trish123 Forum Posts (13,724)

RE: God, fact or fiction -The Sequel.

yeah, I wish we could clean out cookies as easily in people as we can on a computer

RE: God, fact or fiction -The Sequel.

Im working on agreeing to disagree personally

I dont think there is so much disagreement on God as such, its more about the theism that people are getting their undies in a twist

RE: God, fact or fiction -The Sequel.

brilliant Conrad


"AND,Religion is for People who FEAR God,Spirituality is for those that have been to Hell and Back."

RE: Unknown gifts

Theres a brilliant book by Lyall Watson called Gifts of Unknown Things its a good read

RE: 1st merry to the MODS!!!

yep - many thanks Mods and at the turning of the year......Merry Christmas

RE: God, fact or fiction -The Sequel.

aww Mindfful sorry for being harsh, I thought that too when I posted it but i do feel compelled to have my say.

I just had a friend visiting, she was brought up a Catholic, as was I, and we were discussing the faith issue - her point was that it is easier to stick with it than to begin to question - I on the other hand have begun the process of questioning (many yrs since in fact) - and I cant turn back now - I have found some pretty worthwhile stuff in my searching.

but clearly, it is a case of to each their own - until people try to be righteous or superior with me and judgmental of my morality or spirituality I am happy to leave the debate alone

RE: God, fact or fiction -The Sequel.

hmmm, thoughtfull and interesting points there Kid

RE: God, fact or fiction -The Sequel.

I prefer my introspection to be led by my own judgments, using as my yardstick people whom I admire - I dont count anyone into that group who relies on mass brainwashing for their morality.

RE: God, fact or fiction -The Sequel.

Some Christian sects still dont celebrate Christmas Princess - I will look into it and find a fuller description.


I wonder how many ps2's will fit into a wooden shoe

RE: God, fact or fiction -The Sequel.

nicely put Conrad

RE: God, fact or fiction -The Sequel.

Thanks Charlos

RE: God, fact or fiction -The Sequel.

erm, I think maybe you mean in your opinion no?

and who says a person is wrong to have a politically based bias toward religion, I for one think this to be an extremely 'healthy' attitude - at the end of the day, most politicians align themselves with one religion or another dont they, to make it seem to the people that they represent similar human traits?

there can be no backtracking on 'the truth' of 'the book' - it either all happened or is all questionable - I think you probably know my opinion. He didnt need to use tactics to make it look heathen for that is what is starting to be exposed about relgion, they are the heathens who long since attempted to outlaw any other way of seeing things - thankfully, the veil is lifting.

I know that a lot of people get a lot of comfort from their faith, faith is an amazing tool for manipulation - beleiving in anything is a great way to sustain it

the tools used by disprovers are not all man made - I know Im no flowerey flirt but I am definitely a woman - unlike within the confines of 'the book' we can nowadays actually stand and be counted. This is a weak argument as all I have to mention is the school of apologetics which is also man made and also flawed.

Why try to disprove faith you ask - I reply that i do not try to disprove faith, I dont have to as it simply exposes itself to any who have the bottle to look - its just that many are kept under the fear and dread aspect (which isnt faith by the way) by variations on the basic theme of Pascals Wager.

The quote below from the letter illustrates some pretty intellectual points I reckon, as did many other aspects of his missive. There are many points ready for discussion in just this one paragraph;

"I also find Christianity to be morally repugnant. The concepts of original sin, depravity, substitutionary forgiveness, intolerance, eternal punishment, and humble worship are all beneath the dignity of intelligent human beings and conflict with the values of kindness and reason. They are barbaric ideas for primitive cultures cowering in fear and ignorance"

RE: Dubious Gifting

good point

i ask when exactly it all came to be about spending money at all - I thought this was a time to rejoice and share that of which you posessed an abundance - traditionally, supplies were running low by mid-winter and the feast was held to celebrate the returning of the lengthening days (longest night) - maybe those ancients had something

RE: What Do You Do?

I have done all sorts - once even worked in a factory sewing heads on teddy bears...... for half a day also did a half day in woolworths many moons since
done voluntarty work, brought up my children, office work......... and now i study - social sciences

RE: Bah, Humbug...or is it?

and it has obviously served you well

RE: Bah, Humbug...or is it?

its special to me too BB - how wonderful to have your birthday on the solstice - I knew you were special from the emotions and realisations which your words convey so eloquently

RE: Bah, Humbug...or is it?

We will soon be past the shortest day and the longest night BB - and so it goes

lovely sentiment as ever to your words

RE: Just something I wrote

yep - with each others help and a bit of time, we do get over it

I totally feel for people going through this kind of thing and often people are blind to the fact that for a person trapped within an abusive relationship, an hour can seem like an etertnity and the few feet to the phone an endless expanse of space and lying there on the ground, amongst the shattered glass and dreams - well, it simply is no joke

RE: Just something I wrote

they just excuse their rage twinkles - usually, the excuse is that you made them act this way - so sad

amazing words there, totally emotive

RE: The Irish

RE: God, fact or fiction -The Sequel.

G'mornin Ray

did you read the bits on truth in that link I sent you yesterday? most enlightening I thought - I loved the bits on deductive reasoning too - alas, I dont have much time today for lengthy posts but I will be lurking around

RE: God, fact or fiction -The Sequel.

keep looking in, the scope for debate here is anything but finite and there are many facets of this debate that we havent even touched on yet

RE: God, fact or fiction -The Sequel.

we are not attacking each other here - we are having friendly, logical debate - :confused.

We (unbelievers) are more than capable of providing our own stage and will do so at every opportunity - just as you also profer your own opinions at every opportunity, no?

What you suggest is tantamount to suppressing reason itself - but hmmmmm - I guess thats the nature of the 'Beast'

Why would you want to shut us up and remove our stage if your foundations are so solid ?

RE: God, fact or fiction -The Sequel.

But, reason, and logic, were divorced from some versions of truth (a bit like carving tunnels into them really) and ultimately this resulted in a structural weakening. Truth is truth and a rock is a rock - but what does a rock become when tunells get bored into it? hmmm, I guess its still a rock - only a weaker one

Time will tell and then we'll see

RE: December 21, 2012

I found this article on a site called 'Survive 2012';


Ethnobotanists and fractal time experts Terrence and Dennis McKenna believe so, and they present their ideas in 'Invisible Landscape: Mind Hallucinogens and the I Ching' (1993).


Their studies began with the I Ching, which is composed of 64 hexagrams, or six-line figures. It struck them that 6 x 64 = 384, which is exceptionally close to the number of days in 13 lunar months (29.5306 x 13 = 383.8978), and that maybe the I Ching was originally an ancient Chinese calendar. Further multiples had astronomical significance:


1 day x 64
x 6
= 384 days
= 13 lunar months

384 days
x 64
= 67 years, 104.25 days
= 6 minor sunspot cycles (11.2 years each)

67 years, 104.25 days
x 64
= 4306+ years
= 2 Zodiacal ages

4306+ years
x 6
= 25836 years
= 1 precession of the equinoxes

RE: God, fact or fiction -The Sequel.

the 'adsolute' truth of this moment in time for me is that I am going to bed - it is 4- 47 am here - speak tomorrow 00ps - 3-47

RE: God, fact or fiction -The Sequel.

yep, Peter aside - truth is the essence of my argument and, I suspect ,Of your own - woohoo - are we really getting somewhere - I must warn yuo though, I have a pretty worthy arsenal when it comes to debating truth

Which are You or are You any of these at all

oh Ken, you touch me deeply with your words - it matters not whether you agree or disagree with any of what i utter (for we are all only tiny parts of the wholeness of this 'thing'), it only matters that you take the time to consider - for this i offer thanks to you

I was reading today of the roots of Ghandis education - maybe in the next day or two I will have learned enough to comment - but maybe not

RE: IS ANYBODY getting fed up of looking for love ?

Hey HJF - great minds think alike or what

RE: IS ANYBODY getting fed up of looking for love ?

I reckon that lookin for love is prone to leading us all down blind alleyways - its lifes great joke - itll happen when the time is right so why worry - every little thing is gonna be alright