nitemare667: hell yea thats ignorance, just to annoy her i would gain 400 pounds and sit right next to her on a bus eireann bus just to annoy her for her discrimation
i cudnt sit in the same room never mind next to someone like that
scousedonLiverpool, Cheshire, England UK1,643 posts
Konigsberg: I agree,Lee. People with overweight problems will go whole 9 yards to find an excuses, to blame somebody who is thousand miles away, media,friends, lovers for their shortcomings. Even more, I feel they even try to bring themselves being overweight to a status of discrimination.
I do not feel myself comfortable to be among overweight people ... I feel like it is something is wrong with me ... not with them.
scousedonLiverpool, Cheshire, England UK1,643 posts
scorpiosiren: not getting ye
I think Konisberg was expressing the opinion that political correctness make those that feel dicriminated against make the potential discriminator feel uneasy. Maybe if I am wrong she will correct me. As a man I always feel I have to conform to standards I may not agree with. ie: going up to a "fat" women and saying eat less burgers would deem me a "fattest". I feel uneasy to express an opinion in case being accused of some "ism"
I've read a few posts now that make the common assumption that all overwieght people are that way becuase they are lazy and have poor eating habits. That is not always the case!!!!
Some have thyroid problems, some struggle with diabetes (and not all diabetics are as such from a poor diet)
Women also put on weight becuase of their choice of birth control.
Not all women have an easy time losing baby weight after child birth.
Men and Women both put on weight if they are prescribed steriods for any reason. Which is common to fight off allergic reactions and build up respiratory systems.
If only people would take a moment to try to understand instead of just assuming the worst of the person based on their physical appearance.
RDM59: I would agree that we are conditioned to like what we see, the media and the advertisers see to that ! In times gone by BBW was in vouge. It represented health, wealth and fertility. Thin women were from the poverty class. The paintings and a statues of the masters clearly show how they were honoured and desired.
It is just the wrong era for BBW, stated BMW at this years car of the year show .......
nitemare667: Now some people on this will make a statement about my post but im only stating my opinion so please take no offence to what i write ok.
Personally myself, i have no preference to women as of such, BBW, curvy, skinny etc. however, men do miss out on BBW.
T.v, billboards, magazines and other forms of advertisment 9 times out of 10 you will see a size 8 woman, now them doing so they instantly say to us that a woman looking like that is the perfect woman, but if they had size 16+ women on such levels of fashion, then everyone else will want to have a BBW, its fashion we all look at wether you see it or not.
My answer to your question sarah is that there are men out there to absolutely adore BBW such as yourself and there will be others you wont, and if you are single i hope for you to find a man deserving to have you for speaking your opinion in this forum, not many people i know would make a poll like this.
I agree completely. People are sheep. If a size 0 gets put on the cover of a magazine then every woman wants to be a size 0 and every man wants the size 0 woman. People are sheep.
scousedonLiverpool, Cheshire, England UK1,643 posts
lrrh77: I've read a few posts now that make the common assumption that all overwieght people are that way becuase they are lazy and have poor eating habits. That is not always the case!!!!
Some have thyroid problems, some struggle with diabetes (and not all diabetics are as such from a poor diet)
Women also put on weight becuase of their choice of birth control.
Not all women have an easy time losing baby weight after child birth.
Men and Women both put on weight if they are prescribed steriods for any reason. Which is common to fight off allergic reactions and build up respiratory systems.
If only people would take a moment to try to understand instead of just assuming the worst of the person based on their physical appearance.
You are correct that there are many reasons for being over and underweight but the site of an obese man or woman walking through the street with a big mac, turns my stomach and wants me to shout put that down, you are killing yourself. (how hypocritical being a smoker myself) But smokers seem to be fair game). Yeah ban smokers from Pubs but McDonalds is advertised everywhere, both big costs to our health service????
scousedonLiverpool, Cheshire, England UK1,643 posts
lrrh77: I agree completely. People are sheep. If a size 0 gets put on the cover of a magazine then every woman wants to be a size 0 and every man wants the size 0 woman. People are sheep.
Oh no, would hate a size 0 but would not want size 18 either. Please accept men and women I think are realistic to want Joe/Joanna average.
scousedon: You are correct that there are many reasons for being over and underweight but the site of an obese man or woman walking through the street with a big mac, turns my stomach and wants me to shout put that down, you are killing yourself. (how hypocritical being a smoker myself) But smokers seem to be fair game). Yeah ban smokers from Pubs but McDonalds is advertised everywhere, both big costs to our health service????
yes that i can agree with. I very dear friend of mine is obese and yet he doesn't do much about it. I often times want to slap the french fries out of his hands.
And yes hypocritical of you since you smoke Everyone has a vice. Some it's cigs, some its alcohol, some its sweets. And yes both cigarette smoking and obesity take a large toll on the healthcare dollars.
to be truth ful darling! depends on the individual, ive had some beautiful full figured women, but most men would say they need a big woman for warmth in the winter, shade in the summer
scousedonLiverpool, Cheshire, England UK1,643 posts
lrrh77: yes that i can agree with. I very dear friend of mine is obese and yet he doesn't do much about it. I often times want to slap the french fries out of his hands.
And yes hypocritical of you since you smoke Everyone has a vice. Some it's cigs, some its alcohol, some its sweets. And yes both cigarette smoking and obesity take a large toll on the healthcare dollars.
Good job I only have two of the vices you mentioned
scousedon: Oh no, would hate a size 0 but would not want size 18 either. Please accept men and women I think are realistic to want Joe/Joanna average.
but there again....average size is in the eye of the beholder. I'm the average size american woman size 14/ 16 ...some see me as average ...some see me as fat.
scousedonLiverpool, Cheshire, England UK1,643 posts
scorpiosiren: but they can eat as they like they are doing u no harm so why let it bother u
Oh please, they are doing themselves harm, yes I do care, I have friends that eat far too much rubbish, already admitted I am a smoker and a bit of a hypocrit but they would advise me to stop smoking, fair enough, but both of us are costing the tax payers in UK and Ireland so it should bother all of us, do you not agree?????????
scorpiosiren: but they can eat as they like they are doing u no harm so why let it bother u
The only time it bothers me if when it's someone I love. As I mentioned my friend before. He's VERY obese and yet he still doesnt' do enough to control his diet. And his obesity is due to overeating. It's very tough though. I'm supportive when around him but it pains me to basically watch him kill himself.
Same with my dad....he smokes and I know what smoking leads to..but no one can make him stop smoking...he has to do it on his own.
scousedonLiverpool, Cheshire, England UK1,643 posts
lrrh77: but there again....average size is in the eye of the beholder. I'm the average size american woman size 14/ 16 ...some see me as average ...some see me as fat.
Yes I would say that is average for USA, UK, Canada and Ireland. So guess you not got a problem.
lrrh77: Hi Sarah...I think what Scousedon meant by the tax payers...are those that are obese and in need of medical treatment due to their own obesity and that medical traetment is provided by the taxpayers when they do not have any of their own insurance. Maybe I am wrong..but thats how i took it.
And I do get disgusted then. Just as our tax dollars revive people that suffered injuries due to meth lab explosions or overdosed on an illegal substance. That truely irritates me.
i know wot he meant but our government here takes off the poor n gives to the rich btw my name is berni lol my point is too many people presume people are fat becos they eat too much which is ridiculus while they are themselves doing damage to their bodies be it drinking smoking taking drugs not eating the right foods etc etc etc
Lee464: He's full of sh**...and you're buying it...
Sorry but the truth hurts and you must be looking for some hurt to start a thread like this...so I'll comply.
Under all the psychological bullsh** is our instinct...and our instinct tells us to go for the best possible mother to ensure the survival of our children...that's baseline stuff.
Add to this the fact that men are visual creatures and that's a pretty heavy indicator that physical appearance is a major factor in a mans choice of mate.
So any man who claims to not care about physical appearance is either lying to you or has some sort of psychological issues.
And before the womens brigade comes rushing in...you women are exactly the same...although not as visually stimulated as us men your instinct for safety urges you to seek a physically fit male as the father of your children.Anything else is just crap spewed to make ourselves and others feel better...which is kind of stupid really...when the better solution for all involved is to show some self respect and be healthy.Disclaimer...it must be noted that some people do have genetics that determine their size regardless of life style choices...and in those cases it is still possible to be big and healthy.
Eating disorder...reading disorder...any others you care to mention??
I'm talking about the lazy people...the ones who do have a choice and make the wrong one...
scorpiosiren: i know wot he meant but our government here takes off the poor n gives to the rich btw my name is berni lol my point is too many people presume people are fat becos they eat too much which is ridiculus while they are themselves doing damage to their bodies be it drinking smoking taking drugs not eating the right foods etc etc etc
yea sorry about that...sara was the one that started the forum.
I agree....it is rediculus that people assume lazy and poor diet when they see an overwieght / obese person. as i posted earlier in this thread. In defense of Scousedon he did call himself a hypocrit.
lrrh77: yea sorry about that...sara was the one that started the forum.
I agree....it is rediculus that people assume lazy and poor diet when they see an overwieght / obese person. as i posted earlier in this thread. In defense of Scousedon he did call himself a hypocrit.
scousedonLiverpool, Cheshire, England UK1,643 posts
scorpiosiren: i dont like hypocrites they only see the bad in others
Well that is completely up to you. I see good and bad in others and will not hide from this, I have tried to show you my point of view but yours is entrenched. Fair enough but I am not regretting anything I said as I think I was fair. Please think before posting how fair minded people percieve people who write on here.
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