Is Obama doing a good job? (410)
southtc: Yes, it is "friggin" dangerous for a President to ask the citizens of a country to inform on other citizens because they don't agree with his policies. It smacks of Russia and the KGB. I don't know what kind of government you have down under, no right to free speech if you're under British law, but we have rights here that guarantee things like this don't happen here, and Obama knows that.
One last thing, get a spell checker or a dictionary.
One last thing, get a spell checker or a dictionary.
British law!!!!
shows how much u know whats outside your borders.And when u start attacking 'the man' and not 'the ball' it proves even more my theories on how u undemocratically and ad-homenimen attack opposing views.
Your falling into your own trap
ttom500: Huckabee is tlaking about the Health care program now.
The Senate version and the House version are different. The Seante will make the States responsible for 10% after the first year. There is not guarantee that this will not be increased. Usually it is.
Most states are just holding their own budget wise. And a few like California are already bankrupt.
The concern is that the Senate version of the Health care will bankrupt many of the states.
Now the House version, does not have a State sharing.
But this Senate DEM leadership is bascially forcing the States to participate in a National Health care program....that they had little or no say in. Remember the old saying "no taxation without representation'. Heck we fought a Civil War over this thing (State Rights) one time. But this is how much the DEMs are over stepping their Constitutional boundaries today.
The Senate version and the House version are different. The Seante will make the States responsible for 10% after the first year. There is not guarantee that this will not be increased. Usually it is.
Most states are just holding their own budget wise. And a few like California are already bankrupt.
The concern is that the Senate version of the Health care will bankrupt many of the states.
Now the House version, does not have a State sharing.
But this Senate DEM leadership is bascially forcing the States to participate in a National Health care program....that they had little or no say in. Remember the old saying "no taxation without representation'. Heck we fought a Civil War over this thing (State Rights) one time. But this is how much the DEMs are over stepping their Constitutional boundaries today.
I agree tom, but it aint just a dem thing. The r's been doing it too and neither is right
ttom500: Southtc, you and me think way to much a like......
There's getting to be more and more like that every day. Too bad it didn't happen before the election.
velvetUG: British law!!!! shows how much u know whats outside your borders.
And when u start attacking 'the man' and not 'the ball' it proves even more my theories on how u undemocratically and ad-homenimen attack opposing views.
Your falling into your own trap
And when u start attacking 'the man' and not 'the ball' it proves even more my theories on how u undemocratically and ad-homenimen attack opposing views.
Your falling into your own trap
We have enough trouble here to worry about other countries. Matter of fact I am very please to say that I really don't care how y'all run your lives.... not my problem and nothing I can do aboput it if it was.
One of Huckabee's guests just said the Health Care is going to go like this.
They (the DEMs) will pass a bill with very little discussion or reading. Remember teh second TARP bill...no discussion or reading.
Then they will let the Washington Beuarcacy put the details to it.
Meaning those CSARs....unelected and largely unknown.....will be the ones that really are determining what this Federal Health Care plan is.
Also on senior citizens health care. Huckabee has a senior health care expert on.....says that seniors should not be scared of Obama care....the crowd groaned....but says that seniors require the most of the health care. That greying of American will cause even more.
Says the problem is the way DR are paid. That Dr are paid by the procedures they write. The more procedures the more they are paid.
That Obamacare is only going force them to order more procedures to make up for the decrease in the rates.
He says that Obamacare is not health care rationing. But that we have two many wrong procedures being ordered by the Drs.
I agree with most of that.
They (the DEMs) will pass a bill with very little discussion or reading. Remember teh second TARP bill...no discussion or reading.
Then they will let the Washington Beuarcacy put the details to it.
Meaning those CSARs....unelected and largely unknown.....will be the ones that really are determining what this Federal Health Care plan is.
Also on senior citizens health care. Huckabee has a senior health care expert on.....says that seniors should not be scared of Obama care....the crowd groaned....but says that seniors require the most of the health care. That greying of American will cause even more.
Says the problem is the way DR are paid. That Dr are paid by the procedures they write. The more procedures the more they are paid.
That Obamacare is only going force them to order more procedures to make up for the decrease in the rates.
He says that Obamacare is not health care rationing. But that we have two many wrong procedures being ordered by the Drs.
I agree with most of that.
ttom500: One of Huckabee's guests just said the Health Care is going to go like this.
They (the DEMs) will pass a bill with very little discussion or reading. Remember teh second TARP bill...no discussion or reading.
Then they will let the Washington Beuarcacy put the details to it.
Meaning those CSARs....unelected and largely unknown.....will be the ones that really are determining what this Federal Health Care plan is.
Also on senior citizens health care. Huckabee has a senior health care expert on.....says that seniors should not be scared of Obama care....the crowd groaned....but says that seniors require the most of the health care. That greying of American will cause even more.
Says the problem is the way DR are paid. That Dr are paid by the procedures they write. The more procedures the more they are paid.
That Obamacare is only going force them to order more procedures to make up for the decrease in the rates.
He says that Obamacare is not health care rationing. But that we have two many wrong procedures being ordered by the Drs.
I agree with most of that.
They (the DEMs) will pass a bill with very little discussion or reading. Remember teh second TARP bill...no discussion or reading.
Then they will let the Washington Beuarcacy put the details to it.
Meaning those CSARs....unelected and largely unknown.....will be the ones that really are determining what this Federal Health Care plan is.
Also on senior citizens health care. Huckabee has a senior health care expert on.....says that seniors should not be scared of Obama care....the crowd groaned....but says that seniors require the most of the health care. That greying of American will cause even more.
Says the problem is the way DR are paid. That Dr are paid by the procedures they write. The more procedures the more they are paid.
That Obamacare is only going force them to order more procedures to make up for the decrease in the rates.
He says that Obamacare is not health care rationing. But that we have two many wrong procedures being ordered by the Drs.
I agree with most of that.
This is the way I have understood it.
I have read the house bill from beginning to end and it really does scare the hell out of me.... mainly the stuff that says this will be added later.... what the hell is that?
kissmedeeply: She is entitled to her opinion as anyone
Zeelander: We have enough trouble here to worry about other countries. Matter of fact I am very please to say that I really don't care how y'all run your lives.... not my problem and nothing I can do aboput it if it was.
The sad thing about this zee, is that some here are probably more informed on the politics in the US than 50% of your voting population
velvetUG: I agree tom, but it aint just a dem thing. The r's been doing it too and neither is right
Kissmedeeply, VelvetUG and other not of the US (to be politically correct):-)
I don't mind your opinions and comments on American politics, government or life.....if they are honest and straight forward.
Just realize our system of government is very different that a
parlimentary system. Though you cannot see it much....we normally don't have opposition parties and in power parties. In power parties here mean control of both the Executive and both sides Congress.
We normally have a minority and majority parties. Minority party can have control one of the House, Senate or Presidency. That gives it a great deal of say in the government process.
But we do have opposition and in power parties today. So our normal mild political debate has turned harder and more vile of recent.
In the past many people have asked many times....why don't American stand up? It is largely this minority and majority thingee...that kept the debate mild. That gone.....look for a hot political summer here.
DEMs have been demonizing the town hallers...which in my opinion is reproachable. No American should demonize another. And the town hallers have been doing shout outs....which again in my opinion is reproachable. Little is gained in shout out but media exposure.
Both show a disrespect for the system, the country and its people.
jmo
rockerdude: he is going to destroy the american folk he is recruiting his own kind into office pushing the white out bringing the black in
when the time is right every state will be ruled by his kind
and whites will be nothing but i doubt if some of the american folk will let it by he will end up like kennedy
when the time is right every state will be ruled by his kind
and whites will be nothing but i doubt if some of the american folk will let it by he will end up like kennedy
And then u get this^^^^^^^
velvetUG: The sad thing about this zee, is that some here are probably more informed on the politics in the US than 50% of your voting population
I would say about 80%+ of our voting population. They vote because they are given stuff and taken to the polling station.... I wonder what the dead are given?
Kissmedeeply, VelvetUG and other not of the US (to be politically correct):-)
I don't mind your opinions and comments on American politics, government or life.....if they are honest and straight forward.
Just realize our system of government is very different that a
parlimentary system. Though you cannot see it much....we normally don't have opposition parties and in power parties. In power parties here mean control of both the Executive and both sides Congress.
We normally have a minority and majority parties. Minority party can have control one of the House, Senate or Presidency. That gives it a great deal of say in the government process.
But we do have opposition and in power parties today. So our normal mild political debate has turned harder and more vile of recent.
In the past many people have asked many times....why don't American stand up(quote)
I agree tom on your theoritical points.
However, i believe perhaps we might know more about how it all works than what u think we do.
I don't mind your opinions and comments on American politics, government or life.....if they are honest and straight forward.
Just realize our system of government is very different that a
parlimentary system. Though you cannot see it much....we normally don't have opposition parties and in power parties. In power parties here mean control of both the Executive and both sides Congress.
We normally have a minority and majority parties. Minority party can have control one of the House, Senate or Presidency. That gives it a great deal of say in the government process.
But we do have opposition and in power parties today. So our normal mild political debate has turned harder and more vile of recent.
In the past many people have asked many times....why don't American stand up(quote)
I agree tom on your theoritical points.
However, i believe perhaps we might know more about how it all works than what u think we do.
velvetUG: Kissmedeeply, VelvetUG and other not of the US (to be politically correct):-)
I don't mind your opinions and comments on American politics, government or life.....if they are honest and straight forward.
Just realize our system of government is very different that a
parlimentary system. Though you cannot see it much....we normally don't have opposition parties and in power parties. In power parties here mean control of both the Executive and both sides Congress.
We normally have a minority and majority parties. Minority party can have control one of the House, Senate or Presidency. That gives it a great deal of say in the government process.
But we do have opposition and in power parties today. So our normal mild political debate has turned harder and more vile of recent.
In the past many people have asked many times....why don't American stand up(quote)
I agree tom on your theoritical points.
However, i believe perhaps we might know more about how it all works than what u think we do.
I don't mind your opinions and comments on American politics, government or life.....if they are honest and straight forward.
Just realize our system of government is very different that a
parlimentary system. Though you cannot see it much....we normally don't have opposition parties and in power parties. In power parties here mean control of both the Executive and both sides Congress.
We normally have a minority and majority parties. Minority party can have control one of the House, Senate or Presidency. That gives it a great deal of say in the government process.
But we do have opposition and in power parties today. So our normal mild political debate has turned harder and more vile of recent.
In the past many people have asked many times....why don't American stand up(quote)
I agree tom on your theoritical points.
However, i believe perhaps we might know more about how it all works than what u think we do.
No i correct you..
My husband is from the US..so i know alot more then you think i do
velvetUG: British law!!!! shows how much u know whats outside your borders.
It shows I keep my nose in my own countries affairs and don't comment on others. It also shows me you don't know how to read and comprehend. Lets try this again. I'll bold the words you obviously missed or didn't understand.
I said that "I don't know what kind of government you have down under, no right to free speech if you're under British law, but we have rights here that guarantee things like this don't happen here, and Obama knows that." What part of that didn't you understand?
"I don't know"..what does that mean to you?
"if"..what does that word mean?
Where there were a few things I didn't know about Australia, it appears I know a few things more than you, like your Head of State is the Queen of England, laws may be your own (I didn't look that far into it and you do not have public freedom of speech guaranteed you like we do and only limited political freedom of speech. I'll let you research that on your own, I've already devoted more time to you than should have been necessary.
Needless to say, your leaders could do to you what Obama is trying to do to us with his tattle-tale program and there's nothing you could do about it unlike here where we're protected from such a heinous violation of our constitutional rights. But then that should be no problem to you, as you've stated. Sheep.
In response to: And when u start attacking 'the man' and not 'the ball' it proves even more my theories on how u undemocratically and ad-homenimen attack opposing views.
Your falling into your own trap
Your falling into your own trap
Again, you have no idea what you are talking about as to what's going on here and refuse to inform yourself like I did with Australia. In other words, Obama's perfect voter. Too bad for him you're not here, he's going to need every vote he can get come 2012.
ttom500: Kissmedeeply, VelvetUG and other not of the US (to be politically correct):-)
I don't mind your opinions and comments on American politics, government or life.....if they are honest and straight forward.
Just realize our system of government is very different that a
parlimentary system. Though you cannot see it much....we normally don't have opposition parties and in power parties. In power parties here mean control of both the Executive and both sides Congress.
We normally have a minority and majority parties. Minority party can have control one of the House, Senate or Presidency. That gives it a great deal of say in the government process.
But we do have opposition and in power parties today. So our normal mild political debate has turned harder and more vile of recent.
In the past many people have asked many times....why don't American stand up? It is largely this minority and majority thingee...that kept the debate mild. That gone.....look for a hot political summer here.
DEMs have been demonizing the town hallers...which in my opinion is reproachable. No American should demonize another. And the town hallers have been doing shout outs....which again in my opinion is reproachable. Little is gained in shout out but media exposure.
Both show a disrespect for the system, the country and its people.
jmo
I don't mind your opinions and comments on American politics, government or life.....if they are honest and straight forward.
Just realize our system of government is very different that a
parlimentary system. Though you cannot see it much....we normally don't have opposition parties and in power parties. In power parties here mean control of both the Executive and both sides Congress.
We normally have a minority and majority parties. Minority party can have control one of the House, Senate or Presidency. That gives it a great deal of say in the government process.
But we do have opposition and in power parties today. So our normal mild political debate has turned harder and more vile of recent.
In the past many people have asked many times....why don't American stand up? It is largely this minority and majority thingee...that kept the debate mild. That gone.....look for a hot political summer here.
DEMs have been demonizing the town hallers...which in my opinion is reproachable. No American should demonize another. And the town hallers have been doing shout outs....which again in my opinion is reproachable. Little is gained in shout out but media exposure.
Both show a disrespect for the system, the country and its people.
jmo
i quess this is to you..
My Husband is from the US..so i think i know more then what you think i know..
and he doesnt agree one bit about Obama
kissmedeeply: i quess this is to you..
My Husband is from the US..so i think i know more then what you think i know..
and he doesnt agree one bit about Obama
My Husband is from the US..so i think i know more then what you think i know..
and he doesnt agree one bit about Obama
With Obama or about views of Obama?
velvetUG: Kissmedeeply, VelvetUG and other not of the US (to be politically correct):-)
I don't mind your opinions and comments on American politics, government or life.....if they are honest and straight forward.
Just realize our system of government is very different that a
parlimentary system. Though you cannot see it much....we normally don't have opposition parties and in power parties. In power parties here mean control of both the Executive and both sides Congress.
We normally have a minority and majority parties. Minority party can have control one of the House, Senate or Presidency. That gives it a great deal of say in the government process.
But we do have opposition and in power parties today. So our normal mild political debate has turned harder and more vile of recent.
In the past many people have asked many times....why don't American stand up(quote)
I agree tom on your theoritical points.
However, i believe perhaps we might know more about how it all works than what u think we do.
I don't mind your opinions and comments on American politics, government or life.....if they are honest and straight forward.
Just realize our system of government is very different that a
parlimentary system. Though you cannot see it much....we normally don't have opposition parties and in power parties. In power parties here mean control of both the Executive and both sides Congress.
We normally have a minority and majority parties. Minority party can have control one of the House, Senate or Presidency. That gives it a great deal of say in the government process.
But we do have opposition and in power parties today. So our normal mild political debate has turned harder and more vile of recent.
In the past many people have asked many times....why don't American stand up(quote)
I agree tom on your theoritical points.
However, i believe perhaps we might know more about how it all works than what u think we do.
Well then you know that for the US.....we don't normally have these drag out, take no prisoners, political issues/debates. Unlike the British Parlimentary system....where they sit in the opposed to each other....often yelling at the other side.....we sit side by side across a aisleway.
But it goes even deeper than that.
The Constitution was written to negate strong heated debate. Sure the bill of rights and declaration of independence are all strongly worded documents. But the Constitution was the formal document of 'how' the government was to be run and conducted.
Where today do we see men of such stature as the framers of the Constitution? Many had hoped that President Obama was such a man.
Maybe he can be. But so far.........
The framers, like Jefferson and Adams, could agree to disagree and still accomplish the difficult task of goverance and ligislation. Presently Pres. Obama has flamed the health care debate rather than calming it. Yesterday, he talked of the mess he inherited for a giggle at a DEM breakfast. Four weeks earlier, he said that the economy was now his...when asked.
So what is it? A giggle and ideology politics for DEMs because they are in power. Or do they really care about the country and its people. Because those town hallers.....they are Americans of all parties and a cross section of ind, conservative and liberal. The DEMs are in the process of isolating themselves from the country on this issue. JMO
The more I have watched the DEM process of goverace the last 6 months.....it is a giggle and ideology politics that most are playing.
Southtc, you have just proved how little u do know about the federation of australia, our free speech laws and how integral they are to us as a nation.
We have more free speech here than the US.
Check out 'chasers war on everything' if u dont believe me.
U would never see a show like that in america.
We also have a truth in media law.(check out mediawatch.com.au)
Your last statement is strange and does not even refer to what i was addressing in my post u quoted.
We have more free speech here than the US.
Check out 'chasers war on everything' if u dont believe me.
U would never see a show like that in america.
We also have a truth in media law.(check out mediawatch.com.au)
Your last statement is strange and does not even refer to what i was addressing in my post u quoted.
kissmedeeply: i quess this is to you..
My Husband is from the US..so i think i know more then what you think i know..
and he doesnt agree one bit about Obama
My Husband is from the US..so i think i know more then what you think i know..
and he doesnt agree one bit about Obama
Likewise KMD.
My partner is american and is right winged in his views.
Just because i dont live there doesnt mean i dont know whats going on there and in other parts of the world
velvetUG: Southtc, you have just proved how little u do know about the federation of australia, our free speech laws and how integral they are to us as a nation.
We have more free speech here than the US.
Check out 'chasers war on everything' if u dont believe me.
U would never see a show like that in america.
We also have a truth in media law.(check out mediawatch.com.au)
Your last statement is strange and does not even refer to what i was addressing in my post u quoted.
We have more free speech here than the US.
Check out 'chasers war on everything' if u dont believe me.
U would never see a show like that in america.
We also have a truth in media law.(check out mediawatch.com.au)
Your last statement is strange and does not even refer to what i was addressing in my post u quoted.
Maybe not for much longer, Velvet. If the federal government pass their new communications & internet access laws , basically we will have far reaching censorship . Damn family First party they so annoy me.steve6611: Maybe not for much longer, Velvet. If the federal government pass their new communications & internet access laws , basically we will have far reaching censorship . Damn family First party they so annoy me.
Allo u!
Yes they are like fleas that annoy the old dog.
Mind u while we consider them far right (only to be outdone by one nation), the US would view them as centre right
velvetUG: Allo u!
Yes they are like fleas that annoy the old dog.
Mind u while we consider them far right (only to be outdone by one nation), the US would view them as centre right
Yes they are like fleas that annoy the old dog.
Mind u while we consider them far right (only to be outdone by one nation), the US would view them as centre right
seriously, these rightist, leftist, far-right, center-right, far-left, ceter-left make my little head spin so hard
velvetUG: Allo u!
Yes they are like fleas that annoy the old dog.
Mind u while we consider them far right (only to be outdone by one nation), the US would view them as centre right
Yes they are like fleas that annoy the old dog.
Mind u while we consider them far right (only to be outdone by one nation), the US would view them as centre right
they wanted all adult content sites banned & now forums like this because we are impressionable & may get hurt
Its becoming a joke , the Greens arent too bad but they have their wacko days & dont get me started on the SA independant senator
It shows i keep my nose out of other countries affairs (quote)
But your governments dont.
Your country has been involved in more skullduggery than any other since the industrialized world came into fruition
They have gone into places where they werent wanted in the first place, then slapped the citz on the back with an i.o.u.
Btw, my partner says to say hello to u all.
(Hes an ex marine)
But your governments dont.
Your country has been involved in more skullduggery than any other since the industrialized world came into fruition
They have gone into places where they werent wanted in the first place, then slapped the citz on the back with an i.o.u.
Btw, my partner says to say hello to u all.
(Hes an ex marine)
To spare the MANY examples of how Obama has screwed up, mismanaged, spending like someone who thinks the dollar is Monopoly money, etc., let me just simply answer this question the best way I think should sum up Obama: pwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah whahahahahahha hahahahahhahahahahhahahha
mean, maybe Obama is confused and overwhelmed at the moment 
steve6611: they wanted all adult content sites banned & now forums like this because we are impressionable & may get hurt
Its becoming a joke , the Greens arent too bad but they have their wacko days & dont get me started on the SA independant senator
Its becoming a joke , the Greens arent too bad but they have their wacko days & dont get me started on the SA independant senator
Yes we have to be protected from these evil places for our own good.
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The Senate version and the House version are different. The Seante will make the States responsible for 10% after the first year. There is not guarantee that this will not be increased. Usually it is.
Most states are just holding their own budget wise. And a few like California are already bankrupt.
The concern is that the Senate version of the Health care will bankrupt many of the states.
Now the House version, does not have a State sharing.
But this Senate DEM leadership is bascially forcing the States to participate in a National Health care program....that they had little or no say in. Remember the old saying "no taxation without representation'. Heck we fought a Civil War over this thing (State Rights) one time. But this is how much the DEMs are over stepping their Constitutional boundaries today.