BebeII: Clinton doesn't deliver reports-the CIA does. Clinton had opportunities to kill or capture Bin Laden and did nothing. To say that if Gore had become President that 9-11 wouldn't have happened is sheer fantasy Dude. You should know better.
Bin laden was offered up by the somalians in a deal that was rejected by the repubs.
One of OReilly of FOXX biggest complaints with the Obama Administration is that he feels Obama is going to put both civilian and military Americans at greater risk.
I think that OReilly might be on to something.
Article in yesterday WSJ. US Revisits Afghan Battle Rules by Yochi J. Dreazen.
First, President Obama just made a command change in Afghanistan. The new US Commander there is one, Gen. McChrystal. McChrystal has been rewriting the engagement rules of using bombs and large caliber weapons. This comes after the incident of the Granal, that occurred during the Karzai and Obama meetings. Where a disputed number of Afghans were killed by airstrikes.
But this is how the new rules of engagement have been changed.
First, the rules for using airstrikes for NATO and Afhgan forces are different than using airstrikes for US Forces. For NATO and Afghan forces only "danger" needs to be determined for a airstrike order. For US Force can call in airsrikes if they are in "fear of being overrun, can't leave an area safety or need to evacuate wounded."
A big difference between the rules of engagement for NATO and Afghan forces and for US Forces.
Rear Adm Gregory Smith, Gen. McChrystal spokeman, says "this is trying to make it clear as possible that risking civilian lives for the sole goal of killing the enemy is not acceptable."
In my opinion, these new rules put American combat forces into greater danger. NATO commanders saw this and refused them, that is why the NATO rules are different.
Under the new rules, two of the airstrikes at Gramal would not have occurred. Investigator are thinking that it was these airstrikes that killed the civilians. The preliminary reports on Gramal, was that the Taliban used human shields.
The last line in the article reads "Those two strikes would have been prohibited under the new rules because they were designed to kill Taliban fighters, not to allow US and Afghan forces to safely leave the village."
Does anyone remember bombing rice paddies in Vet Nam??? Sen John McCain does. When the rules of engagement are written by the White House in such a narrow manner, American lives on the ground and in the air are placed into greater risk.
I know Bebe. Bin Laden was offered to Clinton. Any form revisionist history a yoke to me. Like you make scrambled eggs with. So put a smile on your face.....
ttom500: I know Bebe. Bin Laden was offered to Clinton. Any form revisionist history a yoke to me. Like you make scrambled eggs with. So put a smile on your face.....
Better? And wasn't Clinton playing golf when Sandy Berger called him about a chance to kill OBL and Clinton, knowing what the call was about, refused to pick it up? Or am I wrong?
I just saw a video on NeptunusLex with Sheppard Smith where a pilot had 12-14 Taliban nutters in his sights and he had to ask for permission to engage 6 times before the all clear came through.
Dude, I want you to stop and think for a moment. Where do you think that Pres. A got the idea he could steal the Iranian election with ballot box stuffing? Why run that play by our current White House holder?
I know to embarress him...by showing he cannot do anything in a foreign country when violence occurs etc. etc. etc.... To show he is weak and indecisive etc. etc. etc.....To show that the youth movement he lead here does not work there.etc. etc. etc.
But where did he get the original idea?
Maybe it was on Obama failed condemming of ACORN voting registeries scam? Maybe he saw Obama was weak in supporting fair democractic process? Maybe he realized if he pulled stunt like this....President Obama would be facing these questions of ACORN again.
Ballot box stuffing and fraudlent election registeries are pretty close to the same thing.
Still think that one man one vote does not matter?
BebeII: Better? And wasn't Clinton playing golf when Sandy Berger called him about a chance to kill OBL and Clinton, knowing what the call was about, refused to pick it up? Or am I wrong?
The way I heard this....was Berger was on duty desk at the NSA. It was night. They had gotten an eyes team on binLaden at the camp. To launch (fire) they need a approval from Washington.
Which is one of those little bad ideas the DEM have that you can micro manage a conflict from DC.
Anyways the eye team places a call to command....Berger picks up. Says he needs approval from Clinton. Eyes team says...get it...we don't know how long he is here. Berger begins to vasculate...looking in his rules of engagement...to see if has approval already.
By the way....I read McGovern book on how rules of engagement were changed under GWB. Now the JAG in the regional command post has the rules of engagement. They make the decision as the unit talks to them. What it is now the Obama rules....likely they have to get approval from the terrorist's next of kin.....
Back to Berger and Clinton. Berger says I don't have authorization to launch, let me call Clinton. It is one of those 3am phone calls. Now not saying that Hillary has been here and done that, but I have always wondered how she came up with that phrase and if this was it.
Anyways Clinton is hard to find. Finally they find him.....he says I have a asprinin factory in Africa that needs ventilation as well....make it a two fer. One to Africa only 5000 miles away from binLaden;s eye team's position and one to his camp in Afghanistan.
By now the eyes team has fallen asleep. Just yoking, No....they were concerned about being compromised....kept shifting positions...so could not give last moment corrections to bin Laden's position. So one asprinin factory ventilate for $1.6m and one bin Laden boasting of how the US fires $1.6m cruise missiles at him.
The thing that really bugs me about this...is not they missed. Heck anyone can miss. But they during the campaign, they kept the CBS from doing the documentary on it. They supressed freedom of speech and they avoided the heat that the people of the US should give them.
By they way....one know can see how Sandy Berger was convinced to go to the Library of Congress to place the classified NSA documents under his soxes and pants. What Axelrod and Emmauel will be doing for President Obama if the trillion dollar bond forgeries in PI are connected to the FED and White House is going to make Sandy Berger look like a boy scout.:-)
ttom500: The way I heard this....was Berger was on duty desk at the NSA. It was night. They had gotten an eyes team on binLaden at the camp. To launch (fire) they need a approval from Washington.
Which is one of those little bad ideas the DEM have that you can micro manage a conflict from DC.
Anyways the eye team places a call to command....Berger picks up. Says he needs approval from Clinton. Eyes team says...get it...we don't know how long he is here. Berger begins to vasculate...looking in his rules of engagement...to see if has approval already. By the way....I read McGovern book on how rules of engagement were changed under GWB. Now the JAG in the regional command post has the rules of engagement. They make the decision as the unit talks to them. What it is now the Obama rules....likely they have to get approval from the terrorist's next of kin.....
Back to Berger and Clinton. Berger says I don't have authorization to launch, let me call Clinton. It is one of those 3am phone calls. Now not saying that Hillary has been here and done that, but I have always wondered how she came up with that phrase and if this was it.
Anyways Clinton is hard to find. Finally they find him.....he says I have a asprinin factory in Africa that needs ventilation as well....make it a two fer. One to Africa only 5000 miles away from binLaden;s eye team's position and one to his camp in Afghanistan.
By now the eyes team has fallen asleep. Just yoking, No....they were concerned about being compromised....kept shifting positions...so could not give last moment corrections to bin Laden's position. So one asprinin factory ventilate for $1.6m and one bin Laden boasting of how the US fires $1.6m cruise missiles at him.
The thing that really bugs me about this...is not they missed. Heck anyone can miss. But they during the campaign, they kept the CBS from doing the documentary on it. They supressed freedom of speech and they avoided the heat that the people of the US should give them.
By they way....one know can see how Sandy Berger was convinced to go to the Library of Congress to place the classified NSA documents under his soxes and pants. What Axelrod and Emmauel will be doing for President Obama if the trillion dollar bond forgeries in PI are connected to the FED and White House is going to make Sandy Berger look like a boy scout.:-)
O.K.-Thanks for clearing that up. Dear old Sandy Burglar.
Sojourner: Conrad, I've read many of your reactionary posts about the state of American politics, gun laws, etc. It isn't surprising you think this particular post is a clever response. News flash: It isn't...it is just another illustration of your limitations. Sneering is what you do best.
The last I heard he was running thru Tehan and had both reform protesters and Basij militia in case. The protester were crying...where is my vote. The Basij militia were saying..... stand still....I cannot hit a moving target.
The last I heard he was running thru Tehan and had both reform protesters and Basij militia in chase.:-) The protester were crying...where is my vote. The Basij militia were saying..... stand still....I cannot hit a moving target.
ttom500: The last I heard he was running thru Tehan and had both reform protesters and Basij militia in chase.:-) The protester were crying...where is my vote. The Basij militia were saying..... stand still....I cannot hit a moving target.
North Korea just threatened to restart the Korean War. Don't they know that President Obama has enough crisis at present!!! Do they want this man to turn into a chain smoker??
Imagine restarting the Korean war over a ship carrying ________ (fill in the blank with your choice of)
A) enough small arms and rounds to make every local pawn shop owner envious B) Rockets and missiles for resale to Iran's Pres. A C) Nuclear process equipment for resale to Iran and Pres. A D) Heck just get it over just the big nuc for resale to Iran and Pres. A E) All of the above
to the country of Mynmar.
President Obama has been planning the for this moment in time for months. He has... in behind the scene coalition building......and in devious diplomacy....and in shrewd geo political prepared to invade NKorea using Chinese troops.
Now before you giggle me out of the post.
Here is what he has done:
1) We just gave China, Hummer from the GM bailout and bankruptcy.....a troop carrying vehicle with the abilities to negotiate those NKorean mountains. 2) Had the Chinese provide a performance bond in the tune of $767b dollar of T-Bills purchases for the use of their military in this invason. Performance bonds willl assure that those Chinese soldiers do cross the border. 3) Sent Hillary Clinton, Nancy Polosi, John Kerry and Tim Ganther to China to be living human sacrifices if we reneg on the deal.Those that returned to states were cheap Chinese DNA imitiations.
Q. So what is the deal that President Obama negotiated with the Chinese? What did we agree to give China, for it to invade NKorea?
A. All of the United States. Remember when the Chinese wanted emmitte domian on their US investment? Well after the first Chinese soldier steps (e.r. make that rides across the border in a Hum Vee) across the NKorean border to invade NKorea. The Chinese ambassador to the United States will execute a emmitt domian order for all of the United States to the White House.
The third language of the country will be Mandrin. The Chinese have asked for the SW border fence be taken down.....so that Mexico can be next.... don't laugh if you live north of the border....I hear that Canada is number three on their list.
North Korea just threatened to restart the Korean War. Don't they know that President Obama has enough crisis at present!!! Do they want this man to turn into a chain smoker??
Imagine restarting the Korean war over a ship carrying ________ (fill in the blank with your choice of)
A) enough small arms and rounds to make every local pawn shop owner envious B) Rockets and missiles for resale to Iran's Pres. A C) Nuclear process equipment for resale to Iran and Pres. A D) Heck just get it over just the big nuc for resale to Iran and Pres. A E) All of the above
to the country of Mynmar.
President Obama has been planning the for this moment in time for months. He has... in behind the scene coalition building......and in devious diplomacy....and in shrewd geo political prepared to invade NKorea using Chinese troops.
Now before you giggle me out of the post.
Here is what he has done:
1) We just gave China, Hummer from the GM bailout and bankruptcy.....a troop carrying vehicle with the abilities to negotiate those NKorean mountains. 2) Had the Chinese provide a performance bond in the tune of $767b dollar of T-Bills purchases for the use of their military in this invason. Performance bonds willl assure that those Chinese soldiers do cross the border. 3) Sent Hillary Clinton, Nancy Polosi, John Kerry and Tim Ganther to China to be living human sacrifices if we reneg on the deal.Those that returned to states were cheap Chinese DNA imitiations.
Q. So what is the deal that President Obama negotiated with the Chinese? What did we agree to give China, for it to invade NKorea?
A. All of the United States. Remember when the Chinese wanted emmitte domian on their US investment? Well after the first Chinese soldier steps (e.r. make that rides across the border in a Hum Vee) across the NKorean border to invade NKorea. The Chinese ambassador to the United States will execute a emmitt domian order for all of the United States to the White House.
The third language of the country will be Mandrin. The Chinese have asked for the SW border fence be taken down.....so that Mexico can be next.... don't laugh if you live north of the border....I hear that Canada is number three on their list.
Tom tom....adjust the medication before it is too late...you are sounding just like Dude without the CAPITAL LETTERS!!!
North Korea just threatened to restart the Korean War. Don't they know that President Obama has enough crisis at present!!! Do they want this man to turn into a chain smoker??
Now now...he's 95% quit, per his quote. I suppose that's like being 95% non-pregnant.
Fallingman: It's a tough call whether he makes more sense than you three amigos or not! I'm leaning towards yes....but every so often he lets me down!
Dennis Millar and his family are headed to a vacation in Japan.
So he has confidence in President Obama plan here.
So he plans to be in the region when the first strikes from the aircraft launched from the aircraft carriers. Then a massive ground invasion from China to finish them off.
When President Obama says 'don't tread on me' .....he means it!!!
Hillary, I hear is taking the imprisonment in China a little hard. She concerned that Bill and the Chinese DNA imitiation might get a little to friendly.
John Kerry is telling the Chinese jailors...this reminds him when he was in north Vet Nam Prison for 5 years,...4 years.....3 years.....2 years.......1 years.......6 months?
Tom Gather has been forced to give the Chinese the serial number of the trillion dollar bond forgery in the PI.
It was Nancy Polosi DNA imiatiion that got into the CIA "they lie to us all the time". Then her circuitry went bad and she forgot the CIA breifing talking of EIT being done in GITMO. As I said it was cheap Chinese DNA....in duplication process.
Obama's master plan explains it all, Fallingman......
LOl...I listened to the second OReilly/Franks interview tonight.
The first one, I thought they were going to rip each other body parts off. I was happy that it was not a face to face interview. But a video interview. To much blood on the set for my taste.
This one? Was kissy face and huggy body interview. By the end, both are in agreement and with smiley faces and doing happy dances for the other. I felt warm fuzzies all over. And knew that liberal legislators and conservative media could walk on the same planet with out fear of attack from the other.
Just marking it down, as the strange times we live in.
Ok, that was supposed to say somali man. The m went awol! Anyhoo, the story goes 2 weeks after 9/11 the taliban offered up bin laden in a deal with the US. One of the conditions was that he b tried in a muslim country. The saudi's offered, but alas the deal fell through.
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Bin laden was offered up by the somalians in a deal that was rejected by the repubs.