaving, either before or after the Civil War.
The early years of the United States had seen a great deal of debate over whether states could, in fact, legally withdraw from the Union. During the War of 1812 it was New England that wanted to secede from the rest of the country. Later, it was the Southern states. Secessionists argued that states were sovereign and had the right to withdraw from the Union. Opponents countered that the Constitution created a sovereign union that, once entered into, could never be broken. Eventually, the question was put to the test and settled permanently on the battlefields of the Civil War.
The Presidential Proclamation declaring peace between the United States and Texas after the Civil War, dated August 20, 1866, states very clearly in the following passage that no state had the right to leave the Union (emphasis added in all capitals):
This is a little off point. And I do understand what you are saying here.
But this comes straight from GWB desk from when he was govenor of Texas. I submitted a proposal to the southern states seeking to set up a air fire attack operation (was the summer of Florida's wildfires)that was based and funded by a number of the SE States.
This would reduce costs and aircraft numbers....as they could be flown into which ever state had a wildfire going. CA runs its version of this very successfully.
Circulated the proposal among all the SE states including Texas.
GWB wrote a nice reply letter....stating that the founding charter of Texas forbids it from entering into multi state agreements. TX and FL were the two biggest wildfire states....with the largest number of fires....so without Texas on board it was a dead proposal.
But GWB hands were tied because of the TX founding charter.
I think that if you dig enough into that founding charter and its legislation of the period....you will find the right to succeed, Desmond. Texans when they wrote their founding documents, were very leary of entry into the Union.
The Union was going thru some real difficult times then....they wanted an out if possible.
This inability to sign multi state agreements kind of indicates that to me. That while they could be a state, they did not want 'full admission as a state'. Even then Union States could do multi state agreements....railroads are a good example.....when they crossed state lines....they had to have right of ways approved by multiple states. But Texas could not enter into those multi state agreement back then.
Q: Did the terms of Texas's admission to the Union include permission to withdraw if it found statehood not to its liking?
It is said of Texas (and, occasionally, Vermont) that it received a letter or document of permission to withdraw from the Federal Union if it so chose. In the case of Texas, this permission is sometimes said to have been granted at the time of Texas's admission as a state. Other times it is said to have been included in the terms readmitting Texas to the Union after the Civil War.
In fact, Texas received no special terms in its admission to the Union. Once Texas had agreed to join the Union, she never had the legal option of leaving, either before or after the Civil War.
The early years of the United States had seen a great deal of debate over whether states could, in fact, legally withdraw from the Union. During the War of 1812 it was New England that wanted to secede from the rest of the country. Later, it was the Southern states. Secessionists argued that states were sovereign and had the right to withdraw from the Union. Opponents countered that the Constitution created a sovereign union that, once entered into, could never be broken. Eventually, the question was put to the test and settled permanently on the battlefields of the Civil War.
The Presidential Proclamation declaring peace between the United States and Texas after the Civil War, dated August 20, 1866, states very clearly in the following passage that no state had the right to leave the Union (emphasis added in all capitals):
This is a little off point. And I do understand what you are saying here.
But this comes straight from GWB desk from when he was govenor of Texas. I submitted a proposal to the southern states seeking to set up a air fire attack operation (was the summer of Florida's wildfires)that was based and funded by a number of the SE States.
This would reduce costs and aircraft numbers....as they could be flown into which ever state had a wildfire going. CA runs its version of this very successfully.
Circulated the proposal among all the SE states including Texas.
GWB wrote a nice reply letter....stating that the founding charter of Texas forbids it from entering into multi state agreements. TX and FL were the two biggest wildfire states....with the largest number of fires....so without Texas on board it was a dead proposal.
But GWB hands were tied because of the TX founding charter.
I think that if you dig enough into that founding charter and its legislation of the period....you will find the right to succeed, Desmond. Texans when they wrote their founding documents, were very leary of entry into the Union.
The Union was going thru some real difficult times then....they wanted an out if possible.
This inability to sign multi state agreements kind of indicates that to me. That while they could be a state, they did not want 'full admission as a state'. Even then Union States could do multi state agreements....railroads are a good example.....when they crossed state lines....they had to have right of ways approved by multiple states. But Texas could not enter into those multi state agreement back then.
Well Tom what I posted was not something I came up with I copy it from the Texas State Archives and Commision and as you said it is a little wrong I am sure they will be greatful for all your help setting them str8
jaynimble: If moving to texas would preserve my freedoms, so be it. Go texas
there's a lotta' great land in west texas...right around midland and odessa... jlw45: there's a lotta' great land in west texas...right around midland and odessa...
Yeah, I got a dvd put out by a couple of towns in the panhandle looking for people to start farms. But Ive actually been thinking about around El PasoUSThumper: Yeah, I got a dvd put out by a couple of towns in the panhandle looking for people to start farms. But Ive actually been thinking about around El Paso
well then, you'de definately better not leave your guns behind... What kind of grains normally are grown in texas? or some Common Ones
jaynimble: What kind of grains normally are grown in texas? or some Common Ones
rice.....wheat.....corn....oats....desmond: Well Tom what I posted was not something I came up with I copy it from the Texas State Archives and Commision and as you said it is a little wrong I am sure they will be greatful for all your help setting them str8
Desmond, respectfully I know that. Just saying that GWB did not pull the restriction on multi state agreements out of his hat. He might, over the years, pulled a few other things out of his hat.:-)
But not this. He likely had the Texas State Attroney review the proposal of entering into the agreement on such a air fire attack unit.
Someone in the TX State Attroney office found the conflicting law someplace.
He just gave me the short dreaded denial letter. So I don't have much more than what has been said to offer here.
TX had lost houses that year to fire. I had several other SE states on board,so the State governors and gov'ts were talking about this air fire attack unit to each other.....so my thinking at the time was while TX wanted to... legally it could not. And they are not going to rewrite founding documents to have a such a service.
I did not even challenge them on the denial. Which is a option that proposer can choose. So I am not trying to set anyone str8. Just sharing a expereince that seemed to have some application to the topic.
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